[D] TvP Mech or Bio? - Page 4

On February 28 2010 09:46 MorroW wrote:
MMM and thor and ghost

thor can freeze the colossus

ghost obviously destroy all shield but for most part nullify the hts

and then the MMM clean up the toss army

this is basically how im playing atm, doesnt work so well cause i didnt get good enough at micro/macro yet but i think its a pretty solid game plan

On February 28 2010 08:22 boaecho wrote:
Can anyone please give me a list of unit counter for me? say for example..

vikings >colossus

with all the protoss units ? I want to bookmark it . Thanks

On March 12 2010 07:27 PredY wrote:
i've been having some succes going biomech (not many games thought yet, maybe it will prove weak), that means MMM + tanks + hellions + emp, lately. i have won quite a lot of games with pure mech + emp too but air (phoenix + void ray) eats it :l

On March 12 2010 19:51 PredY wrote:


yeah my strat is 1rax, 1factory pressure expand. i build couple of marines, tech lab for marauders and hellions (you can get the upgrade or not, depends if you want quicker siege tanks). i move out with 2marines 2/3 marauders and 2/3 hellions. usually just to scare him so he stays back and waits for immortals (which he does anyways). meantime i begin my expo.

1st problem with this build - is when he moves out with 2 or sometimes 3 immortals. you have about 5marauders, some marines, 4 hellions, and a tank with siege. basically i immediately start building bunker or two, but even then the toss can eat you. i usually survive just so-so, either with me having advantage and killing all his units or him stalling me enough to get his expo and get ahead.
then i proceed to build more factories. i usually have 2 facts with tech lab and 1 with reactor, getting exp gas and build ghosts. now it depends on the maps, but try to harass with your hellions (even use dropship). when you got a nice force, try to get 3rd expo. if you macro well, tanks and hellions with well casted emps DEMOLISH EVERYTHING on the ground. the only answer to this is to overexpand and overmass the terran (but don't be too much greedy!!) or go air.

and air is the 2nd main problem of mech build. you gotta scan, scan a lot. i recently played white-ra and i didn't scan well enough and then about 6 phoenixes popped out with couple of void rays and i got demolished even though his ground died. i'm afraid putting too much resources into vikings will mean your ground is weak. and thors? phew. they build so long and die so quickly.

i think you need to go marines. thought i think from 2rax could be enough (with sheild and stimpack) and couple of medivacs.

anyway i could post some replays if you want and we could discuss it more. what do you think?

On March 12 2010 21:25 PredY wrote:
i saw artosis going mech and i heard most terrans on asia go mech in TvP.discuss!

On March 12 2010 21:42 dustdust wrote:

can someone confirm this?

On March 12 2010 21:25 PredY wrote:
i saw artosis going mech and i heard most terrans on asia go mech in TvP.
anyway here are the replays i promised: http://www.mediafire.com/?nezubwhimzd

games:
1. vs a decent toss that went zealot charge rush, i almost lost due to poor wall :l but shows mech and emp melts toss ground.
2. exactly what i described as "1st problem". - please discuss this one!
3. vs a good toss, almost lost like in the second, but held it off and raped him - discuss as well!
4. vs white-ra, lost to air ("2nd problem)
5. power of hellions!
6. tried to go biomech - vs Happy again, not bad but i think i had too many barax. will try to go only 2rax for some marines and more factories. - discuss!

On March 12 2010 02:43 See.Blue wrote:
I am not in Beta and have no key so I can't write you up a specific build order, but I would be enormously appreciative if you could test (or someone could theory-craft-shoot-down) a TvP Metal + Marauder/Ghost (w. Raven in lategame, gas permitting) build that would aim to approach the matchup similarly to standard SC:BW matches. The tanks, protected by salvageably, leapfrogging bunkers of marauders (with slowing attack) with ghosts on the front lines ready with EMP would give you map control, allowing yourself to slowly push the Protoss while simultaneously enabling you to take an extra expansion or two as seen fit by the player.

Premise
This build capitalizes on three things:

+ Tanks in SC2 have both higher DPS and greater range than their SC:BW counterparts (See this thread)

+ Ghosts with EMP absolutely annihilate Protoss forces, and, as icing on the cake, neutralize Immortal's special ability.

+ Bunker's are rapidly salvageable (I think for 100% return)

Strategy
The idea behind the build would be similar to Vulture + Mines + Tank from SC:BW. The major problems with this being effective in SC2 are generally thought to be lack of spider mines/vultures to deal with Zealots (particularly now sporting charge) and Immortals. To deal with this, I would love to see a Terran try to do the good old fashioned Tank line leapfrogging (preferably +1/ ) supported by a few scv's constructing bunkers (say 2-4 at any one given point in time, blocking off as much of the frontal approach to your tanks as possible). These would house marauders who would be aimed at keeping zealots/stalkers off of your tanks (their slowing attack would also probably give your tanks time to get an extra shot off. Either ravens or a flying barracks or something would be necessary to give you enough vision (particularly up cliffs) to prevent stalkers blink-bombing your tank line from out of sight/up cliffs. While setting up this push this would give the terran player time to expand; the only thing the T would have to be exceptionally careful of would be backstabs and protoss switching to air while his troops are committed to the tank line (ie from Warp Prisms or Colossi). However, with BW level scouting and perhaps even forgoing one MULE for a prescient scan mid-to-late game scan (which so far has been rarely seen in SC2), preventative measures could be taken in time to render any of these fairly ineffectual (a handful of vikings for example to deal with voidrays). Lategame, Ravens would probably be quite useful for autoturrent support/worker harassment and point-defense-drone (effectively D-Matrix) support for either your ground or viking force.

Conclusions
The main purpose of this build is to take away the Protoss' options both in terms of unit selection and map movement. This would be a micro/macro intensive build and would require constant scouting throughout to make sure the Protoss isn't committing to air (which is a winnable battle for the Terran if seen coming in advance, and would represent an enormous commitment for the Protoss) or trying to warp in DT into the opponents base. In fact a handful of 'patrol vikings' would probably be handy just to discourage warp prism/colossi cliff-walking shenanigans. In the end however, the Protoss is forced to try to break your marauder/tank/ghost line, which, with proper micro should hold against a food-equivalent Protoss ground force.

Feedback/thoughts?

Also, thanks again liquipedia guys for doing this!

On March 13 2010 03:34 PredY wrote:
the problem is you have nothing vs P air. i'd go marines instead of marauders, when you scan P air switch to vikings asap. like in this replay of mine: http://www.mediafire.com/?wznjzogmo2z