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Chabute
Canada39 Posts
Seriously though, what else could I have done? Should I start sending out my scout faster? On a side note, I renamed the replay TvT by accident, ignore that.  here it is regardless: http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=140123 | ||
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pyaar
United States423 Posts
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threehundred
Canada911 Posts
on 2player maps try to plan your building placements for bunkers and cannon angles | ||
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Chabute
Canada39 Posts
Oh well. That... Really sucked though. | ||
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Moja
United States313 Posts
The key is good sim-city and building bunkers | ||
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Hezistance
Lebanon12 Posts
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Chabute
Canada39 Posts
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
. defensive bunkers with marines . offensive bunker with marines to kill the pylon/gateway . pull probes to kill pylon . pull probes to kill gateway . rush to reapers if you play T and kite zealots or base race I'll be honest, I have problems with proxy gateways even when I immediately scout it. I've tried all of these tactics with pretty much equal success. Is there a strategy that's proven to be the best? ...as for advise, it would seem to me that if you're going to make bunkers and use them defensively, you want to them to cover your workers. I think you could have survived it perhaps if you had done this. | ||
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Wild Karrde
United States12 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-140190.jpg) Even IF I had scouted the pylon earlier, I would not have gotten a marine out any faster because of chronoboost, so defending this successfully is not a matter of earlier scouting in my opinion. In future cases against Protoss, I'm going to wall off with a second depot (or bunker if I've seen the pylon) before the Barracks finishes. Then, more importantly, I'll pull SCVs off the line to repair. Unless you repair, you're still screwed. With marines behind the wall and SCVs repairing, you should be able to hold off a large amount of zealots. Hopefully long enough for you to get a factory and hellions. Those are my thoughts anyway. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
On August 18 2010 23:52 deth2munkies wrote: Depends on the rush distance of the map, but 9/10 times your SCV building the depot/barracks at your ramp will spot the probe coming into your base. At that point, toss down a rax immediately if you haven't yet, pull 4 SCVs to kill the Pylon, build a Bunker as soon as the rax finishes (right next to your CC) and pump marines into it. If you can get a tech lab down for reapers or Marauders, it's over. This except dont attack the pylon since he can just build more of them. If anything you should attack the gateway. I preffer to get 2 marines in a bunker and then go tech lab for reapers. | ||
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astroboy
Australia18 Posts
10 supply 12 rax 13 gas. you know the rest, but I scout when my supply is 50%. I usually notice a probe walk in my base.. but not scout, just run to the corner. At that point in time, im just praying he isnt about to cheese me. But obviously he does. I quickly run an scv over and see the pylon outside the cliff and 2 gateways being warped in. I instantly pull 6/7 scvs to kill the initial pylon and build a bunker between my cc and the gateways. Try and get the bunker in range of the gateways. If you can.. float or build a rax directly next to the bunker. So you can insta rally the rines inside. make sure you kill that little shit of a probe. HES YOUR WORST ENEMY. I went into freak out mode once and forgot about it.. and he just warped in 3 pylons ... sad Anyways.. defending this is pretty tough.. it requires you to constantly deploy the bunker and micro your rines efficiently. you need to kill the zealots asap. if he builds up too many that bunker will go down and gg. Another case is that he'll also build cannons. so if youre going to get some production buildings.. make them away from the proxy. I can only defend this maybe.. 30-50% of the time. So I would like to hear how others defend this as well. | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
That said, the toss just gets zealots and kamikaze in my mineral line. Marines needs way too many shots to kill them before another comes. They just send on workers all the time. If I micro away I get no mineral income, if I dont they die. EDIT: is it really worth to pull of SCVs to pill pylon? he'll just build like 2 new the second he sees your killing it... | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
On August 19 2010 00:06 KaiserJohan wrote: EDIT: is it really worth to pull of SCVs to pill pylon? he'll just build like 2 new the second he sees your killing it... only if you manage to trap his probe and kill it early on, otherwise killing off one of the gates is a much better option | ||
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Prisom
United States83 Posts
Yeah, i haven't had any success against this all in/cheese either with my conventional BOs. I have lost 1 game so far (in about 10 games) since I started playing SC2 again after the beta and this was it. I was in the top ~20 of my diamond division when i was playing before. Basically the only real option i see to beating this is to 8-10 rax reaper rush every TvP on 1v1 maps. You dont even get your first marine by the time they have 2 zlots and if you pull scvs to attack the pylon/gateway then your econ completely dies and you might not even kill it before he gets 2 zlots up and starts shredding scvs left and right. Most good toss will send up a probe really early if they plan on cheesing so even if you watch your entrance where you put up your 1st depot you aren't necessarily going to see the probe come in. In my match where i got proxied I built a bunker and had SCVs repairing it next to my CC and used 4-5 scvs to act as meat shields while i kited the zlots with my marines but eventually they just massed up and killed the bunker and it was gg. I couldnt even get my scvs in to repair the bunker because it was surrounded. Even worse, he built the proxied buildings behind the brush near your back door's destructible rocks so i couldnt even shoot his buildings without actually standing next to them and getting mauled by zlots. So yeah, in conclusion I will be be doing a 8-10 rax reaper rush followed up by marauders vs all my toss opponents on 1v1 maps. No matter what it will kill a couple of scvs and force them to respond giving you the opportunity to run over their stalkers with marauders for the gg or at least lead to a safer transition into standard play. | ||
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Prisom
United States83 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
i think the reason that cheese is so strong in sc2 is the whole "6 starting workers" thing | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
One other thing that helped me was using Nada's depot placement, right in front of the gas where it can be raised to create a really tight choke. Edit: I thought today was the 25th :/ | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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oxxo
988 Posts
On August 25 2010 06:10 travis wrote: guess what it's not just hard for terran to deal with, it's hard as shit for protoss to deal with too i think the reason that cheese is so strong in sc2 is the whole "6 starting workers" thing The 6 workers changes nothing. The problem is the incredibly tiny maps. | ||
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On August 27 2010 06:35 oxxo wrote: The 6 workers changes nothing. The problem is the incredibly tiny maps. Not to mention, the abuse of pylons on low ground on long distance maps such as Desert Oasis, Xel'naga Caverns and (formerly) Scrap Station (before they added the rocks at the natural it was wayy faster to get over there and able to 8/8gate or 9/9 gate in base) | ||
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drewcifer
United States192 Posts
On August 18 2010 23:46 Wild Karrde wrote: Here's proxy 2 gate replay: Even IF I had scouted the pylon earlier, I would not have gotten a marine out any faster because of chronoboost, so defending this successfully is not a matter of earlier scouting in my opinion. In future cases against Protoss, I'm going to wall off with a second depot (or bunker if I've seen the pylon) before the Barracks finishes. Then, more importantly, I'll pull SCVs off the line to repair. Unless you repair, you're still screwed. With marines behind the wall and SCVs repairing, you should be able to hold off a large amount of zealots. Hopefully long enough for you to get a factory and hellions. Those are my thoughts anyway. just watched the replay. yea you scouted entirely too late, this game is a reason why you scout before you barracks is completed. I'm sorta confused though because you noted that if you scouted faster you could have walled off or built a bunker yet you say it's not a matter of scouting early waah? | ||
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Xingke
United States78 Posts
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Alexstrasas
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DarkwindHK
Hong Kong343 Posts
I cannot see how you can lose to a proxy gate as Terran. Just use all your SCV and your 1~4 marines and go to protoss base, fly your own base. Make a bunker, free win. Block their own ramp with your base and your barracks, there is no way protoss can win this. I even make a youtube video on this, but it is not in English. If you are interested: search darkrage585 in youtube. It is the "Final Round 2..." video I uploaded. | ||
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
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RubiksCube
Germany259 Posts
If you get your first marine at about the same time his zealot gets to your mineral line, you better have a bunker there. Don't try to rush into killing this, time is on your side. Be content with defending for the time being. | ||
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ChickenLips
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Thrombozyt
Germany1269 Posts
2nd rax is to keep production steady. If you see his warpgate when it is 60% or less done, place down a bunker in short distance to the gate and the second bunker close to your CC. If you had already guys in gas, pull them off after you have harvested 75 gas (tech lab + reaper). Use your marines outside of the bunker and use the bunkers to retreat to as a safe spot. Wounded marines stay in the bunker. If you have some breathing room, put down techlab and go for a reaper. Put guys back in gas. As soon as you have the spare mins you can also use your scouting SCV to place a 3rd rax into HIS base and return the favor. Be sure to mass up 4-5 marines before you attack. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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