[M] (2) ESV Odd-Eye AE

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Timetwister22

United States538 Posts

July 27 2012 08:46 GMT

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ESV Odd-Eye AE
Part of the ESV Anniversary Map Pack

Published on NA EU KR SEA
By TImetwister22
V 1.0

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Playable: 144x144

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Bel'Shir Grass Light
Bel'Shir Grass Dark
Bel'Shir Dirt Dark
Aiur Dirt
Aiur Grunge
Shakuras Hexitiles
Shakuras Brick

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None yet.

As always, feedback is more than welcome

Fluid

Canada136 Posts

July 27 2012 08:52 GMT

The main is kinda big, might give an advantage to toss since they can hide tech easily.

This looks like a good map for HotS, the bridges can be controlled by widow mines.

The way it's set up though it seems kinda asymmetrical, you should rotate the entrance of the bottom base.

Semmo

Korea (South)627 Posts

July 27 2012 08:58 GMT

OH CRAP. I made a map that's almost exact as this... T.T Because Well, this is from Odd Eyes as well.

People said this kind of layout is not necesarily good in sc2, although it was good in sc1 (they were reliable people).

Well, I'm a really sad puppy

ScorpSCII

Denmark499 Posts

July 27 2012 08:58 GMT

Really cool map, both gameplay-wise and aesthetics. Looking forward to seeing games on this.

Ragoo

Germany2773 Posts

July 27 2012 10:09 GMT

I like how in this map it's not like 1-2 neutral bases are contested but after your third you literally decide, do I want the left three bases or the right three bases. And both halfs are very different yet I don't see any clear advantages generally speaking, so it depends on your style/race/strategy what you want to do and which side to grab.

Very nice adaptation and good execution as always, would love to see it being played in ESV Weekly.

Yonnua

United Kingdom2331 Posts

July 27 2012 10:13 GMT

One of the problems I see with this map is that Terran and Protoss can effectively "checkmate" a Zerg player with the fourth base. Zerg will always take their fourth first, and if the Terran or Protoss just expands in the same direction the rush distances are so short that they can cripple the zerg's new expand while easily defending their own.

dezi

Germany1536 Posts

July 27 2012 11:45 GMT

I liked this one in BW but not sure if it actually plays out that good in SC2 - might 4ths might be to close nearby - would give it a shot though. Thx for publishing on EU already

AssyrianKing

Australia2117 Posts

July 27 2012 13:54 GMT

Beautiful looking map

RumbleBadger

322 Posts

July 27 2012 16:10 GMT

On July 27 2012 19:13 Yonnua wrote:
One of the problems I see with this map is that Terran and Protoss can effectively "checkmate" a Zerg player with the fourth base. Zerg will always take their fourth first, and if the Terran or Protoss just expands in the same direction the rush distances are so short that they can cripple the zerg's new expand while easily defending their own.

Yeah, I was gonna comment on this too. It seems that zergs always get shafted in this style of symmetry, because it's very hard to make a map like this where you can expand away from your opponent. The opponent can always just expand the same way and shrink the rush distance to essentially zero.

Ragoo

Germany2773 Posts

July 27 2012 16:16 GMT

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I don't think that's a problem. For the fourth Zerg doesn't have to commit to one. They can easily take one on both sides and then abandon one if it gets in trouble or just start a hatch on the fourth they did't take the moment they see toss/terra trying to expand towards them.

OxyGenesis

United Kingdom281 Posts

July 27 2012 16:39 GMT

#11

On July 28 2012 01:16 Ragoo wrote:
I don't think that's a problem. For the fourth Zerg doesn't have to commit to one. They can easily take one on both sides and then abandon one if it gets in trouble or just start a hatch on the fourth they did't take the moment they see toss/terra trying to expand towards them.

I agree, I think it will work a bit like cloud kingdom in that way. It would be a problem if it was the 3rd but its not too bad for the 4th. Incidentally Nullcurrent already did a remake of odd eye but didn't release it.

FlaShFTW

United States10470 Posts

July 27 2012 16:42 GMT

#12

Inb4 this map crashes due to power outage.

Terran PFs are going to be super strong at those bottom left corner bases, especially the corner. otherwise, this map looks amazing. very well put together!

neobowman

Canada3324 Posts

July 27 2012 16:51 GMT

#13

Good job on the symmetry work. Granted, it's harder to do in BW but this still looks tough to do. Think this map works really well in SC2.

EatThePath

United States3943 Posts

July 27 2012 16:52 GMT

#14

<3 odd-eye. <3 timetwister.

Sort of a standard treatment but it still looks quite good. I'd like it better if there was smaller (or no) lowground grass path that loops around the tower below the SW highground pods.

NewSunshine

United States5938 Posts

July 27 2012 19:13 GMT

#15

I like how all the mineral lines are exactly the same :D

Fatam

1986 Posts

July 27 2012 22:39 GMT

#16

They don't really have to be exactly the same, just need to have the same # of "back" or "far away" mineral patches. 2 back patches per base seems to be the most common setup.

Cool map, although I think the excess/spread of all those protoss decals is kind of distracting and isn't pretty. Maybe that's just me though.

monitor

United States2409 Posts

July 30 2012 05:07 GMT

#17

On July 28 2012 04:13 NewSunshine wrote:
I like how all the mineral lines are exactly the same :D

Great observation haha, I didn't even notice until now.

About the map: I love the creative way that it has "circle syndrome" but you choose which way and then each player gets a cluster of 3 bases. The top right are all lowground with fewer entrances and the bottom left are highground with more entrances in general. I can't wait to see how it plays out!

To comment on the discussion earlier, I don't think that Zerg will have too hard of a time taking the fourth. It would be nearly impossible for T/P to take the fourth near the zerg at that point because the distance would be too close that the game would end before the base could be held.

Zerg.Zilla

Hungary5029 Posts

July 30 2012 05:30 GMT

#18

Now that's what i call a gorgeous map...would love to try it out.

DoA

Korea (South)599 Posts

July 31 2012 20:48 GMT

#19

Bumping this because it's today's map on Cartographer! ...that is if the 1.5 patch issues get sorted out. Otherwise it'll be next week!

Ideally though Timetwister will be joining me at 3pm PST on twitch.tv/ignproleague to talk about this map and map-making in general! Cross your fingers!

Fearlezz

Croatia176 Posts

July 31 2012 21:39 GMT

#20

Looking forward to it!

Fatam

1986 Posts

August 02 2012 11:42 GMT

#21

I keep looking at this and imagining it without the protoss decals and it looks so much better. Keep the large tiling in the mains with the teal outlining though cuz that looks good. You would probably have to do some texturing or something at the other bases as they would look a tad plain then, but still.

sorrowptoss

Canada1431 Posts

August 02 2012 12:17 GMT

#22

Well, already, there's something wierd about the junction between the natural and the third... that tight bridge. What I'm saying is that in ZvP if Z decides to take an early third (95% of the time) and P decides to do a timing push with sentries (75% of the time) and places 2 FFs on that bridge, suddenly it's really hard to defend. It's kind of similar to Entombed Valley where there is only a tight ridge that separates de third from the natural, in my opinion whatever links those two bases should generally be larger ( 3 FFs imo ).

The rest of the map is fine. I like the circle thingies

. Looks like south from the natural there's a potential 4th or 5th base, on a high ground, seems interesting from Terran to make slow pushes on it towards Zerg's natural, just like Ohana LE (but not into the third). I like the paths that Terran can take to drop into the main base (there are 2 paths, unlike some bad maps that only have 1 or even non) and/or into the natural and third. Really neat placement.

SidianTheBard

United States2475 Posts

August 08 2012 02:34 GMT

#23

Did the Cartographer thing ever happen or was it delayed cuz of 1.5?

NewSunshine

United States5938 Posts

August 08 2012 02:47 GMT

#24

On August 08 2012 11:34 SidianTheBard wrote:
Did the Cartographer thing ever happen or was it delayed cuz of 1.5?

I actually just started watching it, HERE

- http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/326943910

SidianTheBard

United States2475 Posts

August 08 2012 03:01 GMT

#25

On August 08 2012 11:47 NewSunshine wrote:

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I actually just started watching it, HERE

- http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/326943910

Thank you!

Now, let's hope it's amazing!

Existor

Russian Federation4295 Posts

December 02 2014 20:50 GMT

#26

I really like this map because of combination of gross and natur with sci-fi grey and stone landscape. Here are my suggestions to this map:

1. Replace that dark-cyan line divider between gross and grey textures with something different. Something like this (photoshoped):

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2. Remove cyan protoss decals and add more neon and sci-fi elements as doodads and decorations around grey zones

3. Make gross texture more smooth and probably A BIT brighter. Right now there is a problem, which is similar to Yeonsu first textures, which were very sharp and hard for eyes. .

4. Add glowing cyan walls to the main and all grey bases too.

Onekobold

244 Posts

December 02 2014 21:00 GMT

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