What is the best counter to mass vikings + few tanks on defence thing? In starcraft1 it was goliaphs + tanks, but thors seem to be too expensive and hella slow... Any other ideas?

duckhunt

Canada311 Posts

April 07 2010 20:05 GMT

ye goliaths were good counter to vikings in sc1 8D

duckhunt

Canada311 Posts

April 07 2010 20:05 GMT

just mass expo + mm + turretS ?

Floophead_III

United States1832 Posts

April 07 2010 20:11 GMT

More tanks + turrets and some thors. You should try to put as much ground pressure on your opponent as possible. Force vikings to fight on the ground and you'll eventually widdle down his viking count to open the game to drops/your own air force. If he goes banshees, you really should just start massing thors, saving scans, and making a lot of turrets. With the recent patch I see that being much easier to pull off.

Another option is to just mass marauder and kill him. If he's not super careful with his tank placement you can steamroll him with marauders, and vikings aren't very useful vs them. If he is smart and got +1 on his tanks and is careful with his placement, going marauders can screw you over. Also, if he switches up to mass banshee and you miss your timing window you will lose because you don't have the factories to make thors you need for map control.

Splendour

Bulgaria129 Posts

April 07 2010 20:12 GMT

I think the main idea in tvt is to get as many tanks and vikings as possible, with goods upgrades. However, when u want to defend an expansion against a tank/viking army u can just build a shit load of turrets ( since u should have a lot of minerals in the bank - both tanks and vikings cost a lot of gas ) and position tanks.

link0

United States1071 Posts

April 07 2010 20:16 GMT

I actually don't find vikings to be useful at all in TvT until I need to counter BC's. Vikings are only there to protect Banshees. Marines and a Thor or two (to stop banshee kiting) still stomp a banshee/viking army.

Floophead_III

United States1832 Posts

April 07 2010 20:24 GMT

On April 08 2010 05:16 link0 wrote:
I actually don't find vikings to be useful at all in TvT until I need to counter BC's. Vikings are only there to protect Banshees. Marines and a Thor or two (to stop banshee kiting) still stomp a banshee/viking army.

The OP is complaining about viking/tank, not viking/banshee. Marines are god awful vs tanks. Do not make marines in TvT if you can help it.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

April 07 2010 20:25 GMT

Thors, and get point defense drones if he has any marauders or thors of his own.

IMO.

ZidaneTribal

United States2800 Posts

April 07 2010 20:40 GMT

vikings are pretty damn terrible against tanks, marauders, or any other ground unit. so if your opponent invests too much into them u can completely skip starport tech and just make a bunch of factory/barrack units and overwhelm him. (i lost once by making too many viking and just got 1a'd by tanks)

link0

United States1071 Posts

April 07 2010 20:43 GMT

#10

On April 08 2010 05:24 Floophead_III wrote:

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The OP is complaining about viking/tank, not viking/banshee. Marines are god awful vs tanks. Do not make marines in TvT if you can help it.

My point was that viking + banshee isn't a very strong strategy in TvT on most maps.

And, why wouldn't you make marines? Sure tanks rape them, but tanks cost almost a 1:1 mineral/gas ratio. You need to build something with the excess. If they are going pure tanks, I'll build some marauders too.

Floophead_III

United States1832 Posts

April 07 2010 20:46 GMT

#11

My point is that you should invest in more turrets/expansions, not marines. Marines are completely freaking worthless except in rare circumstances.I'd take tanks vs M&M without dropships all day. The only thing going for M&M in TvT now is mobility with dropships, but vikings shut that down so honestly tank/viking is the way to play TvT.

Strelok

Ukraine320 Posts

April 07 2010 20:49 GMT

#12

On April 08 2010 05:40 ZidaneTribal wrote:
vikings are pretty damn terrible against tanks, marauders, or any other ground unit. so if your opponent invests too much into them u can completely skip starport tech and just make a bunch of factory/barrack units and overwhelm him. (i lost once by making too many viking and just got 1a'd by tanks)

If i skip starport tech - the opponent will ofc make banshee, not mass vikings.

Zurles

United Kingdom1659 Posts

April 07 2010 20:51 GMT

#13

On April 08 2010 05:49 3D.Strelok wrote:

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If i skip starport tech - the opponent will ofc make banshee, not mass vikings.

Or he can just camp the map and start making battle cruisers, which you then need to get vikings to kill, and he already has too many vikings so you will lose.

I seriously hate the fact that the only counter to the air is another air, it's stupid as hell.

Kare

Norway786 Posts

April 07 2010 20:56 GMT

#14

Thors definetly own banshee and vikings

DoomBacon

United States165 Posts

April 07 2010 20:56 GMT

#15

Thors and ravens. Thors out range vikings and kill them relatively well and point defense drones are excellent vs vikings. Additionally once his viking count is down It's pretty amusing to drop auto turrets right next to his tanks.

lololol

5198 Posts

April 07 2010 20:59 GMT

#16

So you need ravents to cast point defense drones to protect... the ravens?

Floophead_III

United States1832 Posts

April 07 2010 21:01 GMT

#17

The trick is to try to grab as much economy as you can with your ground force before he gets a substantial number of BCs out. If you let him take as many bases as you, you will probably lose. Turrets+PFs will do a good job of keeping expansions alive, and you can contain him with your ground army + turrets. Once the BCs start showing up you can have a ton of starports out and just mass a ridiculous number of vikings to overwhelm him, since he can't keep up with your production anymore.

Of course, it can be quite difficult to stop him from taking island expansions, so obviously viking to BC works better on some maps than others.

xnub

Canada610 Posts

April 07 2010 21:07 GMT

#18

if he goes striagth air mass marines or thors if he goes viks/tanks go more viks/tanks with banshess lol. if you go anything else ground the tanks ripe it apart

Jugan

United States1566 Posts

April 07 2010 21:20 GMT

#19

You honestly need only a few thors are have a good siege tank/marauder combo. If you have no air, he can't shoot it. A few well placed siege tanks can hold off tons of vikings... For example if he tries to cheese your base or something and you have a few tanks there, he will lose WAY too many vikings for it to be even remotely worth it. Not to mention he won't be able to stop your 'deathball' of thors, tanks, and marauders. Marines also work well too.