[G] Cfestival's Ghost Nuke Push - Page 2

On May 03 2011 04:27 P00RKID wrote:
If anybody ends up getting a longer game with nukes vs tanks please post the replays, those are always entertaining. Does the OP have any good replays where you don't win outright from the rush, but still use nukes in mid or late game?

On May 03 2011 06:45 Kukaracha wrote:
How will this be if Ghosts become 200/100?

On May 03 2011 06:14 noobinator wrote:


I agree with cfestival here. I'll run the bo through the program myself and see what I can do with it.

BETTER BO V4:
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In v4, your expo should start around 6 minutes. Once the Factory finishes, you have enough mins to build another Rax. At 7:30, about the time the nuke (still) finishes, I would suggest building a 3rd Rax or a Starport (I prefer the Starport, because it gets Vikings faster to counter Banshees). Build the other soon after.

Also, the Ghosts finish at about 6 minutes, which gives them ~2 minutes to charge their energy (including nuke production time and time required to land the nuke).

And now for some comparisons with the original, since the time the bo finishes is about the same:

Pros:

Expo comes much faster

2 Hellions are included in the initial push rather than one (the second would be more of a reinforcement though, since it finishes around 7:30)

Cons:

Only one Marine in the inital push (if there are too many Banshees, do as much eco damage as possible and make more Marines back at home out of all Rax)

Will edit if the program comes up with something faster.

EDIT: Doh, I forgot to check off constant SCV production >.>
Oh well, the bo it came up with now manages to sneak a 2nd hellion into the initial attack and constant SCV production at the cost of the Ghosts coming out slightly later.

EDIT 2: I realized the Marine was coming out last on V2. Took me a while to swap unit production and get a reaper out last. You'd think that it wouldn't take that long just to swap unit positions in the bo...

On May 03 2011 07:51 cfestival wrote:


Do you have a replay with these builds? It's a lot easier for me to evaluate them that way.

What's the nuke timing (i see the supply, just wondering the time) on this? it seems a little late on the BO. The nuke timing is important, because if you wait too long, the enemy will have come to your base already, almost no matter his build.

You should be all the way at the enemy's base, ready to nuke, when the nuke is completing, at 7:30, this looks really close....if you have a replay with this, it'd be helpful.

On May 03 2011 07:55 noobinator wrote:

I agree with cfestival here. I'll run the bo through the program myself and see what I can do with it.

BETTER BO V4:
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Thanks for the feedback. The nuke finishes at about 7:30, almost exactly the same timing as before, probably a little earlier.

I'll play a couple of games against an easy AI, but they won't be perfect execution of the bo.

I'll edit this post with the replays later

On May 03 2011 08:07 cfestival wrote:



I just noticed---when is the second barracks built?

I didn't see it in the build order, but it has 2 barracks at the bottom.

On May 03 2011 08:55 Homework wrote:
This build looks strong!
I usually main zerg, but offrace terran sometimes. I'll see what I can do about trying this out on people in the Gold league. XD
We shall see..

On May 03 2011 08:32 noobinator wrote:

I took it out cause I noticed it interfered with the timing a little.

My second replay has better timing, and I could've gotten the nuke dropped way earlier if I noticed how fast it finishes. I almost never play with nukes, so I haven't quite memorized how long it takes to make one.

First Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?87d19qhvj8808ni
Second Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?fldh7o7avhrawnh

On May 03 2011 09:50 cfestival wrote:
I watched the replays, and I like using the barracks before the Ghosts are ready to come out. The 1 barracks part sorta worries me a little though, because if the nuke results in you being ahead only a little bit, and the enemy is able to "fend off" the initial push, then you might fall behind in production for the second wave.

Additionally, the Ghosts are about 30 seconds behind, which results in a few less snipes....however, it hits sooner, so the enemy will have less men also.

This definitely is a good start for opening up the build though.

Have you tried using the build vs anyone yet? I recommend trying out both builds (cause I cant play anymore tonight, I'll try later on this week), and seeing how it fairs... paying attention especially to the transitional portion of it.

On May 03 2011 10:50 noobinator wrote:

Going 1rax allows you to get an expand faster. Maybe I could add bunkers as I'm getting my expo so I can defend if the initial push fails. It should be fairly easy to find out whether or not you'll win the battle anyways, so you can retreat with at least your reapers and hellions. Also, I wouldn't normally favor using the factory much more in this bo, but in the case of failure making more hellions because of the lack of production would be great.

So basically it's either 2nd Rax then expand or expand then 2nd Rax. It's a matter of preference (getting greedy with eco or playing it safe with more production).

Also, the reason I'm trading snipes for time is because of less time for the opponent to react (if they scout what you're doing, ofc), less time for an FE to kick in, and possibly other things I can't think of atm.

I haven't actually played against any real opponents yet, but I'll do it when I get the chance. Anything to make a good nuke rush bo, especially to make TvT less broken/full of unit spamming.

On May 03 2011 23:21 rebotfc wrote:
Do you have any replays vs fast banshees? I'm having quite a bit of trouble as after I bust the wall the opponent has 2 banshees which focus fire the ghost and 2 marines.

On May 04 2011 01:36 Crytch wrote:
I think non-walled early tanks are bane to this build to.
You scan his choke and see some marines / mb with bunker, and a siegetank.

Then you have to place your nuke that the tank cant hit your ghost. He unsieges, go back in his base, the nuke doesnt even kill the bunker cause it doesnt take 100% of the damage, your enemy sieges back and repair his bunker, and you did 0 dmg (and the 2. tank should pop out right now).

If you push in while his tank is still in his base he will just siege where his tank is currently, and his second tank is allrdy sieged anywhere inbase, he counterrepair his tank and you loose all your units.

If you just go back you are technological behind, that your enemy just can go whatever he want.