[Q] Legitimate Uses of Terran Building Armor Upgra

zhengsta

United States126 Posts

April 09 2011 18:03 GMT

Hi All,
I'm wondering if any one actually gets this upgrade. I personally have never found a legitimate use for it, but in theory it could be good against muta harass. Is this the upgrade that changes your bunker look or is that neo steel frame? It always seems that only noobs get that upgrade in team matches. I've never actually seen anyone use it in 1v1 diamond.

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rogzardo

610 Posts

April 09 2011 18:05 GMT

only time i've seen it was with a mass raven strat to make turrets stronger

Mwentworth56

146 Posts

April 09 2011 18:08 GMT

In masters 3300 points last season and when I went mech vs zerg I always got the upgrade and I go mech alot, latly more marine tank but it acually is a really good upgrade to get and i do get it somtimes not going mech and always going mech. I only get it vs zerg though, I will get it vs terran or toss only if I go mass raven which I have only tried once and failed lol.

puissance

97 Posts

April 09 2011 18:09 GMT

It is a decent upgrade if you are going Mech and thus relying on Turrets quite a bit. E.g. It is quite good against BC's and especially good against Carriers (-4 Damage!).
I research it in the lategame after Turret Range. I wonder about the Bunker Slot upgrade though, dont see any use..

Exactable

Australia263 Posts

April 09 2011 18:10 GMT

Can be very useful vs Mutalisk Harass. Also beefs up Planetary Fortresses even more. Useful in TvZ, not so much in the other match ups.

NostalgiaTag

Canada508 Posts

April 09 2011 18:12 GMT

On topic: Bunkers and turrets and PF's are generallly only builds that would benefit much. But really how often is a Planatary attacked by lings...

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PhiliBiRD

United States2643 Posts

April 09 2011 18:13 GMT

if ur going mech, its very useful vs muta ling users, as it helps against both. PF's and bunkers will hold much longer vs lings, and turrets vs mutas. its best to add in extra turrets that way you really dont have to worry about defense, most zergs dont check for armor and attack into them, and lose more than they realize.

TvZ is the only time I get it.

ZeGzoR

Sweden307 Posts

April 09 2011 18:13 GMT

Get it late game vs zerg, helps against a click banes on your expos.

Mod Edit: No it doesn't.

Unwardil

Canada188 Posts

April 09 2011 18:22 GMT

On April 10 2011 03:13 ZeGzoR wrote:
Get it late game vs zerg, helps against a click banes on your expos.

Totally this.

It takes FOREVER for zerglings to kill buildings with armor and combine that with scv repair, it will give you critical seconds for reinforcements to arrive.

Generally I get this upgrade once my bio upgrades are at 3/3 on the basis of, 'why not'. It's late game, my macro isn't perfect, it's not like I'm going to miss that 150/150 when I'm on 4 bases.

EmilA

Denmark4618 Posts

April 09 2011 18:59 GMT

#10

Who the hell fires zerglings at planetaries anyways? Yes, it a +2 armor PF can take down 200+ l0/0 lings as opposed to ~50 if it's being swarmed, but when does this happen anyway?

Just to get one thing straight for the above posters:

Banelings do 80 damage to buildings that is not reduced by armor. I have tested this and it should be obvious as 5 blings take down a depot. Baneling building damage isn't boosted by upgrades nor is it reduced by armor, therefor it will not help.

Bibbit

Canada5377 Posts

April 09 2011 19:04 GMT

#11

There was a time that I would do a super slow push with tanks and bunkers with the armor upgrade and the upgrade that lets you put more guys in there. Its really slow so I only did it on close spots metal/temple or on steppes when that existed but its really bloody hard to kill. Its nice on turrets vs mutas as well.

I also briefly tried out this invincibility tvz inspired from some bw game I watched a long time ago where I slowly max with upgraded mech and build a shitload of turrets so I cant be hit by mutas or nothing. The zerg gets ridiculous economy but the goal was to get such a strong army that it cant be killed by infinite anything. But I didnt play around with that too much, it didnt seem particularly viable.

Unwardil

Canada188 Posts

April 09 2011 19:25 GMT

#12

On April 10 2011 03:59 EmilA wrote:
Who the hell fires zerglings at planetaries anyways? Yes, it a +2 armor PF can take down 200+ l0/0 lings as opposed to ~50 if it's being swarmed, but when does this happen anyway?

Just to get one thing straight for the above posters:

Banelings do 80 damage to buildings that is not reduced by armor. I have tested this and it should be obvious as 5 blings take down a depot. Baneling building damage isn't boosted by upgrades nor is it reduced by armor, therefor it will not help.

I wasn't talking about p-forts, I was talking about those ever annoying zergling run-bys. A barracks with armor can last a good 25% longer with the armor which gives your troops more time to either spawn or just get back to save your base.

Also, it reduces damage from broodlings on planetary forts and missile turrets, letting you keep them alive with only a few scvs, again, to allow your army time to reinforce.

Spreek

United States47 Posts

April 09 2011 19:48 GMT

#13

On April 10 2011 03:13 ZeGzoR wrote:
Get it late game vs zerg, helps against a click banes on your expos.

Actually, I believe banelings ignore building armor against buildings, doing 80 damage no matter what.

pandaminion

United States270 Posts

April 09 2011 20:41 GMT

#14

It's useful in the late game against Brood Lords as well -- on PF's, it reduces Broodling damage significantly, and at the very least gives you more time to send in your Vikings.

Mashes

Canada441 Posts

April 09 2011 20:45 GMT

#15

I remember when steppes was in the map pool, I used to do a siege tank bunker push and I would get building armor. But I haven't used it in ages.

ROOTheognis

United States4482 Posts

April 09 2011 20:46 GMT

#16

Adding +2 building armor is extreeeeeeeeeeeeeemelyyyy good vs Muta + ling due to the rapid rate of fire.

iAmJeffReY

United States4262 Posts

April 09 2011 20:50 GMT

#17

I get it probably 50% of my games. Usually every TvZ game. It stops about all sling harasses (read hinders) and muta harasses. Instead of needing 10 turrets vs 0/2 or 0/1 mutas, you get range upgrade, and armor upgrade, and 3-4 turrets with scvs near can take out quite a few more mutas than they expect.

Not to mention 5 armor PFs is a lot more scary than a 3 armor.

If someone in TvT is playing heavy bio and drops a lot, I get range and armor then too, usually. Just so my PFs out range more than they think, and I can react a bit slower vs a 8/16 marine drop and not lose like my entire base.

Nomadic

United Kingdom312 Posts

April 09 2011 21:08 GMT

#18

its only really worth it in late game vs a ton of mutas, like 20+, otherwise it is too expensive gaswise. I don't think its worth it vs protoss or terran, MAYBE if you go mech but even that is questionable since they aren't usually attacking your turrets. In any case it is primarily a lategame upgrade for planetaries and turrets vs banelings and mutas

The.Doctor

Canada333 Posts

April 09 2011 21:21 GMT

#19

I get it sometimes against z players going mass muta. It helps a LOT against muta ling bane users regardless of what strat you're doing.

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

April 09 2011 21:40 GMT

#20

The armor upgrade negates the mutalisk glave worm bounce so hard, its def worth it in the middle to late game.

Kibibit

United States1551 Posts

April 09 2011 21:48 GMT

#21

On April 10 2011 04:48 Spreek wrote:

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Actually, I believe banelings ignore building armor against buildings, doing 80 damage no matter what.

They don't ignore it so much as it's not a big deal at all. If a unit has 6 armor, i.e. what an Ultralisk has, that takes away 6 damage per hit. For a Zergling, that's massive, dropping them to 1 unupgraded and 2 with max upgrades. For a Baneling, It was tuesday. (it drops it to 74 damage, not as big of a drop off for them)

azn_dude1

162 Posts

April 09 2011 21:52 GMT

#22

It's definitely not an upgrade to rush for, since your ebay could be getting +1 upgrades for bio, which are cheaper and more useful. It's necessary if you're going mass raven, but that's very rare.

CatNzHat

United States1599 Posts

April 09 2011 22:07 GMT

#23

Turret armor is usually the first or second upgrade I get vs a zerg who's going mutas.
I'll normally have my e-bay sitting around for a bit doing nothing if I'm going for a mech focused build (2 fact blue flame expo into 3 fact thor tank into a third with thor tank hellion production)

Turret range is the first upgrade I get, and then building armor is the second, it really helps when you're using an immobile army, and makes PFs 10x stronger vs zerglings (the number of SCVs needed to repair to keep it alive is greatly reduced.)
Turret range messes with the zerg's muta micro, as they're not used to microing vs that extra range on the turrets, and the armor makes it so that late game you can hold off tons more mutas with scvs repairing turrets. (non-upgraded mutas vs non-upgraded turrets with repair, the turrets can hold off ~14 mutas and not die)
With the armor upgrade I believe that number goes up to somewhere around 21 mutas, don't' quote me on that though.

As far as the extra bunker slots upgrade goes... Well I personally find myself using that a lot more vs zerg late game if I'm going biomech.
Infestors with the buff are now super powerful vs bio, so you need to slowly bunker push along with your tanks and turrets. If you've got bunkers set up cutting the map in half it will severly limit the counter attack opportunities of zerg (e.g. close air on metal, push on the lane near your bases, bunker off the far lane)

Saracen

United States5139 Posts

April 09 2011 22:12 GMT

#24

Simple Question Simple Answers.
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