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My_Fake_Plastic_Luv
United States257 Posts
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Zergrusher
United States562 Posts
Instead of focusing on SC2's designs why not create your own RTS? you clearly have the knowedge. Get a project going with valve or something or start your own game company. It wouldn't surprise me if you guys create a really good RTS title if you put your minds to it. | ||
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topsecret221
United States108 Posts
On December 16 2012 15:26 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: Are you guys going to address map design? I notice the current blizzard maps all look more or less the same. 3 bases across the bottom or in the corner. I think different maps should produce more diversity in game play. Also I feel harassment has been nullified in many games because the position of the natural. Map design is something that may be addressed in the future... however, like iCCup back in Brood War, it is more likely that other map makers will create amazing maps that will be used in professional play, and we can utilize this in turn. Our primary concern is unit design and gameplay dynamics, and as such will be addressed in as many ways as we can manage before altering more fundamental things like economy and map design. On December 16 2012 15:37 Zergrusher wrote: I have 1 thing to say. Instead of focusing on SC2's designs why not create your own RTS? you clearly have the knowedge. Get a project going with valve or something or start your own game company. It wouldn't surprise me if you guys create a really good RTS title if you put your minds to it. ![[image loading]](http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/png/happy-oh-stop-it-you.png) | ||
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Zergrusher
United States562 Posts
On December 16 2012 16:07 topsecret221 wrote: Map design is something that may be addressed in the future... however, like iCCup back in Brood War, it is more likely that other map makers will create amazing maps that will be used in professional play, and we can utilize this in turn. Our primary concern is unit design and gameplay dynamics, and as such will be addressed in as many ways as we can manage before altering more fundamental things like economy and map design. I'm dead serious. Your group has all the makings of being a great RTS creator, and hey Valve and blizzard started from a group of people just like you guys, so please think about this. You guys have the knowedge, you have the connections, do something of your own. Dune,C&C,Warcraft,Starcraft,DOW,AOE, etc etc you get the point all were started by a group of people just like you guys, and look what happend  | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2435 Posts
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Zergrusher
United States562 Posts
On December 16 2012 16:46 Turbovolver wrote: It's really hard to envisage how all of these changes will play out together, especially in very competent hands. But, when reading over your proposed changes, I really found myself nodding along and agreeing with the greatest majority of them. Really, really good ideas! shame they were 2 years late  but yeah this group has talent, they better make someone great of it Think of this suggestion to sc2 they did as a start of something..... they realise there potential to do something great, and maybe, just maybe, they will create there own RTS. But instead of re-inventing a game and trying to make it BW again(the common argument to bring back units etc etc you have all heard it before) why not solve the games current issues and have ideas to make it better? I can certainly do that and know how to do that., I just need a chance. | ||
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ItWhoSpeaks
United States362 Posts
On December 16 2012 17:02 Zergrusher wrote: shame they were 2 years late but yeah this group has talent, they better make someone great of it Think of this suggestion to sc2 they did as a start of something..... they realise there potential to do something great, and maybe, just maybe, they will create there own RTS. But instead of re-inventing a game and trying to make it BW again(the common argument to bring back units etc etc you have all heard it before) why not solve the games current issues and have ideas to make it better? For my part, I will be kickstartering a competitive card/board game hybrid later this year. I have every intention of designing games, competitive or otherwise. The issue is getting into the industry. You have to prove you are someone who actually has the discipline to make meh ideas into great ideas. That means walking the walk and having a portfolio. | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
We don't know what the future holds, but I am hopeful. And I know working this project (OneGoal) is not only going to hopefully help my favorite game, but give me critical experience to deliver an awesome game and esport. As for mapmaking, we've looked into it. We don't plan on changing maps, unless we do fundamental changes to the economy like LaLuSh was talking about. But we were very aware of the demands our unit changes might put on map design -- I practiced map making a lot about a year ago, made about 12 terrible maps and 1 mediocre one, learning enough to know what a good map needs but not the actually ability to implement it. It did help a lot though with making sure our unit design didn't put extra strain on the already extremely demanding modern map making. | ||
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ItWhoSpeaks
United States362 Posts
On December 16 2012 15:26 My_Fake_Plastic_Luv wrote: Are you guys going to address map design? I notice the current blizzard maps all look more or less the same. 3 bases across the bottom or in the corner. I think different maps should produce more diversity in game play. Also I feel harassment has been nullified in many games because the position of the natural. When we settle on unit relationships we will explore different maps. It is totally on our list, along with FRB. | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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ItWhoSpeaks
United States362 Posts
On December 16 2012 18:32 nojok wrote: It's the first time in about a year I consider buying hots, just to play this mod. This isn't just any mod, this is a community PTR. Our goal is to submit data to blizzard to show how the game could be improved. | ||
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Kryt0s
Germany209 Posts
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Zergrusher
United States562 Posts
On December 16 2012 18:33 ItWhoSpeaks wrote: This isn't just any mod, this is a community PTR. Our goal is to submit data to blizzard to show how the game could be improved. But when it comes to the current state of SC2 and HOTS I know what needs to be done, as a whole, and its really really simple to do. This PTR thing would have been great in 2010 but right now the ships quite in the sea. IF anything You guys, the Starbow guys, and the SC2:BW guys should team up and work together. now THAT could be a amazing sc2 mod with all those good minds working together. | ||
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topsecret221
United States108 Posts
On December 17 2012 02:43 Zergrusher wrote: IF anything You guys, the Starbow guys, and the SC2:BW guys should team up and work together. now THAT could be a amazing sc2 mod with all those good minds working together. I disagree. Maverick, Kabel, and us have a very similar goal: to make StarCraft 2 function more appropriately like Brood War, because Brood War was more fun, both to watch and to play. The thing is, we all have very different ways of going about this goal. Maverick doesn't believe that StarCraft II is a worthy successor to Brood War in any way, and therefore wants to change the fundamentals, mechanics, and pathing of this game to match our favorite. His mod is very well polished and incredibly fun. Kabel acknowledges that some of the mechanics and units of the sequel are appropriate to keep, but since unit design and the underlying economy are flawed, a lot of things need to be reverted back to Brood War, such as replacing the thor with the goliath, adding in the swarm host, and making all the protoss units gold. His mod is quite unique and incredibly enjoyable to watch However, OneGoal still holds the prospect of hope that StarCraft 2 has serious potential, but simply made a few key mistakes that we feel we could change for the better (see: Tier 1.5 Hydralisks, 2 supply Siege Tanks, redesigned Void Ray). We have tried to make the smallest changes to the fundamentals, focusing primarily on improving unit design, in hopes that Blizzard would notice us and implement some of our changes to better improve both unit identity and counterplay in the game. So, while it would be nice to see a mod with all of the best ideas from some of the best melee mod makers, I don't foresee it happening any time soon. | ||
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JohnGreggor
Canada148 Posts
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topsecret221
United States108 Posts
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TopRamen
United States96 Posts
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Zaurus
Singapore676 Posts
I hardly see anybody in the channel although i want to play | ||
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
Oh , and , seeing the first post , all changes are beautiful ! | ||
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RoyMadman
United States18 Posts
The ravens recovery drones are super fun. and a maxed army of 2 supply seige tanks spread across the map is fairly terrifying looking, so I really like both those changes. I didnt really play with toss or zerg but from what I read they seem fun too Keep it up and I will try to get on and play some games with it later | ||
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