[M] (2) Emerald Steel - Page 2

On March 19 2012 21:40 Akinokaze wrote:Hm, I like your alternative The side ramp being just out of tower range is an excellent change, I don't believe sneaking by was possible in 2.0c (correct me if I'm wrong). The tower change for the attacker is a little bit debatable as you've now opened up a new path into the third, but I think some testing is needed before any changes are made.

On March 22 2012 08:52 madhyene wrote:I don't know if what i see is updated or not, but i think that the third expansion is just terrible. Imagine tanks siege up in range of your natural's exit, or a protoss comes in and forcefields the ramp.

On March 22 2012 08:52 madhyene wrote:Also, i don't know if you access the main from the high grounds behind the main, but if you can, reapers are going to be imba on this map. Keep in mind this is from a zerg's point of view.

On March 22 2012 10:26 iTzSnypah wrote:This map just feels too large with a few key chokes. I feel that the 3rd is situated in the main attack path. This in itself is not bad, however the area around the 3rd is vast, proving to be a good staging ground for a light contain. I would think that placing the 3rd on high ground would make it more defendable.

red = highground bounds
blue = ramps
greyish-blue = area that would have to be added to keep the area from being too much of a choke

On March 22 2012 10:26 iTzSnypah wrote:How do you make it so organic cliffs can be right next to manmade cliffs? whenever I try to do that it just pushes the manmade cliffs away? btw ima newb at the editor lol

On March 22 2012 22:58 Baumvieh wrote:
I think the extra path won't be too much of a problem because it is very narrow and due to the searchlight doodads, bigger units can't take that new path but yes, test-games will have to show whether it's ok.

On March 22 2012 22:58 Baumvieh wrote:
How are those two scenarios a problem specific to this map? I think that well placed forcefields and siegetanks will always be a problem for zerg. The tanks though could be taken out with some mutalisks.
I really don't know though, should map design be tailored specifically to disallow valid in-game tactics (like containment)? Is that really impossible to counter here?

On March 22 2012 22:58 Baumvieh wrote:

Thanks for that suggestion and for taking the time to illustrate it (diagrams and drawings always help ). I'm currently in the middle of decorating and texturing though, so I won't immediately go on to make any terrain changes at this point.

Also, if I placed the third on high ground, that would open a cliff walk path right into the main, so the high ground for the third would have to be offset a bit, to keep a small gap between that and the main high ground... hm... I'll think about that some more; it could probably work with that gap if the main would be made a bit smaller.

But wouldn't a third on high ground be even easier to deny by the enemy in this case?
I'd rather keep it on low ground and improve the defense possibilities by other means if it's really still too hard to hold.

On March 24 2012 20:26 derfium wrote:
This map looks very cool but i think you have not any chance go get up the choke to natural if tanks stay on the high-ground of first.

On April 01 2012 15:06 Akinokaze wrote:
Would be glad to, just send me a PM

I actually have a map that I've been working on for over a year that I'm still not happy with lol. I work on it for a day or two every couple of months or so before getting discouraged by my lack or artistic skills

On April 03 2012 03:37 XenoX101 wrote:
This would be okay without destructible rocks, in general though I feel it is too cramped and restrictive of the flow of gameplay. I also can't think of any way this map would benefit zerg while I can think of many ways that Protoss or Terran could abuse the geography. I would probably suggest removing the two 'wells' where all the ramps converge downward and repositioning the watch towers so they are a bit less intrusive/provide more open space. Aesthetics are great, solid colour scheme and very unique theme with the lavender and green hues.

On April 03 2012 05:47 Adonminus wrote:
Beautiful work, well done.

About FFE, I notice that you can do a wall adjacent to nexus safer to early ling runbys and a wall closer to ramp safer against mid game attacks, just like in antiga shipyard.

The positions of the 3rd and 4th encourage macro play, while still have multiple attack path or wide entrances so that the enemy could punish too greedy play.

The center design feels a bit unfortable for engagements with the vision blocks and chocky entrances. I'm not sure if it's good or bad, but I think it can disencourage those a-move battles in the middle, and lead to fights in more open areas like near the 4th.

On April 03 2012 21:05 Baumvieh wrote:
Thank you for your comment. I will have to think about those issues you mentioned. I don't know if it's really too cramped though, I specifically kept all ramps past the natural pretty wide and there is a lot of open space on the map (it might not look like it on the overview but oddly enough, in-game everything feels very open and huge) so Zerg can work their creep spread magic to get a speed advantage almost everywhere. Any Zerg players want to comment on that (try to be unbiased) or think of some good zerg strategies on this map?

On April 03 2012 21:05 Baumvieh wrote:
So, anyone else played the map yet? I'd really like to see/publish the replays here.

Meanwhile, I have two replays for anyone bored enough to watch (me vs VeryHard AI Protoss and me vs Mojo Zerg). Feel free to comment on the map and on my play too as I'm only Bronze and I always seek to improve:
Emerald Steel v0.2 - Baumvieh(T) v AI VeryHard(P)
Emerald Steel v0.2 - Baumvieh(T) v Mojo(Z)

Also, if you would like to play against me(on EU), I usually hang out in #sc2maps and #taketv on quakenet IRC.

On April 04 2012 00:56 Veloh15 wrote:
I would suggest putting the 3rd away from the natural. That way the natural can be attacked without walking past the 3rd. Making only 1 entrance to a base makes for bad gameplay. The 3rd should be away from opponent imho and safe to take, but it should have 2 attack paths leading to it. Depending on how defensible the 3rd is, and how easy the 4th is. The answer is not always easy. Antiga has a very hard 4th. And is still and excellent map. Also I think that there is too much empty space and the map needs to swell up a little. Looks great keep up the good work!