• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:18
CET 18:18
KST 02:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !9Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum PC Games Sales Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1706 users

[G] How to stop a 4 gate as Zerg - Page 4

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
sick_transit
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States195 Posts
April 09 2011 20:00 GMT
#61
1. What's the significance of 10 gateway vs. 13 gateway? Why does a protoss pick one or the other and what does it specifically tell you?

2. What's the interaction of a gas steal by zerg with a 4 gate? It seems intuitive that it would make a sentry composition less likely and also maybe provoke the 4 gate by denying some other 1-base tech play. But my intuitions are based on some pretty low-level play.

Great topic.
War is a drug.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12621 Posts
May 18 2011 12:02 GMT
#62
Managed to hold a fewfour gate, I am at high silver in SEA server, so you can choose to ignore this.

For any bronze/silver/gold who have scouted the 4 gate when the gates only starting to construct, pump 2 or 3 more drones and begin getting roach.
then immediately get spines and some lings, preferably around 12 lings.

Get 6 lings to move out and scout where he put the pylon.
snipe it down while you use your queen, the other lings and roach defending

Depending how well you have defended, sent some of your ling and see how big his army is at his front. If not too big, get 2 or 3 more drones and the rest goes for army.

I like getting quite a large number of lings because they are useful to counter attack and sniping the proxy pylons.

Remember to tech up, you MUST tech up (not too sure when I do it through).
Protoss like to mix in DT in the 3rd push, without detection, this will cost you the whole game.

the strongest pushes are only the 1st and 2nd, 3rd will always be mixed with some nasty units like DT and Void rays.
but at that time, you should have a much better worker counts, you can afford to put more spine and spore.

Be careful where you fight as well, if you see he get one sentry, he will most likely FF your ramp.
this is why I like keeping some lings outside the base, for a better surround and also sniping sentries off.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
May 18 2011 12:14 GMT
#63
On May 18 2011 21:02 ETisME wrote:
Managed to hold a fewfour gate, I am at high silver in SEA server, so you can choose to ignore this.

For any bronze/silver/gold who have scouted the 4 gate when the gates only starting to construct, pump 2 or 3 more drones and begin getting roach.
then immediately get spines and some lings, preferably around 12 lings.

Get 6 lings to move out and scout where he put the pylon.
snipe it down while you use your queen, the other lings and roach defending

Depending how well you have defended, sent some of your ling and see how big his army is at his front. If not too big, get 2 or 3 more drones and the rest goes for army.

I like getting quite a large number of lings because they are useful to counter attack and sniping the proxy pylons.

Remember to tech up, you MUST tech up (not too sure when I do it through).
Protoss like to mix in DT in the 3rd push, without detection, this will cost you the whole game.

the strongest pushes are only the 1st and 2nd, 3rd will always be mixed with some nasty units like DT and Void rays.
but at that time, you should have a much better worker counts, you can afford to put more spine and spore.

Be careful where you fight as well, if you see he get one sentry, he will most likely FF your ramp.
this is why I like keeping some lings outside the base, for a better surround and also sniping sentries off.


The 4 gate is MUCH weaker than it was now though remember, when this post was made, the 4 gate was very strong.
Luppa <3
lucasesper
Profile Joined June 2010
Brazil181 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 12:35:08
May 18 2011 12:34 GMT
#64
EDIT: Nevermind, I am an idiot.
impirion
Profile Joined October 2010
124 Posts
May 18 2011 14:08 GMT
#65
On May 18 2011 21:02 ETisME wrote:
Managed to hold a fewfour gate, I am at high silver in SEA server, so you can choose to ignore this.

For any bronze/silver/gold who have scouted the 4 gate when the gates only starting to construct, pump 2 or 3 more drones and begin getting roach.
then immediately get spines and some lings, preferably around 12 lings.

Get 6 lings to move out and scout where he put the pylon.
snipe it down while you use your queen, the other lings and roach defending

Depending how well you have defended, sent some of your ling and see how big his army is at his front. If not too big, get 2 or 3 more drones and the rest goes for army.

I like getting quite a large number of lings because they are useful to counter attack and sniping the proxy pylons.

Remember to tech up, you MUST tech up (not too sure when I do it through).
Protoss like to mix in DT in the 3rd push, without detection, this will cost you the whole game.

the strongest pushes are only the 1st and 2nd, 3rd will always be mixed with some nasty units like DT and Void rays.
but at that time, you should have a much better worker counts, you can afford to put more spine and spore.

Be careful where you fight as well, if you see he get one sentry, he will most likely FF your ramp.
this is why I like keeping some lings outside the base, for a better surround and also sniping sentries off.



If he's getting Dts and Void Rays, then you should have won already . A 4 gate, if executed properly should not have any minerals with which to tech up with, so in fact teching is a bad idea, since he *should* be using all his money to make units, and if you are teching, you are going to fall behind on army.
MidgetHumper
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom280 Posts
July 13 2011 23:27 GMT
#66
The timings section of this post are now wrong due to the warpgate nerf. If only there had been some warning.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284255#1
Prev 1 2 3 4 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:55
FSL teamleague FINALS ASHvsPTB
Freeedom14
Liquipedia
SC Evo League
12:30
#18
LiquipediaDiscussion
WardiTV 2025
11:00
Playoffs
Solar vs herOLIVE!
Classic vs TBD
TBD vs Clem
WardiTV1692
ComeBackTV 1608
TaKeTV 602
IndyStarCraft 303
Rex175
CosmosSc2 104
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 303
Rex 175
ProTech129
CosmosSc2 104
BRAT_OK 59
Vindicta 10
DivinesiaTV 8
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1289
EffOrt 1059
Stork 745
ggaemo 461
Shuttle 355
Leta 278
firebathero 194
Hyuk 146
Last 138
Larva 81
[ Show more ]
ajuk12(nOOB) 48
Shinee 41
Mong 32
Yoon 24
yabsab 23
Terrorterran 17
SilentControl 7
EG.Machine 2
Stormgate
BeoMulf167
Dota 2
Gorgc5673
singsing3681
qojqva2804
syndereN366
XcaliburYe159
LuMiX1
League of Legends
rGuardiaN95
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor526
Liquid`Hasu366
Trikslyr71
Other Games
Beastyqt729
B2W.Neo677
FrodaN595
Lowko433
crisheroes241
Liquid`VortiX145
XaKoH 135
Fuzer 92
QueenE88
KnowMe77
Organizations
Other Games
PGL1176
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• C_a_k_e 2165
• HeavenSC 13
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach13
• blackmanpl 8
• Michael_bg 2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV586
League of Legends
• Nemesis3489
Upcoming Events
Ladder Legends
1h 42m
BSL 21
2h 42m
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
16h 42m
Ladder Legends
23h 42m
BSL 21
1d 2h
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 15h
Wardi Open
1d 18h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 23h
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.