The Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 7

On September 22 2010 04:31 Pfeff wrote:


ZvZ - I don't think I've used them in ZvZ to be honest, but I could be making a huge mistake by not using them

On September 22 2010 04:38 Balor wrote:


Infestors are amazing in ZvZ, Stopping mutas, 1 shotting blings, really hurting lings, letting your hydras get free shots on roachs...

I get them in a ton of my 1300 zvz games. Do et.

On September 22 2010 04:15 Mastadon6900 wrote:
When should one throw down an infestation pit and start producing Infestors in each MU?

On September 22 2010 04:48 Sfydjklm wrote:
is this where i can has hug?

On September 22 2010 04:31 Pfeff wrote:
ZvZ - I don't think I've used them in ZvZ to be honest, but I could be making a huge mistake by not using them

On September 21 2010 20:29 Alsn wrote:
Some things to note vs toss:
Early game, either overlord scout or 10ish drone scout. Is he making only the one zeal for blocking his ramp(check if his gateway does not have a glowy white thing in the middle before the cyb core is finished). If so, make drones. If not, make units to deal with whatever amount of zealots he sends(estimate about 4 lings per zealot, or about one roach per zealot). Take note however that you don't actually need the units until he arrives, so it's perfectly fine to drone up until you see him moving out.

The exception to the last comment is that whenever he gets too many units, you need to continuously re-evaluate if you need a "bare minimum" amount of units made beforehand. Example: If P has built up a force of 6 zealots and you only have a hatchery + queen there's just no way that you'll be able to build enough zerglings just from the larva you get while he moves towards your base. Which means that at some point(at around 3 zealots or so) you would have to build some kind of defence even if he doesn't actually move out(usually, this means making a few roaches, or planting spine crawlers if you don't have a roach warren).

The basic idea however is that you need to keep scouting him to see what he is up to.

As for the mid-late game, there are a few rules that I tend to use.
Is he attacking right now? If so, build an army.

Am I putting pressure on him(such as muta harassing or having a unit he can't currently counter, like hydras before he's got HT/Colossi)? If no, does he have a bigger army than me? If yes, build an army.

Do I know what he is up to? If no, try to find out and if I can't find anything out in a timely manner, assume the worst and prepare some kind of defence/response.

In all other situations, make drones(or, once you have a game-winning lead, go kill him). These situations include demolishing an attack without any effort, seeing him doing something extremely defensive like cannoning up, expanding or otherwise teching/developing his economy without you being able to punish it by killing him then and there.

To identify all these situations you quite simply just have to play a lot and learn to see them as there will undoubtedly be situations where you will not be 100% sure of what to do and have to rely on "game sense" to figure out what to do.

On September 22 2010 05:18 BartooToo wrote:
Hey guys, I wanted to ask,

what 10(or something) build orders for zerg would you advise to learn first, to get a nice start in SCII?

Thanks,
BartooToo

On September 22 2010 05:12 Saracen wrote:
I will answer more questions later today. But I want to encourage Zerg players posting questions to skim through the thread first, because there have been many things that have been already covered, and people in general don't like to repeat themselves

On September 22 2010 05:34 BartooToo wrote:
@MrBitter

I've read through this topic, and I indeed have seen some build orders, but, I don't know whether they are basic, and whether they are good for me to try as a beginner etc.

No offense to you of course.

On September 22 2010 05:18 BartooToo wrote:
Hey guys, I wanted to ask,

what 10(or something) build orders for zerg would you advise to learn first, to get a nice start in SCII?

Thanks,
BartooToo

On September 22 2010 05:12 Saracen wrote:
I will answer more questions later today. But I want to encourage Zerg players posting questions to skim through the thread first, because there have been many things that have been already covered, and people in general don't like to repeat themselves



This is also where you can answer questions

On September 22 2010 05:54 Sfydjklm wrote:

im afraid most of my answers will include suggestion to play a different faction:X

On September 22 2010 05:50 BartooToo wrote:
@ZapRoffo, yeah, I already know a few.

I know and am comfortable with:
6pool
Huskystarcraft's roach opener
10pool
13pool