EPTI am a random player so I am wondering what are some good builds for Terran where I can practice a lot of aspects of the game?
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
I am a random player so I am wondering what are some good builds for Terran where I can practice a lot of aspects of the game? | ||
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loving it
Canada271 Posts
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Latedi
Sweden1027 Posts
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Ruyguy
Canada988 Posts
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Zeyhn
Sweden12 Posts
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iChau
United States1210 Posts
I use grid, maybe that's why. 1- army 2- nexus 3- natural nexus 4- warpgates + all other buildings 5- third nexus 6- 4th nexus 7- 5th nexus and on and on I don't know why I did it, but I did it when I first played. I can actually maintain production out of the 2nd and 3rd nexuses all the way to late-game if I feel like it. My macro with nexii is pretty great imo. However, I have a question. Why do people use their nexii on one hotkey? Every time I do this, I kinda screw up because I can't view one nexus and then the other at rapid succession. Also, I cannot see when the probes are going to finish so that I can make the next 2 probes at a near-finish time. Everytime I tap the nexii hotkey when they're in the same one, it just jumps to any nexii it wants and it basically confuses me. Thanks. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On April 04 2011 01:19 infinity21 wrote: Cecil, I have to disagree with your refining builds section since you're more or less equating it to having good mechanics. Refining builds is more than just being able to match a pro's supply at a given time. I'd suggest you read my guide on it (in sig/profile) for some ideas. Will do, thanks for the feedback. Hopefully I can fix whatever you disagree with. Edit: Your guide is more about refining your own builds rather than imitating better players. Although I agree that mimicking a pro's supply is not all there is to refining a build, I tried to make that clear by saying: On April 03 2011 13:13 CecilSunkure wrote: In order to mimic professional players you can't simply place the right buildings when they did; you have to try to understand the decision making and the strategies and reactions that the professional players have. If you can do this then you will save yourself a lot of unnecessary practice and toil, thusly improving your game quickly and efficiently by learning what other far more skilled than you players have already figured out. Perhaps I should just articulate and put more emphasis in my article on my above paragraph? Maybe add in another practical way about achieving this? | ||
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Gomas
Poland312 Posts
 Thanks so much dude, will be of great help for everyone I'm sure. Now off to read some more! | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On April 04 2011 05:13 CecilSunkure wrote: Will do, thanks for the feedback. Hopefully I can fix whatever you disagree with. Edit: Your guide is more about refining your own builds rather than imitating better players. Although I agree that mimicking a pro's supply is not all there is to refining a build, I tried to make that clear by saying: Perhaps I should just articulate and put more emphasis in my article on my above paragraph? Maybe add in another practical way about achieving this? I think both of us could have expanded more about this. For newer players, obviously they can't go out and refine a build into tournament-ready material. They need to copy builds from pros in order to improve the fastest - I definitely agree here. Where I deviate from your reasoning a bit is that I think it's better to just mass games and lose a bunch against players in various fashions in order to figure out the underlying logic or the weaknesses of a build. It's a matter of being consistent with what you expect a player to be able to do. If a player is expected to copy builds from pros, he won't be able to give any proper reasoning behind the various moves that pros make. Heck, they won't even be able to identify what half the moves are because they simply lack the experience. More experienced players will be able to better support their decisions and be able to rationalize the decision making of a better player because they have had the experience to build a working model of how a sc2 game flows in their head. While your exercise of looking at a pro replay and trying to figure out their decision making process can be beneficial for players of a sufficient caliber, I don't think it's as useful to the newbies simply because they benefit more from imitating the build and racking up their exp points. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On April 04 2011 05:41 infinity21 wrote: Where I deviate from your reasoning a bit is that I think it's better to just mass games and lose a bunch against players in various fashions in order to figure out the underlying logic or the weaknesses of a build. It's a matter of being consistent with what you expect a player to be able to do. If a player is expected to copy builds from pros, he won't be able to give any proper reasoning behind the various moves that pros make. Heck, they won't even be able to identify what half the moves are because they simply lack the experience. Yeah you're right. I definitely overlooked the fact that most players don't have the experience to figure out what the pros decision making looks like. I did include this bit in a later part of the guide: On April 03 2011 13:13 CecilSunkure wrote: The next step is to simply make decisions during practice. Not sure if decision X will work? Well, then try it. Not sure if this is a good time to attack? Then attack! Don't know if his army will defeat yours? Attack him! Curious to see how that same battle would have went if you had a better position, or he a worse position? Try it out! The best way to learn to make good decisions is to figure out which ones are bad. I think I see what you're saying. I need to write about going about a trial and error process of figuring out the purpose, strengths, and weaknesses of the builds they are mimicking. Since a lot of new players won't be able to sufficiently understand decision making of professional players, I need to write about how to figure that out on your own. Is that what you are saying? | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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Eleaven
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Thanks cecil for your work and efforts. For a lot of the community this should be very helpful | ||
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
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NoMicroWin
United States688 Posts
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Volka
Argentina411 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On April 04 2011 05:59 infinity21 wrote: something like that Updated! Hope that fixes it up to where it should be. | ||
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
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gongryong
Korea (South)1430 Posts
Halfway through, will be commenting on contents once im done | ||
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tvardary
United States9 Posts
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