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On February 27 2012 09:31 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
As a T, I read many guides telling T to banshee harass P. I know this is strong and can contain the P, however what if the P simply makes observers? (Assuming I am cloaked banshees). I dont mean observers with the P's main army, but what if they ake observers and send them to the edge of the map, where my cloaked banshees park when not harassing his base? This way, he will know my banshee is there?

On February 23 2012 16:13 Vod.kaholic wrote:


Here's the thing about cloak banshees (from a protoss perspective, and in general): The banshees with cloak will require protoss to keep 1-2 observers around at least in order to deflect harass, or invest in cannons. This means he also can't move out without obs. Now, since he has to produce anywhere between 1-3 obs to be as safe as possible, that means he's not making colossi or immortals from his robo, and generally makes a good amount of stalkers.

First of all, cloak banshees aren't meant to do infinite damage - they have the potential against an unprepared opponent, but you should never rely on that. Your goal is map control. It doesn't matter if he knows exactly where the banshee is at all times because you'll still force him to make observers, micro them to look for banshees instead of scouting your army movements, and he'll have to split his forces to counter your harass, which buys you time to do whatever you want. The added bonus is that he can't afford to move out on the map without an observer, and if he splits any forces without an obs, the banshee(s) can put a timer on his attack and shut it down.

tl;dr: it doesn't matter if he sees the banshees. They're still going to buy you map control as long as you keep them active and don't lose them. Cloak amplifies this effect by forcing obs and occupying robo time.

On February 27 2012 10:48 InfernoStarcraft wrote:
So I guess mine is a bit of a tip or something that doesn't really deserve a thread, but I never seem to see any pros or anything doing this sooooo

Do people not know that you can focus fire a target and then a-move in any direction so that your units will auto attack anything with threat?

Example: you send marines to kill rocks, you a-click anywhere, zerglings run up to kill marines, marines kill zerglings instead of just dying.

I see even pro players often lose units that are focus firing a specific target and its often to a smaller force, so i thought this would be worth mentioning if it's not widely known.

Also note after units kill the target they carry out the a-move, so don't click somewhere stupid.

On February 27 2012 13:10 IronOutlaw wrote:
Who is a good Protoss player to watch with a Gateway unit heavy playing style?

On February 27 2012 06:38 TheEconomist wrote:
My question is this
How would you rate the levels of mistakes tou are allowed to make in each division?

Obviously GM is little to no mistakes, but how does it scale down?
GM is top 200
Masters is top 2%
Diamond is top 20% (exclusing masters)
Plat is next 20%
gold is next 20%
Silver is second last 20%
bronze is bottom 20%

Please. Someone? Getting kinda down about laddering atm losing to things where control is an issue.

On February 27 2012 15:53 TheEconomist wrote:
^Close the patrol loop.

I.E make sure the last patrol point is on the 1st. Or at least thats what I was told in 1000tips.

Also if anyone feels like answering my question on the previous page, I would be greatful. The attempt actually avoided the asnwer, coz if you think about it, those who cheese to GM are already making less mistakes than the other player to win.

On February 27 2012 10:48 InfernoStarcraft wrote:
So I guess mine is a bit of a tip or something that doesn't really deserve a thread, but I never seem to see any pros or anything doing this sooooo

Do people not know that you can focus fire a target and then a-move in any direction so that your units will auto attack anything with threat?

Example: you send marines to kill rocks, you a-click anywhere, zerglings run up to kill marines, marines kill zerglings instead of just dying.

I see even pro players often lose units that are focus firing a specific target and its often to a smaller force, so i thought this would be worth mentioning if it's not widely known.

Also note after units kill the target they carry out the a-move, so don't click somewhere stupid.

On February 27 2012 17:04 Angel_ wrote:


this might be kind of annoying as a question but, can you qualify "mistakes"?

it's sort of a vague idea the way you're saying it. floating 3k minerals is a mistake. but it's a lot more of a mistake than floating 1.2k. but they're both really bad depending on where you are in the game. attacking into siege lines is a mistake, attacking into a few siege tanks with a few unsieged because he's moving and barely not having enough is a mistake, but a lot less of a mistake. overall though there isn't a clear # of things you can fuck up and be okay.

similarly there are definitely clear mistakes you can make that WILL lose you a game, but it also doesnt mean it was the only mistake. for example you might point at an engagement as the reason you lost. the engagement went terribly, the other person countered and you died. in reality you were macro-ing terrible and you would have been way ahead and that battle never needed to happen in the first place, or you reacted to something right or wrong in the early game and didn't follow through correctly and the entire game could have gone differently.

also, i don't know how you (not you you) really explain "bad macro" as a mistake, but it is something that has a lot more impact on your ranking than just "how many mistakes you make", unless, again, "how you macro" is on some sort of scale of how many mistakes you make.

On February 27 2012 17:25 TheEconomist wrote:


Bad macro is a series of mistakes, not just one. Yes, at the end of the day, bad macro is why you lost, but as people have agreed upon, bad macro is probably the worst single reason given to a player who is trying to learn.

Yes, floating 3k minerals is a worse mistake than 1 k minerals, unless so happens, you are zerg on 130/200 floating 5k 2.5k and go 15 broodlords (Still not entirely sure how I lost that one that badly... ). Placing a robo bay 30 seconds late is a mistake, 2 minutes late a bigger one, forgetting it entirely a massive one. That kind of scale.

For example. a 4 gate hits at 5:45. If you are making ur 1st round of warp ins at 6 minutes, you are slow |(but ironically enough still diamond level). Most 5:45 4 gates are at master level iirc, where some of the GM's, with perfect pairing and what-not get 5:35 4 gates off a 12 gate, or really close to it (seen it once :O ).