• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:41
CEST 23:41
KST 06:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview1[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris34Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview BoxeR's Wings Episode 2 - Fan Translation Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update A Eulogy for the Six Pool #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) Esports World Cup 2025
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Post ASL20 Ro24 discussion. Easiest luckies way to get out of Asl groups BW General Discussion No Rain in ASL20?
Tourneys
[IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined! [ASL20] Ro24 Group F [ASL20] Ro24 Group E [ASL20] Ro24 Group D
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mechabellum Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The year 2050
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1118 users

[H] LF Help on 2v2 Zerg/Protoss Strategies/Ideas

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
vurt
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States36 Posts
October 26 2010 20:02 GMT
#1
Ok...so a RL friend and I have recently started playing 2v2's in the Bronze League (Zerg/Protoss). I have noticed a lack of threads on the subject of 2v2, so I thought I'd look for some help here.

Basically, we are looking for any good builds/ideas/recommendations for our 2v2's. Our main build usually consists of Fast Expand Mutalisk for Zerg and either a 4-gate timed attack or a 2gate robo build. It seems that no matter how hard we macro we just lose to cheesy mono-mass units (e.g. mass hydra in this rep), or a good timed attack from the opponent. There is also resource transferring to consider from the opponent (we never have to transfer resources to each other as our macro is pretty good, imo). Any thoughts on how to improve our builds/timings/play in general? Thanks to any who reply!

REPLAY LINK: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/96290-2v2-terran-protoss-zerg-twilight-fortress
obviously you're not a golfer
vurt
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States36 Posts
October 27 2010 05:31 GMT
#2
bump
obviously you're not a golfer
leve15
Profile Joined August 2010
United States301 Posts
October 27 2010 05:35 GMT
#3
Depends on your opponents.

vs ZT / ZZ /TT
toss quick 4 gate stalker with a proxy pylon then get blink
zerg 13gas/12 pool 2 drones overlord pump lings
baneling nest on 50 gas
morph 12 banelings when the toss warps in his first 4 stalkers
kill

vs a P team
just go lings or roaches instead
vurt
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States36 Posts
October 27 2010 17:15 GMT
#4
thanks for the response...could use more advice!! bump!
obviously you're not a golfer
RacingGun
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada12 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-27 19:09:10
October 27 2010 19:06 GMT
#5
This is the same combo that my main partner and I use for 2v2 (I'm zerg, he's toss). Before you work on any strategies or fancy stuff make sure of two things: you can communicate quickly and easily (typing is slow and hard to do in a panic situations); we like to use skype because the voice comm in SC2 is so poor. And that you both have your fundamentals down (good econ, scouting, and unit production). Going for a 4-gate rush + 5 roach rush is nice and all, but it still won't work if you are each only sitting on 1 base and 15 workers each.

Remember to constantly produce workers (and for the zerg player, know when you pump drones and when to pump units). Many 2v2 maps are setup so that taken your first expansion is fairly easy to do and to hold, but make sure you know your opponent won't attack soon, because in 2v2 army size differences can easily be MUCH bigger than in 1v1 games.

On big maps, I like mutas for harassment. I'll start with speedlings to harass and help defend, then transition into muta. If we are facing terran or a zerg, pure mass banelings are surprisingly good. You can't do this 1v1 because you need an army to clean up after the banelings do their thing, but in 2v2, that is what your ally is for

For the toss, starting with two gates and pumping units is almost always a good thing, After your first scouting trip, you can make the decision to add on more gates, to expand, or to get a robo bay for colossus or immortal production. Observers are great for scouting and seeing when the opposing army is ready to move out.

Not really much to say, good fundamentals are still very very important. Try not to split up your armies, unless you know you can get back together quickly (2v1 fights are rarely a pretty sight). Harassing in such a way to cripple one of your opponents is a great thing, but remember to keep up the aggression, as recoveries are much easier in 2v2 games compared to 1v1.

If you have mass lings, always go for the surround (moving) before telling your lings to attack, so the toss can help out with his army the most.

I can give more general advice, but my ally and I rarely do set build orders or strategies, mostly just scout and play it by ear.

Oh and mothership rushing is GREAT fun!
vurt
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States36 Posts
October 28 2010 05:52 GMT
#6
keep em coming. bumped.
obviously you're not a golfer
FirstQT
Profile Joined October 2010
United States115 Posts
October 28 2010 06:07 GMT
#7
In the mid to late game, infestor+high temp is deadly especially if they have an army that clumps up(MM, mutas, lings, gateway units, etc.). Fungal growth is something like 32 damage and storm is 80 and neither are affected by armor. Thats 112 pure damage. To make it easier, the one with better micro should control the infestor/high temp.
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
October 28 2010 06:13 GMT
#8
fast expanding as zerg is a good way to die in 2v2s. i've noticed this a lot more in new patch where people are fast expanding more as zerg. against a good team u will get killed.
i like cheese
leve15
Profile Joined August 2010
United States301 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-28 07:14:27
October 28 2010 07:13 GMT
#9
yeah, unlike BW, you can put on some real heat as a 1-base zerg.

I like going speedling/speed roach (banes if necessary) before i expand, then once I get my expo make mutas. giving gas to the zerg ally is normally helpful too.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 49m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 102
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2019
Shuttle 336
EffOrt 121
ZZZero.O 53
NaDa 13
Dota 2
syndereN301
capcasts102
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K395
Foxcn228
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox215
Chillindude28
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu476
Other Games
tarik_tv24657
gofns14380
FrodaN2264
Grubby1938
summit1g1919
fl0m1158
RotterdaM442
KnowMe293
C9.Mang0114
ViBE41
Mew2King38
ProTech5
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1135
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta95
• StrangeGG 38
• LUISG 35
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 25
• FirePhoenix2
• iopq 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21530
League of Legends
• Doublelift2723
Counter-Strike
• imaqtpie876
• Shiphtur145
Other Games
• Scarra617
• WagamamaTV232
Upcoming Events
Code For Giants Cup
49m
SC Evo League
14h 19m
TaeJa vs Cure
Rogue vs threepoint
ByuN vs Creator
MaNa vs Classic
Maestros of the Game
18h 19m
ShoWTimE vs Cham
GuMiho vs Ryung
Zoun vs Spirit
Rogue vs MaNa
[BSL 2025] Weekly
20h 19m
SC Evo League
1d 14h
Maestros of the Game
1d 18h
SHIN vs Creator
Astrea vs Lambo
Bunny vs SKillous
HeRoMaRinE vs TriGGeR
BSL Team Wars
1d 21h
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
BSL Team Wars
1d 21h
Team Dewalt vs Team Sziky
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Summer 2025
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.