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monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
August 16 2014 19:32 GMT
#1
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August Flood is the first map I've finished in over a year. I intend on submitting it to the Map-ximum contest. Looking for any feedback people are willing to offer!

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Currently published on the America and Europe servers.
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Monitor
RFDaemoniac
Profile Joined September 2011
United States544 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-16 19:49:45
August 16 2014 19:48 GMT
#2
I really like how tight the tightest chokes are and how open the big areas on each side and corner are. I'm not sure how much I like the backdoor to the natural. I think it works really well as a backdoor, but later on it feels like it'd be quite awkward with that lower ground fourth. I almost wish it had defensive utility in the late mid game.
EDIT: Maybe moving the rocks a little closer to the high ground of the nat so that you could put some pressure on the units attacking the rocks by holding units back there? I'm not sure... /EDIT

I wonder if the skinny paths around the back of the corner bases will get much use for runbys. I could see them being largely ignored because of just how far away they are.

I appreciate how convoluted moving around the map is. Navigation requires consideration.

Why did you put LOSB on the small bridges? Is that to allow a player to be extra punishing by holding the middle?
IeZaeL
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
August 16 2014 20:10 GMT
#3
So nice , so good. This is the type of map i would like to do but i cant :/
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Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
August 16 2014 21:27 GMT
#4
I love the main base on the same height as the natural
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
August 16 2014 23:16 GMT
#5
You should change the name. September flood will be more appropriate if you win the Map-ximum contest
rly ?
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
August 17 2014 00:39 GMT
#6
I wonder if 4 gates would actually work on this map. It's the only "unusual" feature of this map, which is otherwise very standard but gorgeous too. I wonder if you couldn't put bases on the high grounds close to the xel'nagas too, it was probably a choice from you not to put some there, may I ask why ?
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
August 17 2014 01:32 GMT
#7
Yayyy, Monitorrr!

The rush distance looks just a tad bit close here, wiith the short distance between nats.

Might want to consider having a centrallish base so that a player can push 'towards' the others with their expansions.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 17 2014 05:38 GMT
#8
Yeah that main-nat setup is going to cause a ton of problems. Ignoring the obvious destruction of pvp, bunker rushes vs zerg are also likely to be incredibly broken (as bunkers should be able to wall that off). Just increase the height of the main and you have a really solid and interesting map. You already have a lot of good features on the map, no need to introduce another more or less well established broken feature to ruin the rest of the map!
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meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
August 17 2014 06:35 GMT
#9
Is the same-level-base feature still established as broken in HotS? I feel like it hasn't been explored as much since the end of WoL.
Be excellent to each other.
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
August 17 2014 07:46 GMT
#10
On August 17 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote:
Is the same-level-base feature still established as broken in HotS? I feel like it hasn't been explored as much since the end of WoL.

Seems like it would be ok in HotS since P can defend 4 gates with the nexus cannon. Just block the choke with unbuildable rocks to prevent bunker/pylon walls. That being said the main could easily be raised 1 level higher, just to be safe, there's no real reason why a flat choke is advantageous here.
vibeo gane,
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10402 Posts
August 17 2014 08:29 GMT
#11
map is super cool with all these run arounds and backdoors. i would like a wee bit more space in the 3rd. feels a bit small.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 17 2014 08:36 GMT
#12
On August 17 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote:
Is the same-level-base feature still established as broken in HotS? I feel like it hasn't been explored as much since the end of WoL.
We've had testing of it before, but it typically always comes back to balancing not breaking PvP and not breaking TvZ (via bunker rushes). This map probably would be playable PvP, but TvZ early game would be pretty stupid.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 17 2014 12:07 GMT
#13
Really nice map.
Just the choke point should be redesigned a little bit, so that it is blockable with 7spaces from the inside and outside. But I find it great that you try to do a same level main-nat setup. I think it combines well with the double-wide ramp at the natural.
Love the long "isolated" middle path with the two highgrounds on each end as well.
InfCereal
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1759 Posts
August 17 2014 12:39 GMT
#14
On August 17 2014 16:46 -NegativeZero- wrote:Just block the choke with unbuildable rocks to prevent bunker/pylon walls.


That would be interesting, but wouldn't it break walling off your own choke?
Cereal
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-17 20:54:00
August 17 2014 20:53 GMT
#15
Might be worth narrowing/removing this section [image loading]
Just to add even more strategic importance to the middle ground/high ground


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SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-18 10:21:37
August 18 2014 10:17 GMT
#16
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 18 2014 11:00 GMT
#17
On August 18 2014 19:17 SatedSC2 wrote:
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On August 17 2014 16:46 -NegativeZero- wrote:
On August 17 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote:
Is the same-level-base feature still established as broken in HotS? I feel like it hasn't been explored as much since the end of WoL.

Seems like it would be ok in HotS since P can defend 4 gates with the nexus cannon. Just block the choke with unbuildable rocks to prevent bunker/pylon walls. That being said the main could easily be raised 1 level higher, just to be safe, there's no real reason why a flat choke is advantageous here.

I've knocked GM players out of tournaments with 4 Gate builds. I almost beat NightEnD with one in the RBBG qualifier the other day. 4 Gate variants still work if the opponent doesn't scout what you're doing in time, and even then it can be difficult to hold with certain openings. All Photon Overcharge does is buy enough time for you to finish your tech building(s) and to get your own Warpgate research finished, but the 4 Gating player will still have a unit advantage once Photon Overcharge ends and so you can still die quite easily unless the tech you've gone for is Dark Templar. A single Immortal or Void Ray isn't going to overcome the ridiculous unit advantage a 4 Gate has. The most reliable way to stop a 4 Gate is and always will be Sentries preventing the opponent from getting up the ramp using Forcefields, and that obviously doesn't work if the opponent can warp-in across the Forcefield.

Not to mention that there are other viable Warpgate rushes such as the 10 Gate 3 Gate or the MVP 3 Gate to worry about.


You obviously have a massive knowledge advantage on that topic, but what I've seen in terms of 3gate attacks (haven't seen 4gate in quite some time) is that the defender usually gives up the ramp for free and retreats into nexus range and the attacker builds an offensive pylon in the main anyways.
Quidios
Profile Joined June 2013
Sweden74 Posts
August 18 2014 12:19 GMT
#18
Great job! As for the Main Choke, I recommend doing it like I've done on my map (3) Shrouded Harbor

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Rest of the gallery.

I have used panel doodads on the ground to indicate the unbuildable area and to make it intuitiv for the players.

I like the backdoor path and the map is a good variation of the "go around the middle"- type of maps.
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-18 12:47:47
August 18 2014 12:31 GMT
#19
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 18 2014 14:34 GMT
#20
I think the main differences are vision micro in the early game, for which it does make quite a difference. And that you are not wasting height levels just to get a ramp. Like the ledges left and right of the choke could not be created when the main base was already at maximum height.
Also, there are differences in choke length (you can create shorter and longer choke points when not using the standardized ramps as chokes) and alignment (you don't have to do diagonal ramps, but you can use horzontal/vertical chokes).
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