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klillas
Sweden27 Posts
I've played this guy 3x on the ladder and he did the exact same build all 3 times the thor push. This ccan be held off with a FE its a little tricky sometimes you have to sac the expo. but basically if you have the same number of Immortals as thors you an come out on top with ff behind the thor while they go up the ramp and just focus down the thors quickly. Just one quick observation though: FE close to thors can be tricky as they are massive and shatters FE's on contact. | ||
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HonIE
Ireland2 Posts
On November 25 2010 20:11 klillas wrote: Just one quick observation though: FE close to thors can be tricky as they are massive and shatters FE's on contact. FE - Fast Expand FF - Force Field But On a note to Proto_Protoss' comment, the one thing most people do not realize with this build is that is a an FE crusher, while you expand yourself. Also, I never engage (read, go up the ramp) without a scan and if I see that P goes for the bottleneck defense, I simply don't push, or then position only 1 thor on ramp, 2 next to ramp and if the Protoss engages with immortals, they are toast. I dunno really if P is doing all they can as I'm only 1,4k Terran, but I also make mistakes. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
The problem of course is getting the immortals in time so what I always do vs terran is to scout for a tech lab rax or not. If not you get the robo up asap and get a observer and a immortal. Chrono out the obs and fly it over immediately, making sure to have some map control so that if he comes in with a cloaked banshee you see it coming. If you see the thor build immediately nonstop chrono out immortals and you should have 3 by the time 2 come knocking at your door. Because immortals on chrono build quite a bit faster then thors the best way for terran to perform this is to actually push with 1 thor. It's much harder to get 2 immortals vs 1 thor then it is to get 3 or even 4 vs 2 thors. Using a phoenix to lift your immortal can work i guess but i think its just unneccesary tricky. Marines and the thor can take down the phoenix really fast and if you didn't do it exactly right the thor will just 250mm again. Your immortal is afterall not shooting while its being lifted so it doesnt really matter if the thor is not shooting either at the same time especially if you invested so much in a do nothing unit like the phoenix in this scenario. | ||
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visselli
Canada76 Posts
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samson6
Australia6 Posts
On November 26 2010 14:47 visselli wrote: lol theres a super simple way to beat this...4 gate and sit at a xelnaga as u will have map control due to him not having very many units early on....when he moves out just flank behind and base trade, u will kill half the terran base by the time he gets to yours. Except that as soon as he sees you heading into his base, he can fly off all of his buildings and kill any Stargates you have in your base as soon as he gets there, then you can't possibly win the base-off... | ||
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gwombat
Singapore40 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On November 26 2010 15:07 gwombat wrote: wouldn't a 2gate zealot push crush this really hard? I assume the Terran would wall in. I'm not saying you're wrong, but what advantage do you seek to gain? | ||
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elkram
United States221 Posts
Reason I say easiest is because it doesn't require chrono-boosting gateways or stagates, nor microing units, nor actually know that it is coming. If you just do this BO: 2 gate stargate, you auto-win against this. | ||
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galzohar
Israel100 Posts
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AllNight
Netherlands86 Posts
Just put some bunkers down his ramp and a few sieged tanks, watch out for backstabbing warpprisms though. Works at my level =p (lower tier diamond) | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
wouldn't a 2gate zealot push crush this really hard? Yes a 2 gate zealot push WOULD crush it... but you dont go that build if he gets 2 gate zealot so lets say - you wanna go for lets say phoenix and you see that he already build turrets (highly unlikely but nvm  ) You probably will stop your phoenix build and go for sth else (if you have no stargate/phoenix at that point) yes you will probably have less then with an optimal build but he is behind, too | ||
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micjmac
42 Posts
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SuNSeT(OD)
Canada15 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
But this is a very strong opening, just don't delay your attack too much. | ||
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sanctuz
Norway184 Posts
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
I am around 2200 diamond and I've basically won almost every game vs Protoss for the past 500 pts with this build. Even if they stop it, you've got an expo up before theirs because you killed their expo or they had to cancel/not expand. Then it's just a standard macro game where your Thors can Strike Cannon the Colossi. | ||
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solowmodel
3 Posts
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headies
United States63 Posts
The past few games vs T I've been getting crushed by this build @ 2000 diamond. Granted, I am FE'ing. I've been 1 gate FE so much vs terran, now when I encounter this build I'm pretty screwed. Does this build pretty much hard counter 1 gate FE? Is there a way to stop it if you do decide to expand? Also, what if you just want to 1 base, I assume to counter just go for heavy immortal/zealot play? | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On November 28 2010 15:46 headies wrote: Sure, there are some BO's that will crush this, such as 2 gate zealot, but what if you're trying to play safe? The past few games vs T I've been getting crushed by this build @ 2000 diamond. Granted, I am FE'ing. I've been 1 gate FE so much vs terran, now when I encounter this build I'm pretty screwed. Does this build pretty much hard counter 1 gate FE? Is there a way to stop it if you do decide to expand? Also, what if you just want to 1 base, I assume to counter just go for heavy immortal/zealot play? Don't think it is possbile to beat with 1gate expand, unless you go something like 2/3 gate then robo straight after and pump immortals non stop. Something like steppes it is an auto lose though. Even if you get enough immortals off a regular 1 base play to stop the rush, you end up being set behind like another Terran player has said, terran gets his expo whilst you just lost the majority of your forces + no expo, and very late Colossus against strike cannon Thors...it isn't very easy to beat, I've only won when the Terran mis micro'd really badly... | ||
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xseverityx
52 Posts
I wonder if putting cannons down in the mineral lines and going either charge tech or DT's could be a viable transition from 1-gate fe in response to 1-base tech build, takes care of cloak and chargelots would tear up marines+get easy surround for hold position scv kills. I just really hate going early stargate since it has no aoe transition. | ||
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