[M] (2) 6m1hyg Arrival

On March 20 2012 19:48 Chargelot wrote:
Playing as Terran, my natural CC would be planted in my main, and would fly to the base protected by rocks. Other than that, I really like this map. Numerous semi-risky expansions after the natural force the player to be more active on the map, which I suppose is kinda the point of 6m.

I recall a time when gimmicky things were done to maps, and I recall a time when standards were followed to the letter. I feel like you took these two things by their throats, and smashed them into one another until they began to make a single amorphous creature, which compliments everyone on their appearance and has breath that is always minty.

On March 20 2012 19:50 TehTemplar wrote:
Do the HYG have 5k or 2.5k?

Will probably end up making each HYG have 4000 gas instead of 2500.

On March 21 2012 00:56 Zandar wrote:


Why not 2 normal ones but 25% further away from the base.

Yes, hyg = 2500 gas, not 5000.

For now I am trying to counteract this by having double-gas expansions in the late game. I've been working this out, it's really hard to come to a solution without changing stats. Will probably end up making each HYG have 4000 gas instead of 2500.

On March 21 2012 12:47 VictorJones wrote:
I would plant a creep tumor on the floatable expansion to make it a little less terran float friendly but still possible with some creativity

On March 21 2012 15:02 EatThePath wrote:


Oh that seems like a good way to prevent major abuse. Forgot about that, thanks. ;D

On March 21 2012 18:05 Surili wrote:


Or you could put rocks there with like 100 hp or something similar, or maybe go BW style and have minerals with maybe 50 in them that you have to mine out before it can be used. Obviously the mule mechanic has altered the way this can be effective somewhat, but if it were done in such a way that there was absolutely nowhere on the island that the CC could land without mining it out, and you raised the level to say 65, suddenly it would cost 3 mules to take it down, which feels fair enough, or maybe set it to 40, so that a warpprism/overlord/medivac full of workers can mine it out in exactly 1 trip, but still costing 2 mules if you want to do it that way in the early game (where on a 6 min map ~600 minerals early on is HUGE, especially in a FE build.

On March 21 2012 20:15 maybenexttime wrote:


Can't you load up to 5 SCVs to a CC and unload them while still lifted?

On March 21 2012 20:40 cristo1122 wrote:



what you could do as well would to make it a high yeild as mules dont take extra from them it would allow z and P to mine it promptly while not being t imbalanced

On March 21 2012 20:59 Surili wrote:


Yes you can, but then you won't be able to return the minerals for the second time, that is part of the reason i wanted 40 minerals and not 25.


This would be a genius idea, but the numbers don't really add up in any useful way... watch:

5x7 (hym) = 35 minerals = 2 mule trips = 5 scvs in a CC = 5 workers in a transport.
As warpprisms and overlords carry 8 anyway, it isn't a huge deal over making them high yield or not, as for T not to have a large advantage you need at least to make it require 6 trips, in which case it might well be 8.

That said, we could still do it that way, and make it 6 trips, it would still make it slightly easier for P and Z.

The other thing is that they could drop a mule and say 2 workers to mine it out with only a single mule, which is only ~300 minerals. This is slightly outweighed by the fact that it forces the terran to leave the CC as a CC until it lands, slowing down it's effectiveness slightly.

On March 21 2012 20:15 maybenexttime wrote:


Can't you load up to 5 SCVs to a CC and unload them while still lifted?

On March 21 2012 15:02 EatThePath wrote:


Oh that seems like a good way to prevent major abuse. Forgot about that, thanks. ;D

On March 22 2012 04:29 Reeevolt wrote:
Good to see people backing this idea. Hope it takes off.

Also, is your username a reference to Marathon?

I have addressed the issue of flying CC to the semi-island by introducing a timed out expo blockade. One hostile spine crawler attacks two alternate player hives (stacked on top of each other) until they are both dead, and then the lack of creep kills the spine. Thus, the site is initially blocked and indeed guarded by a spine, which will attack players' units. After about 6 minutes the hives are dead and the spine is at partial health from the broodlings attacking it. After about 7 minutes the creep is gone and the spine has died.

On March 25 2012 22:53 S1eth wrote:
Have you thought about the effects the island could have from an attacker's perspective?
In this post, I will assume that the defender spawns at the 10 o'clock position.

The main is pretty small with space for only 27.7 CCs, so I expect Terrans and Protoss to fill all that space with buildings.

For Terran attackers:
The island seems to provide an excellent spot to shell the opponent's main (production facilities) with siege tank fire while being protected by the rocks. A protoss player's zealots for example cannot attack the siege tanks. A terran's army must take heavy splash damage and can only attack the closest tanks (and only if the tanks don't have any army support). Zerg can't do anything .

If the defender takes the island himself, the Terran can savely siege the island from 8 o'clock base.

For Protoss attackers:
Blink stalkers can blink from the 8 o'clock base to the island, from the island to the main (without even the need for an observer), from the main back to the island or the low ground base. Basically, the Protoss player can travel between and attack 3 bases with just one mouse click whereas the defender (if he isn't Protoss and going for blink stalkers) must travel ~20 seconds to reach the other side.
The same applies to some extent to Colossi.