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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
the only reason they are not used currently to their full extent is because it is not currently in fashion. You only see it few and far between but I believe it will be essential in a few months to a year. Someone super famous needs to use em to great success in GSL before EVERY terran will start using them. 100 gas is nothing in mid to late game. It will be ESSENTIAL as people start to exploit the immobility of terran in the future. | ||
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Niguana
United States36 Posts
On November 28 2010 00:09 bobucles wrote: Is 100 gas really THAT expensive? It just seems odd to see a good drop kill 5-15 workers, maybe wipe out an expansion every now and then, only to complain that catching it in advance would have been TOO expensive. It's an instant xel-naga for 125/100, and we know how important those are. Early-Mid game it is. There is no reason at all to not get them when you have your main and natural saturated with 20+ workers and are preparing for a third, but any earlier than that and it's cutting into your unit count. You can easily, as others said, get the same amount done with a few SCV's at Towers or in pivotal parts of the map. When you start to hit late game is when you throw down sensor towers and when it becomes crucial, especially against mobile Zerg Muta armies or creeped up Roach armies. | ||
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ducis
Canada96 Posts
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Niguana
United States36 Posts
On November 28 2010 01:48 ducis wrote: i just forget about them, no excuse. As someone else said, it's just a simple fact of not many high players utilizing them. It's a FOTM kind of deal. I guarantee if SlayerSBoxer made a sensor tower in every game he played in the GSL for a few games, everybody in ladder will start inevitably using it and it will be the cool new revolutionary T building. | ||
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uAir
United States41 Posts
Beyond that though I find no real use for them. If harass is going to happen and you don't have units to defend then you don't have units to defend. A sensor tower isn't going to change that. You're often better off getting a viking and having it sit outside on a probable intercept point with an incoming drop or something, at least you'll take out a dropship or two that way. Or if it's mutas, at least you have something there to shoot back. Sensor tower in TvT does the trick for me though as I'm usually concentrating all of my forces against all of their forces and ends in a standstill of tanks pointing cannons at each other and marines loitering around keeping an eye out for banshees and vikings poking in. In that case, sensor tower = easy alert so I can cut down on the number of marines I spread around my tank/turret line if it's of any help to me. And more often than not, three sensor towers will fully encapsulate your tank line or even the whole map so the enemy can't make any kind of drop or surprise advance or troop movement without you knowing about it and moving your tanks into position as early as possible. Also cuts down on the number of scans you waste. I suggested a chance to which they make the tower detectors. ONLY WHILE the cloaked unit is moving though. Once the cloaked unit stops the tower no longer picks it up and only detects it again when it is moving. So if they see a stray red dot moving in from the side they still have to scan it to see what it is. And it does not reveal cloaked units. It only reveals cloaked units moving on the map. ie, you'll see the little red mark of where the unit is but as soon as it stops it disappears. Even when in range of your other unit's vision. A scan is still needed to know what is there, simply having the tower only tells you when something is moving there. If an observer stops cold you lose sight of it completely until a detector comes over or you scan. If they made this change I think sensor towers would quite a bit more use. Especially in TvT and even in TvP now. Still not so sure you'd get much use out of it in TvZ. | ||
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Bonham
Canada655 Posts
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Sv1
United States204 Posts
I suppose if you're truly terrified of burrowed roaches. I think TvT is really the biggest use as a drop is always a threat. 100 gas though, if you've got it why not. Though a 50 mins for a marine/scv to stand somewhere on patrol. | ||
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.Aar
2177 Posts
And greed is good. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
in some cases players WILl get them because those zerg/toss players DO utilize multi harassment routes and forces them to. | ||
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Buddhalol
Canada109 Posts
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universalwill
United States654 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
I didn't know until around 1500 diamond that the enemy knew you put up a sensor tower when you do. | ||
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FakeDouble
Australia676 Posts
I think they can be very useful, it's just that I forget they exist most of the time q_q | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
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Augury
United States758 Posts
They're also easily replaced by supply depots and units. | ||
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afirlortwo
United States161 Posts
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crescendo111
11 Posts
On November 28 2010 01:18 DyEnasTy wrote: Yes. And I think Idra even said sensor towers are underused. I sometimes forget them. But I think in all matchups they can be quite effective. vsZ: Muta Harass vsT: Drops vsP: Proxy pylons near your base that warp in DT's in the backdoor on the new ladder maps and kill you (sigh). I feel you on the DT's :/ | ||
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mvpAKAenvyME
Canada179 Posts
On November 28 2010 00:16 Chma wrote: Because they are sooo expensive for a structure that does nothing else! I think the reason you see it so rarely in high level games is because top players like to rely on their own scouting/map control/reaction capabilities, but it definitely has it's places, just feels somewhat forgotten to me sometimes. I agree with Itortoise's post in whole, it's better to defend with stuff that has it's uses even after the drop, even if you don't know exactly from what angle the drop/banshee is coming and he kills 2-3 workers before you fend him off with units you still are on a smaller loss than if you had built one of the costly towers. Also, if a drop is incoming whan you are pushing out, it's not loke a sensor tower will kill off the drop/banshee/whatever anyway. I do very much think more lower/mid terrans should could make good use of it though. @above: 1st. It most certainly is NOT a xel naga tower. If terran could build xelnaga's I would switch races asap. 2nd. If the enemy kills 15 workers or your whole expansion I think it's more a qustion of reaction time, you either missed the drop completely or you had your troops way far away to be able to do anything about it anyway OR he dropped a huge army instead of a harrass force, in which case we're already discussing something else(in this case you might be better off countering) Sensor towers can buy time to position yourself, they dont magically defend anything, you still have to watch your mini map to make use of it and be able to react in time. This is right, but it's also silly in a way. Saying that player wants to rely on their own abilities is just stupid, and if they actually WANT to do that, then they aswell, are stupid. It's like making seige tanks without seige mode, and being like, "oh whatever, I can micro like a god i dont need seige mode" If you want to be the best, you have to use anything and everything that is available, obviously the sensor tower is really good, and what is 125/100 mid-late game? Especially since you could save yourself "x" amount of workers, or an expansion. It might not neeed to be placed right in your base or whatever, it could be placed as a proxy or something, but doesn't the range of it show up for the enemy once they scout it? Edit: the enemy does know when you put one up...they should get rid of that, thats totally unfair, it'd be like being able to see the range observer or overseer can detect you.. | ||
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sas911
Canada113 Posts
On November 28 2010 00:16 Chma wrote: Edit: the enemy does know when you put one up...they should get rid of that, thats totally unfair, it'd be like being able to see the range observer or overseer can detect you.. Umm no that's op though lol. It's honestly fine as is, the range is totally awesome, and it's really not that much when you have such huge armies. And to explain why not showing when they're put up is op, because other wise, terran could just sneak watch towers everywhere, while the other player doesn't know, and just see the movement of everything. Forcing every race to go on a search for watch towers is retarded, and means that even if the terran DOESN'T use watch towers, they could abuse the fact that the other race has to look for them. And showing the range an overseer detects IS cheap, because then overseers are seen easier, as there's a circle following their general location. So if they're on a cliff or something, the other player knows. Again, watch towers are like this for a reason. Btw sensor tower and xelnaga actually isn't a hell lot of difference. They both don't offer detection. And if you're ANY good of a player you should already know composition, so the only thing that matters is location. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
If sensor towers could detect invisible units I'd build them  | ||
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