EPTwhats better to research? Armor or Weapons?
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BelCanto
United States27 Posts
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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BelCanto
United States27 Posts
TvP- Armor TvZ- weapon TvT- weapon But generally, what do pros get first? | ||
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BelCanto
United States27 Posts
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
TvT - Armor TvZ - Weapons TvP - Either | ||
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Perscienter
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You usually can't make a mistake by upgrading weapons first. You usually really get both. Vs sling/bling/muta, you need the weapons vs banelings, but slings and muta demand armor upgrades. Vs high templars armor is useless, but they are often escorted by zealots, which have 2 attacks and therefore also demand armor upgrades. I currently don't know a situation like in bw, when you could head for 3-0-0 in PvT. | ||
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Waes
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For example,im a zerg player.In zvz,if we both go mutalisk i get armor upgrade first for my mutas,because it dramatically reduces the splash damage.If he goes hydras,ill get attack upgrade for my mutas. There are so many scenarios like this in which your decision on what upgrades should be done first may change on what you are facing,or what race you are playing against. | ||
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Perscienter
957 Posts
On October 10 2010 03:14 Waes wrote: it depends... For example,im a zerg player.In zvz,if we both go mutalisk i get armor upgrade first for my mutas,because it dramatically reduces the splash damage.If he goes hydras,ill get attack upgrade for my mutas. I don't agree on this decision. A mutalisk attack upgrade will help your mutalisks against any opposite unit. It's clearly the superior upgrade decision. | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
On October 10 2010 03:17 Perscienter wrote: I don't agree on this decision. A mutalisk attack upgrade will help your mutalisks against any opposite unit. It's clearly the superior upgrade decision. Mutalisk vs mutalisk, armor is better. | ||
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Catreina
United States304 Posts
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Undercroft
United Kingdom166 Posts
- Going bio? get attack upgrades first. - Going mech? get attack upgrades unless going mass thor, in which case grab armour to lol at lings. - Going Air but not cruisers? Get air attack (and do hit and run attacks) - Going Cruisers? Get air armour (seriously. it makes BCs live so much longer. Can grab yamato to kill off counter units easier) | ||
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Perscienter
957 Posts
I tried to model a mutalisk vs mutalisk fight and have a few questions.
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
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ZeusWTFrudoin
United States35 Posts
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Perscienter
957 Posts
On October 10 2010 16:03 Perscienter wrote: I tried to model a mutalisk vs mutalisk fight and have a few questions.
I'm still wondering about those. Any ideas? | ||
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tetracycloide
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On October 12 2010 22:53 Perscienter wrote: I'm still wondering about those. Any ideas? Minimum damage after armor reduction is .5 Fractions are computed as simple floating point operations. Health has several digits after the decimal that don't show in the UI that are used in damage calculations. Damage caused by a bounce is a fraction of the base damage less the target's armor. (damage * fraction) - armor In a straight muta vs. muta fight 1/0 mutas will loose to an equal number of 0/1 mutas every time. The reasoning is simple: Damage from attack upgrade is added completely to the first attack but only as a fraction to the second and third bounce. Damage reduction from armor upgrades reduces damage from all three attacks by the full amount to the mimimum of .5 | ||
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CDC.Mek
United States22 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On October 10 2010 03:07 ichangedmyname wrote: There really is no easy answer. If I had to break down what to get against the 3 races I would say. TvT - Armor TvZ - Weapons TvP - Either Why on earth would you go for Armor in TvT? Assuming your opponent gets +1 weapon and you get +1 armor, all their mech units will deal more damage in comparison and their Marauders will deal more damage in comparison to yours. You will have no advantages in any situation. | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
On October 13 2010 00:16 Shikyo wrote: Why on earth would you go for Armor in TvT? Assuming your opponent gets +1 weapon and you get +1 armor, all their mech units will deal more damage in comparison and their Marauders will deal more damage in comparison to yours. You will have no advantages in any situation. Huh? On the other side, all your mech will suffer less damage in comparison?! I don't understand your logic. You're just saying you would deal more damage with weapons upgrade. Which is obvious. On the other hand, his logic is probably that in TvT, which is dominated by high damage, slow shooting, armor will let you survive an extra hit or two and therefore you will be able to do one more hit on them, which is far more effective than getting a little bit more damage in. | ||
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