[G] iEchoic's 1/1/2 Hellion Drop TvP - Page 21

On October 28 2010 12:20 Joey172 wrote:
@micjmac: In iEchoic's OP, he mentions how to handle 4 gate early pressure but to sum it up here, essentially if you see him 4 gating (which you should see with your hellion drop), immediately build a 2nd bunker and have scv's ready on auto repair for when he pushes (ctrl group maybe like 6-8 scv's). have one scout far out so when you see his army, you can pull your scv's off the mineral line and start repairing. then collect win!

On October 28 2010 12:57 micjmac wrote:


I did this, but he did not suicide his units, he just pulled back. When I pushed out at around the 12:00 minute mark, my marines and banshees got decimated. He simply just had too many stalkers and immortals. That's why there has to be more to it than putting up 2 bunkers. My hellion drop only killed about 3 probes, so we were on an even economic footing for the whole match. I'm wondering if I should have just expo'd and delayed my push. If that's the right move, I am not sure when it is a good time to make it. I don't want to play against toss late game.

On October 29 2010 17:13 NathanNever wrote:
Hi iEchoic,

Thank you to add the replay about ghosts vs high templar.
But why you started to make ghost academy without seeing the high templar building?

Here a new question about your strategy:
What to do vs a protoss army made of phenix and colossus?
Colossus kills my marine from range if I try to kill phenix with them. And phenix kill my viking/banshee if I try to engage colossus.

Thank you for any help.

On October 29 2010 18:50 MasterFischer wrote:


Build mass vikings against pheonix and collossus

If you spot a twilight council with your hellion drop, just open into cloaked banshees. This will force the protoss player to decide between very fast storm and detection. Cancel cloak before it is finished if you see a robo being constructed and spend the money on a fusion core.

On October 25 2010 06:44 iEchoic wrote:
Sorry for the late response, been busy dorking around on TL and playing sc2 dota.

First of all, I want to post a new variation to the strategy that is now viable since patch 1.1.2. It's a variation on the lategame composition that allows you to transition into a Thor/Marauder/Marine/Battlecruiser composition. Weird, right?

Well, it turns out that after you expo, if you throw down a fusion core an an armory, and another rax with a reactor (and a tech lab on your factory), you've unlocked two very high-throughput units (the thor and the battlecruiser x2) from your factory and 2x starport. The advantages to this are:

- Very high throughput of units from existing structures. With three new structures - the armory, fusion core, and one more barracks (the armory already gives you utility from upgrading units and unlocking infantry upgrades), you are able to liquidate up to 3 bases worth of income through your existing structures. This saves both worker build time and resources, as the alternative involves building 3-4 more raxes with addons and not using the factory.
- The previous 'counter' to this composition, mass void rays, has been nerfed in 1.1.2
- HTs no longer counter thors
- It's kick-ass. Seriously, how badass are thors are battlecruisers in the same mid-game composition?
- The composition is very strong against any aoe-based protoss composition (templar, colossus), forcing your opponent out of his strongest lategame options.

If people try this and like it, I'll edit into the OP. Let me know.

Here's a replay:

On November 05 2010 00:07 Antisocialmunky wrote:
The only time I lose with this build is when protoss gets like a million stalkers. But when it happens there is nothing I can do to counter it it seems. I feel like I can't effectively mass marauders because otherwise I just wasted money on getting fast starport tech.

Protoss just seems to be able to turtle and kill me:
http://www.mediafire.com/?hplp7nqzy9c5kok