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On March 23 2011 02:58 RukKus wrote:This is a very beautiful pressure/harass !!! I am at work and unable to watch those replays, but I would like to know: What ~time typically does the first drop come, and what time after does the push into the Nat come? I'm working out timings in my head, and so far via description can gather the drop comes around 7:00 and the push around 9:00?? A solid opening for Terran sacrificing very little to force the Zerg to do a lot... Low risk, I'd say! 
your fairly correct in your timings the drop actually when done perfect comes at like ~640 especially on close air positions the Thor is Usually knocking on thier front door at about 9 minutes im on a roll with this build today ill add some more reps
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i used it once and failed because it was my first game of the day and my multitasking wasnt up to speed, so i lost some units needlessly, and then i didnt macro. second round though worked great, and his response was mass roach, so i just went mass tank with a few thor/mariners. nomnom tanks vs roaches ^_^
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I'm sorry but this looks the same as a 1/1/1 into mech/bio ball...
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On March 23 2011 05:57 Mad_Mardigon wrote:
I'm sorry but this looks the same as a 1/1/1 into mech/bio ball...
your sorry? what a useless comment, it is a 1/1/1 into biomech build but what your making out of those 1/1/1 structures and doing with them is what the strategy is about and u dont actually have to go bio mech you can go pure mech if you like. i beat skinky and a think a few other players with banshee hellion thor and only a few measely marines not worth mentioning.
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On March 23 2011 06:04 Pookie Monster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 05:57 Mad_Mardigon wrote:
I'm sorry but this looks the same as a 1/1/1 into mech/bio ball... your sorry? what a useless comment, it is a 1/1/1 into biomech build but what your making out of those 1/1/1 structures and doing with them is what the strategy is about and u dont actually have to go bio mech you can go pure mech if you like. i beat skinky and a think a few other players with banshee hellion thor and only a few measely marines not worth mentioning.
My point is that any good(even semi-good) terran player that uses a 1/1/1 build can pull this off if it is a counter to whatever the other player is doing...
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Did we play today on cross metal? some guy did the exact same thing to me.
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On March 23 2011 06:09 Mad_Mardigon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 06:04 Pookie Monster wrote:On March 23 2011 05:57 Mad_Mardigon wrote:
I'm sorry but this looks the same as a 1/1/1 into mech/bio ball... your sorry? what a useless comment, it is a 1/1/1 into biomech build but what your making out of those 1/1/1 structures and doing with them is what the strategy is about and u dont actually have to go bio mech you can go pure mech if you like. i beat skinky and a think a few other players with banshee hellion thor and only a few measely marines not worth mentioning. My point is that any good(even semi-good) terran player that uses a 1/1/1 build can pull this off if it is a counter to whatever the other player is doing...
lol i never said i was the only person who could pull this off, thats the point of sharing the build with TL, are you bored?
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On March 23 2011 06:15 FortuneSyn wrote:
Did we play today on cross metal? some guy did the exact same thing to me.
yes fortune you handled it very well although i panicked with your roach attack and mess up my drop haha im getting my tech lab on my starport faster now so i can pop out a banshee if i need it since i def have the resources for it
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On March 23 2011 06:15 Pookie Monster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 06:09 Mad_Mardigon wrote:On March 23 2011 06:04 Pookie Monster wrote:On March 23 2011 05:57 Mad_Mardigon wrote:
I'm sorry but this looks the same as a 1/1/1 into mech/bio ball... your sorry? what a useless comment, it is a 1/1/1 into biomech build but what your making out of those 1/1/1 structures and doing with them is what the strategy is about and u dont actually have to go bio mech you can go pure mech if you like. i beat skinky and a think a few other players with banshee hellion thor and only a few measely marines not worth mentioning. My point is that any good(even semi-good) terran player that uses a 1/1/1 build can pull this off if it is a counter to whatever the other player is doing... lol i never said i was the only person who could pull this off, thats the point of sharing the build with TL, are you bored?
yeah jus a bit, i just don't feel its necessary to share builds that require fairly decent micro, and macro with lower level players, as they will most likely be unable to pull it off untill they learn the more common builds such as 2rax 1fact, or 3rax expo...
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Haven't watched the reps, just doing dry feeling runs with it. WHen do you get 2nd gas?
edit -- why in the world would you get mad at someone posting a strategy thats not for everyone? Someone can't post a micro intensive strategy for people of higher caliber skill?
Weird. I didn't think TL was to be noob friendly 100%
Double edit -- TL needs more stuff like this, a flowing harassing transition instead of
GET TANKS THORS HELLIONS PFS ANS BCS OFF 4 BASES K
Need more opening gambits, and less 'end game' composition strategies. Just my two cents.
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Thank you for the build, my TvZ has been on fire since I started using it...now if only I could figure out TvP I could be up at 3500 =/.
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This is very similar to what I typically do. However, I usually send in 4 marines + 2 hellions instead. 4 marines with medivac support will own the queen, and i try to keep the hellions on the drones or in the back to help with lings.
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On March 23 2011 06:20 Mad_Mardigon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 06:15 Pookie Monster wrote:On March 23 2011 06:09 Mad_Mardigon wrote:On March 23 2011 06:04 Pookie Monster wrote:On March 23 2011 05:57 Mad_Mardigon wrote:
I'm sorry but this looks the same as a 1/1/1 into mech/bio ball... your sorry? what a useless comment, it is a 1/1/1 into biomech build but what your making out of those 1/1/1 structures and doing with them is what the strategy is about and u dont actually have to go bio mech you can go pure mech if you like. i beat skinky and a think a few other players with banshee hellion thor and only a few measely marines not worth mentioning. My point is that any good(even semi-good) terran player that uses a 1/1/1 build can pull this off if it is a counter to whatever the other player is doing... lol i never said i was the only person who could pull this off, thats the point of sharing the build with TL, are you bored? yeah jus a bit, i just don't feel its necessary to share builds that require fairly decent micro, and macro with lower level players, as they will most likely be unable to pull it off untill they learn the more common builds such as 2rax 1fact, or 3rax expo...
What are you on about man :S None of the posts you've made in this thread have made any sense. Are you saying only low level players come here to read? I'm 3900 and I definitely find this new harassment option interesting.
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On March 23 2011 06:21 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Haven't watched the reps, just doing dry feeling runs with it. WHen do you get 2nd gas?
edit -- why in the world would you get mad at someone posting a strategy thats not for everyone? Someone can't post a micro intensive strategy for people of higher caliber skill?
Weird. I didn't think TL was to be noob friendly 100%
Double edit -- TL needs more stuff like this, a flowing harassing transition instead of
GET TANKS THORS HELLIONS PFS ANS BCS OFF 4 BASES K
Need more opening gambits, and less 'end game' composition strategies. Just my two cents.
i get the second gas at i think 27 supply its right after my third depo i believe
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This is such a finese based build Iove it, 4-0 today. The trick is really in the wearing down the ling numbers, with your first hellion scout if u can get 2-4 thats awesome and then with your drop if you can pick off an ovie here a few lings here, divide and conquer. It really preys on how zergs tend to spread out their ovies.
Then when the repair thors come in having a medivac with that is super helpful because it heals the repair scvs if they decide to go for those first and being able to save your thor and repair for the next wave of thors makes the follow up attack SO deadly, the thor numbers just keep increasing and if they forget about your poke drop ship they lose their main base queen/drones.
Very micro intensive for both sides and I imagine it really screws up the zergs macro (forgetting to inject etc).
Then just in case they havnt cried enough, the banshee comes in right after, its such an amazing combo of punches.
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I did it and as I did the thor drop + marine hellion drop I made a viking instead of a banshee and sniped 2 ols, 2 queens, and about 7 drones.
Lost? 2 marines.
Very strong harass with that thor. They pack such a dirty hit.
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I am a pretty unexperienced player, but you stated that for some early roach pressure you just need some marines and a bunker. Normaly i fail in that situation. In my case a bunker is not always enough for roaches.
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On March 23 2011 08:05 WizardofGGG wrote:
I am a pretty unexperienced player, but you stated that for some early roach pressure you just need some marines and a bunker. Normaly i fail in that situation. In my case a bunker is not always enough for roaches.
All you need is a little advanced warning to pull scvs to repair. Try to be map aware, but if nothing else, leave a marine or scv out by your nat to give you enough time to pull 3-6 scvs to the bunker. That should send the roaches packing.
If one bunker isnt enough, look into your placement, but if the enemy is getting A LOT of roaches and you have a wide ramp, its probably worth it to get another bunker. Whatever keeps you from dying until you get to the banshee part of the build.
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On March 23 2011 08:05 WizardofGGG wrote:
I am a pretty unexperienced player, but you stated that for some early roach pressure you just need some marines and a bunker. Normaly i fail in that situation. In my case a bunker is not always enough for roaches.
are you talking about one base roach? this build is for an expanding zerg, if i scouted no expo and a roach warren i can assure you i would be doing something much different than this
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On March 23 2011 07:54 iAmJeffReY wrote:
I did it and as I did the thor drop + marine hellion drop I made a viking instead of a banshee and sniped 2 ols, 2 queens, and about 7 drones.
Lost? 2 marines.
Very strong harass with that thor. They pack such a dirty hit.
yeah in one of my replays i made a viking too sniping olords is fun
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