[H] Need help with macro (T)

Lagavulin

United States3 Posts

November 18 2010 06:40 GMT

I've been stuck at the top of my platinum league because I have pretty bad macro. I'm pretty good at harassing but I never know when to push out and I never have a good idea how many barracks/factories/starports I should have and how many of each of those can be supported by each expansion. I feel lost a lot of games with no clear direction what to do.

I am pretty good against Protoss for whatever reason but anytime I play Terrain or Zerg I will harass them and mess up their economy they almost always will eventually come back and outmacro me in the end.

I'll post some replays when I have some (all recent ones are deleted) but I'm sure everyone would just tell me "build more!" so I just need some advice as to when to make more production buildings and how many at what time.

Thanks in advance.

Here's a replay I just played where my initial harass is successful but in the end he just outbuilt me. I'm guessing maybe I should have pushed out right after the harass? Also my micro was terrible in the final battle as my bio hotkey somehow came undone but I don't think it would have mattered.

TvP steppes of war

BigMEAT

23 Posts

November 18 2010 06:51 GMT

take ur 2nd faster, take ur 3rd faster,

hotkey all ur rax to one number and select it and just press ADADADADADADADADADADAD

=D thats if u want to spam marauders and marines. keep ur scv count rolling and dont supply block urself.

thats just the basics

Rodregeus

Australia126 Posts

November 18 2010 06:53 GMT

On November 18 2010 15:51 BigMEAT wrote:
take ur 2nd faster, take ur 3rd faster,

hotkey all ur rax to one number and select it and just press ADADADADADADADADADADAD

=D thats if u want to spam marauders and marines. keep ur scv count rolling and dont supply block urself.

thats just the basics

Did you read the OP?

SubPointOA

United States183 Posts

November 18 2010 07:00 GMT

yeah TvP is the easiest cuz its just one plain composition while teching to medivacs and harassing. remember to macro while dropping, just press 5adadadada or something, put a post it note next to ur screen or something =D

MusiK

United States302 Posts

November 18 2010 07:32 GMT

This reminds me of what Day[9] said in alot of his dailies.

Just create random triggers for certain things. Concerning your pushes, move out at a certain number of units, when an upgrade finishes, when u put down ur 2nd, etc. It may fail, but you'll start getting a good feel for when to push.

Same thing with the expos. start creating triggers to put down 2nds or 3rds and stick to it. Once again you'll fail, but you'll figure out the good timings.

Finally with your rax/fax/port counts, create triggers! when you put down ur 2nd, pop down 2 more raxes, or 3, or whatever. See what fits the best and remember it for whatever build you use.

This method takes a lot more time and pains of losing, but honestly... you become a better gamer out of it. You'll see in a lot of his dailies, he won't talk about supplies when he talks about when things go up or when pushes happen. Usually it's a trigger that makes him go 'ohhh, thats a good timing'.

Take my words with a grain of salt for I am still a noob, but I tend to agree with what the thoughthammer has to say. =D

Lagavulin

United States3 Posts

November 18 2010 08:22 GMT

On November 18 2010 16:32 MusiK wrote:

Finally with your rax/fax/port counts, create triggers! when you put down ur 2nd, pop down 2 more raxes, or 3, or whatever. See what fits the best and remember it for whatever build you use.

This method takes a lot more time and pains of losing, but honestly... you become a better gamer out of it. You'll see in a lot of his dailies, he won't talk about supplies when he talks about when things go up or when pushes happen. Usually it's a trigger that makes him go 'ohhh, thats a good timing'.

Take my words with a grain of salt for I am still a noob, but I tend to agree with what the thoughthammer has to say. =D

This is good advice and what I sorta do. Like I always will expand after my first harass and then after my second harass I usually drop 2-3 more barracks. After that is where I start to fall apart. I guess you're right and I just need to play more games and always keep it in the back of my mind.

I just see in replays where they will talk about someone building production buildings and saying "that number of barracks can't be supported by only 2 expansions" etc etc so I just didn't know if there were some basic generalizations.

I dunno, maybe I'm just bad at video games.

shubcraft

Germany145 Posts

November 18 2010 08:41 GMT

afaik you can support about 4 structures per base early/mid game so i usualy go for 3 rax -> expo or for 1/1/1 -> expo, after expo i either add 2 more raxes and 1 fac & 1 starport or i add 2 more rax and 2 starport.

To sum up:
3 rax -> expo -> 5 rax 1 fac 1 port -> expo
1 rax 1 fac 1 port -> 3 rax 1 fac 2 port -> expo

Before/during each expo, i try to push/poke, usualy around 50 supply with +1 att or with first 2 medivacs and around 100 supply with plenty more stuff.

Guess possibly a bit n00bish but i just try to get used to it and work on my "do i really have enough stuff to squish him no i better build more" thinking. its especialy important vs zerg, if you leave them unharrased until you reach 100 supply, you can usualy gg straight away

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