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pretty sure you can still learn a ton from day9 even in masters lol... I am and do
the only way to improve something with this many different aspects is to pick 2 or 3 things per game day and try and improve them by a bit, you cant focus on improving 20 things at once, so pick a few and try and think about them more, thats all
also, even the few dailys that I cant learn much from (ie tvp or something) I watch for the humor, Sean is a very solid comic in his own way and I consider his web show the best piece of "tv" I watch every week, im sure a lot of people watch just for the lols
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I think it comes down to your fundamentals to be honest: macro, micro, and MULTITASKING! All three are molded through practice which is why practicing a lot is so important.
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I have some StC's POV vods from Xelp's stream that I downloaded before they are taken down. I improve my play a lot from watching him. Of course these vods will be old in 2 weeks 1 month since the game is changing so much, but the basic macro, micro management from him is still awesome. Watching pro's POV make you feel the urge of micmic him.
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On January 25 2011 03:42 Sheth wrote:
You watch your own replays alot. You watch other players replays alot. You talk about the game with friends. You theory craft and figure out which build orders are stronger. You listen to shoutcasts and try and THINK about whether they are right or wrong. You play 100000 ladder games, and 1000 custom games. You discuss every single 1000 custom games with whoever you were playing with. You rage quit and hate life for a bit, but come back with new ideas. At least thats what I do ^_^
Quite honestly, that's as true as it gets. This is living the game :D.
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On January 24 2011 13:36 rbkl wrote:
I find that if you start a practice group it usually helps. Find a few guys on ladder that are around your skill. Discuss strats, play custom games, work on specific things that you want to improve on.
Any practice groups avalible for me to join? I've perused the prac partner thread numerous times, but its hard to find partners that always want to play / hard to find them 1 by 1. I'm ~3500, pm me if anyone wants to prac sometime?
on topic: Practice a lot, watch replays and focus on the mechanics of your play (always larvae injecting / muling / chronoboost, always making workers, etc.)
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On January 24 2011 14:02 vnlegend wrote:
day9 probably can't even get into master league. I don't see how he can help.
Anyway, watch Trump's stream. He has a good mentality where he tries to make small adjustments to counter things he loses to. Also he stays calm and doesn't rage and play on tilt.
Among other things, watch replays and learn the timings for stuff. Small clues and timing knowledge can get you a good idea of what the other guy is doing.
I guess top 200 isn't enough to get into masters anymore =(
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 25 2011 17:28 DaemonX wrote:
Wow you guys sound pretty silly about Day9. The guy plays hundreds of games most weeks, as random, as well as team games. He has been watching, competing in and commentating on pro level tournaments for nearly ten years, and has an amazing game knowledge of SC2. And yes, he is in Master's league, on more than one account, on more than one region. You're talking about a multiple-time WCG winner and finalist; the guy is a league of gamer that noone posting in this thread thus far can really hope to compare themselves to. Just because he's humble as all heck you mopes don't know who you're talking about.
Anyway, about the dailies being useful? I think you got it backwards. His stuff about generalised ideas such as game-plans are not for lower levels, they are only really change things for you in the upper echelons of play.
Low diamond players need to work on their mechanics and macro more than anything else to improve. But if you're a diamond or master trying to bust into the gosu level, an idea like a game-plan will help you to do that.
If you really don't find his advice helpful, good for you, but show some respect and if nothing else - watch his series on learning to analyse your replays for critical breakpoints. That's how can always get better.
Agree with all of this, although I don't really know much about his play schedule.
I used to watch and hope for something that was black and white in his dailies. Oh, if I just go MMM I can beat this or if I add hellions that'll help some. At this point in my play, sure it's cool if he does something like that cause it's just one more idea to add in. Except I've got practice partners and people that I play who I can work out builds and unit comps with as well as online strats.
I feel that it's just as much the little things he brings up in his dailies as it is the big overarching view. That while I don't brood over them like I do the important ideas it's what seeps into my mind when I play. I realize why a player would do this or that, and wow this is what he was talking about. The generalizations as well, a gold player won't be able to take nearly as much of an advantage of aiming for 4 factories in the mid game as a diamond or master league player. He also most likely won't fully understand why either.
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The way I try to improve is to analyze my weaknesses. The best way to do this imo is to watch replays of games you have lost. Then, as you watch the replay, you should be able to tell at the exact moment you basically lost (before you actually lost). You need to then think to yourself, what led to this point where you lost. Was it a single mistake, or was it a bunch of failed or missed opportunities. In most games, things are really even and it comes down to who makes more mistakes. Then the next time you play a game with a similar situation, you need to remember what you saw in past games that cost you the game and not make that mistake again.
I am only a 2900+ masters, so this is just my opinion. I feel like I have improved my game a lot by not making mistakes that I used to make just by watching my replays.
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Watch replays and games so you see how the high level players do everything. And then the next time you watch one of your replay's you'll be able to recognize what you did wrong and what you could have done better. Also, I feel that a master level player such as yourself would benefit the most from even one practice with a pro-gamer. Sometimes people plateau because they don't actually know all of the mistakes or ways to improve until a higher level player points it out. If you don't have money, you can watch pros giving lessons, or just watch their stream in general.
And like people have already said, practice. Find a group of people to play with, and approach the games in a different way. Don't play 100% to win, change the balance to playing to learn and improve, and less about winning.
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I am masters player with 60% winrate and Day9 is the best place to progress. Still learning from Sean and learning a lot 
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On January 24 2011 14:02 vnlegend wrote:
day9 probably can't even get into master league. I don't see how he can help.
Anyway, watch Trump's stream. He has a good mentality where he tries to make small adjustments to counter things he loses to. Also he stays calm and doesn't rage and play on tilt.
Among other things, watch replays and learn the timings for stuff. Small clues and timing knowledge can get you a good idea of what the other guy is doing.
I have never laughed so hard at anything on this site
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On January 24 2011 14:02 vnlegend wrote:
day9 probably can't even get into master league. I don't see how he can help.
Anyway, watch Trump's stream. He has a good mentality where he tries to make small adjustments to counter things he loses to. Also he stays calm and doesn't rage and play on tilt.
Among other things, watch replays and learn the timings for stuff. Small clues and timing knowledge can get you a good idea of what the other guy is doing.
Uhh . . . Day9 has a much much better understanding of the game than Trump and is much better at the game . . . being you know . . . three time WCG finalist for BW and a high level random master league player (I wonder how he got into that one) .
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I would strongly recommend Adebisi Starcraft - I feel that he is much more measured and intelligent than any other Terran streamer that I have watched. Even if you are reasonably high in masters I think that when listening to other high level Terrans you can often pick up little gems of information or new insights that you would not have been exposed to if you simply continued to approach Terran from just your own experience / perspective.
Check out Adebisi's TL channel here
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Figure out what you are doing wrong and stop doing it.
To be more specific:
I'm still working on keeping all my hatches injected all of the time.
I still work on keeping the map scouted and his base scouted at the correct times
Using keybinds with my army more effectively/actually using keybinds for my army/when I do keybind, always add new units to the group
Generally increasing my useful apm.
And I suppose the most important thing of all is to consistently watch pro players to keep up with the current metagame/strategies (because I'd rather spend 20 minutes watching how a pro reacts to a certain unit composition, then me losing to it in a ladder game, raging, watching the replay then learning how to counter it)
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