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InsertUsername
12 Posts
I got a replay. It's on Xel'naga Caverns. I am zerg and I am playing a Protoss who goes Dark Templar. Could you take a look at it and see what I should improve on? I think I got a bit behind when he walled me in with cannons, but I am not sure how behind I was. Then he hit me with Dark Templar harassment, but I killed them, but they did a lot of damage to my economy so I couldnt keep up with him. http://www.mediafire.com/?u7vuaqllp5v3aq9 | ||
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DiracMonopole
United States1555 Posts
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TSM
Great Britain584 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:16 DiracMonopole wrote: Once dts get into your base, if you dont have detection, you are pretty much screwed. thats why hes making a thread.... put a spore in the mineral with two spines also get overseers ASAP. remember overseer with army dts still do damage. | ||
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bri9and
United States246 Posts
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DiracMonopole
United States1555 Posts
Put combat units around, so the dts aggro onto them (they will need to be microed to hit workers), and dance them. Putting down a spore crawler and 2 spines at every mineral line is wasteful. | ||
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ibreakurface
United States664 Posts
Try and think of the most cost effective defense you are comfortable with. I usually but a spore or 2 at the neck of my nat so he can't just run them in, and get 1-2 overseers in case he tries something sneaky. Don't over do it, overseers and spores are expensive. | ||
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Deleted User 109835
629 Posts
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Apexplayer
United States406 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:40 Vezex wrote: just make an overseer as soon as your lair is done just do it seriously if your lair isn't up by the time DT's get there then that is another problem EDIT: thats sounds kind of mean, but its just a good thing to do against any race :D no, its fine, and its bad if someone has that much of a problem, especially when they are zerg and need literally 1 tech + no buildings to get mobile, fast, detection. | ||
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thesmoosh
113 Posts
I don't have SCII on this computer but I'll check it out when I get home if you haven't gotten good responses. The main thing is scouting and spotting the tech. Look up the toss DT build orders so you can be familiar enough with them to recognize when they're coming. Generally you get both gas early and go 1 gate/cyber > council > shrine > 2 more gates. You can expect DT's around 7-8 minute mark. Obviously cannon rush delays that a bit, but it's still a good timing to keep in mind. | ||
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denzelz
United States604 Posts
Therefore, for all these reasons, you lost because you got cannoned in and your macro and game decision sucked. It didn't matter what the Protoss did next, you were done no matter what tech choices the Protoss made. So the title of this thread should be, how to avoid being walled in by the Protoss. Seriously, had you played a normal game with an expansion, you would have gotten a Lair and an Overseer on time to deal with DTs. | ||
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
The wall off is kind of your cue to expo and out-macro the shit out of him. You should be able to get a Lair before he pushes out with his tech. And after you hold, you can move out and just kill him. Your opponent isn't going to have a very large army if he's teching. It's going to be important to sac and Overlord and figure out what your opponent is teching to. | ||
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denzelz
United States604 Posts
On December 21 2010 03:04 Battousai13 wrote: Players that wall off like that are almost certainly teching. It's going to be Voidrays or DTs. The wall off is kind of your cue to expo and out-macro the shit out of him. You should be able to get a Lair before he pushes out with his tech. And after you hold, you can move out and just kill him. Your opponent isn't going to have a very large army if he's teching. It's going to be important to sac and Overlord and figure out what your opponent is teching to. You don't know shit. Watch the actual replay before you spew shit out of your ass. User was warned for this post | ||
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bobucles
410 Posts
Practice spending ALL your minerals and gas. You will get things done in half the time. Spam the shit out of drones/SCV/probes, this applies to playing any race. Don't sit on larva, make them into something RIGHT AWAY. Don't queue units up. EVER. Four queued queens is 450 minerals that are wasting around doing nothing. That is enough minerals to build another hatchery or a small army. If you have enough resources to queue units, then you didn't have enough production structures ready. Get more production next game. | ||
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Alphasquad
Austria505 Posts
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Xylarthen
United States137 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:40 Vezex wrote: just make an overseer as soon as your lair is done just do it seriously Honestly, in any game where I grab a quick Overseer shortly after Lair-tech, I've never had a problem with either Cloaked Banshees or DT's (go figure). It usually turns into a situation where the tricky play they were going for blows up in their face. The 100 Gas cost is not all that much (2 Hydras, 1 Muta or your Infestation Pit) and makes sense not as a precaution, but because the unit has other uses besides helping to shut down strategies that severely hurt you. The only time I wait to get one is if I am building a Spire, then its simply Spire first, and an Overseer when the Spire is building. In Regards to the replay, On December 21 2010 03:01 denzelz wrote: you were done no matter what tech choices the Protoss made. So the title of this thread should be, how to avoid being walled in by the Protoss True. Granted, if he had detection, I doubt a victory could have been had, but he wouldn't have been killed by DT's, causing the confusion and subsequent creation of this thread. Several people have mentioned the 1 Spore, 2 Spine at each base theory, and while I am in love with Zerg "Static" defenses, (They can move) once you hit 2-3 bases, that very much becomes too expensive in drone loss (IMO) and even building cost when compared to an Overseer for each Base/Hatch. If you have Overseers at your ramps with your armies, you aren't gonna have DT's just walking into your base, and you should be able to spot a drop/warp in (both less likely) due to Overlord placement in time to fly your Overseer to your line with some troops. Additionally, an Overseer prevents Observers from camping in your base out of the range of the 1 spore in your mineral line. | ||
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Umpteen
United Kingdom1570 Posts
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Unveiler
34 Posts
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milkii
18 Posts
you where killed by your own play, the toss only took a bit to do something. and i really mean something, the dt´s could have been a 4 gate a expo just mass zelot or anything. what i would do is 1. better ovi positioning (but that´s just not soo important for your level of skill) 2. IMPORTANT!!!: get a build order tester and work on one base taktiks! so the next time your trapped in your own base you can easy switch to such a build and own him most of the time becouse cheese is most of times expensive and you will almost always have more of anything than him (i would probably mass roaches and try to kill him and if it fails place a expension) you lost to the thing that you aren´t able to play a one base build! the only good thing i saw after you get walled was your in base hatch but it was too late for your overminerals so try to work on one base build´s to be able to do something the next time Edit: you can easy kill such cannons with a spinecrawler from the high ground without getting a hit from the cannons at all | ||
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