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Did you guys completely forget about Zerg's natural HP regeneration ability? If you go head-on and he pulls back hurt drones. He can always pull back and wait for a slight advantage from the regen. You will mostly likely lose, unless you do the following (as others have mentioned above):
1. As terran, don't engage until you have as many SCVs out as possible. Have a couple of them continue to mine, as you will need the minerals for auto-repair. If the opponent goes for the mining SCVs, surround his drones (by moving past them and THEN attacking). Select half of your SCVs and right-click the repair button. You don't want all of your SCVs repairing each other and not fighting.
2. As protoss/zerg, use the mineral patch stacking trick. Just send all of your workers to a single mineral patch, have them stack up, and when the drones come to attack, your workers will spread out and float amongst the drones. Then, just A-click. Remember to use the HP/shield regen for zerg/protoss by pulling back hurt workers.
Pretty easy win if you ask me. Just don't panic.
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On September 28 2010 03:29 SpicyCrab wrote:
I'm a bit confused...
SCVs are stronger than drones, and you have more than he does.
Why can't you just A move your scvs and win?
without repair, drones heal 1+ damage and therefore are equal in an a-move
only toss cant a-move
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if it's 45 seconds...he'll have at most 10 drones because the OL takes 20 seconds to make. a supply build with scvs picking drones off as they come in should be fine.
who the hell rushes in 45 seconds with drones?...i think 45 seconds is an exaggeration.
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On September 28 2010 03:29 SpicyCrab wrote:
I'm a bit confused...
SCVs are stronger than drones, and you have more than he does.
Why can't you just A move your scvs and win?
I'm guessing its either the auto rengenerate the drones have and the oponent micros out the hurt ones or its that zergs can get to 18 drones quicker than a terran can get to 18 scvs.
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side note: alt R is the hotkey for enabling auto repair.
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Zerg can have 12 drones with double Extractor trick, dunno in what time but zerg doesn't need ovie.
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On September 28 2010 04:03 lGy wrote:
not sure if serious.. wall off against zerg?
If you're not sure he's serious, then don't respond to the strategy forum.
To OP: There are many many ways to hold it off. I would try just attacking his drones with all your scv's first.
The trick, and pay attention here, is that you immediately pull all your scv's and get them out of the minerals so you can get a good surround. The 2nd trick is to a-click the ground behind his drones. Do not right-click on any of his drones. Just let your scv's do their thing. This should win you the battle every time.
Also, if you want to get fancy with it, pull any scv's with 10hp (if you try at 5hp, the drone may get a last attack in as you're retreating and kill your scv anyway, while your scv loses its own last attack = major fail) back so that the attacking drone(s) grabs a new target, then send the hurt scv back in the battle. Make sure when you do this you only select one scv at a time to pull back, otherwise you will decrease the dps of your army too much and he may win even with your "micro."
note: Turn on enemy health bars -> "Always" in the options screen.
If he notices he's going to lose the battle so that he, for example, has 3 drones left to your 8 scv's, throw ~3 scv's back on the minerals so you're steadily gaining an even greater advantage. Leave the other 5 chasing his drones forever, since they should be all he has. Continue to make more scv's as minerals come in and it should be an easy victory.
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SCVs that are a-moving with auto-repair on will automatically repair. So you can just make some of them auto-repair and attack move all of them at the same time.
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On September 28 2010 04:46 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2010 04:03 lGy wrote:
not sure if serious.. wall off against zerg? If you're not sure he's serious, then don't respond to the strategy forum. To OP: There are many many ways to hold it off. I would try just attacking his drones with all your scv's first. The trick, and pay attention here, is that you immediately pull all your scv's and get them out of the minerals so you can get a good surround. The 2nd trick is to a-click the ground behind his drones. Do not right-click on any of his drones. Just let your scv's do their thing. This should win you the battle every time. Also, if you want to get fancy with it, pull any scv's with 10hp (if you try at 5hp, the drone may get a last attack in as you're retreating and kill your scv anyway, while your scv loses its own last attack = major fail) back so that the attacking drone(s) grabs a new target, then send the hurt scv back in the battle. Make sure when you do this you only select one scv at a time to pull back, otherwise you will decrease the dps of your army too much and he may win even with your "micro." note: Turn on enemy health bars -> "Always" in the options screen. If he notices he's going to lose the battle so that he, for example, has 3 drones left to your 8 scv's, throw ~3 scv's back on the minerals so you're steadily gaining an even greater advantage. Leave the other 5 chasing his drones forever, since they should be all he has. Continue to make more scv's as minerals come in and it should be an easy victory.
Thanks for this explanation. As stated, to those reading, I'm not a stellar SC2 player (yet). While I'm able to do fairly well against typical starts, this inexplicably destroyed me a number of times. I was interested in how TL would approach this, as you guys seem to come up with the best responses. This one in particular is a great approach to how to combat the rush, and will try the next time I get this foolishness thrown at me.
For those others who think I'm not serious, I am. I'm just not that good at the game just yet, so I'm appreciative of the advice.
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On September 28 2010 04:55 danfromwaterloo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2010 04:46 danl9rm wrote:On September 28 2010 04:03 lGy wrote:
not sure if serious.. wall off against zerg? If you're not sure he's serious, then don't respond to the strategy forum. To OP: There are many many ways to hold it off. I would try just attacking his drones with all your scv's first. The trick, and pay attention here, is that you immediately pull all your scv's and get them out of the minerals so you can get a good surround. The 2nd trick is to a-click the ground behind his drones. Do not right-click on any of his drones. Just let your scv's do their thing. This should win you the battle every time. Also, if you want to get fancy with it, pull any scv's with 10hp (if you try at 5hp, the drone may get a last attack in as you're retreating and kill your scv anyway, while your scv loses its own last attack = major fail) back so that the attacking drone(s) grabs a new target, then send the hurt scv back in the battle. Make sure when you do this you only select one scv at a time to pull back, otherwise you will decrease the dps of your army too much and he may win even with your "micro." note: Turn on enemy health bars -> "Always" in the options screen. If he notices he's going to lose the battle so that he, for example, has 3 drones left to your 8 scv's, throw ~3 scv's back on the minerals so you're steadily gaining an even greater advantage. Leave the other 5 chasing his drones forever, since they should be all he has. Continue to make more scv's as minerals come in and it should be an easy victory. Thanks for this explanation. As stated, to those reading, I'm not a stellar SC2 player (yet). While I'm able to do fairly well against typical starts, this inexplicably destroyed me a number of times. I was interested in how TL would approach this, as you guys seem to come up with the best responses. This one in particular is a great approach to how to combat the rush, and will try the next time I get this foolishness thrown at me. For those others who think I'm not serious, I am. I'm just not that good at the game just yet, so I'm appreciative of the advice.
Thanks! You're very welcome!
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On September 28 2010 03:54 motus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2010 03:51 Klamity wrote:
I'm amazed at all of the serious responses to this.
The fact that it happened to the OP 3 times is even more shocking. Luckily, people can't stack in this game. :p
Just a-move your SCVs, they are stronger and pull back the ones that are hurt. LOL yeah I don't get it either. It literally takes bronze-level micro to defend a drone rush against scvs.
You need no micro. All you have to do is a move. Hell, you could probably keep mining and win.
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On September 28 2010 03:02 Rakanishu2 wrote:
If you're not terran, having all your Probes/Drones mine the same node at the same time to stack them and then attack the drones one at a time will give you a nice edge.
This and also when you are engaging and a worker gets damaged tell it to mine minerals away from where the engagement is. The worker should phase through the rest of your workers so you can safely repair him or just flat out continue to mine.
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On September 28 2010 03:29 SpicyCrab wrote:
I'm a bit confused...
SCVs are stronger than drones, and you have more than he does.
Why can't you just A move your scvs and win?
1 drone beats any other worker 1v1. The reason being the drones will regenerate hp while taking damage. If you ever wondered why your scv or probe lost to a drone, now you know. Regeneration.
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On September 28 2010 03:38 Parra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2010 03:32 Endorsed wrote:On September 28 2010 03:29 SpicyCrab wrote:
I'm a bit confused...
SCVs are stronger than drones, and you have more than he does.
Why can't you just A move your scvs and win? This puzzles me aswell. Most likely because the zerg did a better job microing the lower HP drones back.
Drones regenerate 0.273 health points per game-time second, as the scv's regenerate 0 health points per second.
It takes any worker 12 seconds to deal 40 damage, in that time the drone regenerates 3.276 health points. 1 drone vs 1 scv depends on the random attack swing delay and drones in a group will win if they are pulled back when they got low health.
EDIT:
The random attack delay of the drone is exactly the same as the scv.
Both are:
max: 0.125
min: -0.0625
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On September 28 2010 04:27 ahcho00 wrote:
if it's 45 seconds...he'll have at most 10 drones because the OL takes 20 seconds to make. a supply build with scvs picking drones off as they come in should be fine.
who the hell rushes in 45 seconds with drones?...i think 45 seconds is an exaggeration. It's best to drone rush as soon as you hit 10 supply. Zerg produces their first few workers faster.
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its all about micro. put 2~3 scvs on auto-repair and make sure you have a better surround on his drones.
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Hm, don´t guys that dronerush in bronze usually instantly leave if their enemies are terran? Because you can really ruin that guys day by simply lifting off. Those guys want to get their wins as fast as possible, so by simply lifting off (And maybe even flying somewhere safe and rebuild), you force him to spend a large amount of time to finally get some air units.
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On October 02 2010 09:41 Simberto wrote:
Hm, don´t guys that dronerush in bronze usually instantly leave if their enemies are terran? Because you can really ruin that guys day by simply lifting off. Those guys want to get their wins as fast as possible, so by simply lifting off (And maybe even flying somewhere safe and rebuild), you force him to spend a large amount of time to finally get some air units.
Lifting off, unless there is an island to go to, DOES NOT work as zerg just has to keep their drones under your base and you can forget ever getting back down to the ground.
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A lot of people lose to this because they don't re-attack their workers after they kill their enemy. Workers don't automatically begin attacking the next drone in sight, you have to do this manually with another A-click.
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Silver/gold is nothing but really super freakin dumb cheese, it ceases to amaze me. the autorepair + a move or even just stacking and attacking should do the trick then its ez gg.
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