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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 14 2012 06:24 GMT
#21
On January 14 2012 13:41 Plexa wrote:
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On January 14 2012 12:41 neobowman wrote:
Okay, I'll do that stuff in the next version. I'll try to have it out tomorrow.

well at the moment there is only one player slot and hence unplayable

Sorry bout that. Fixed on NA. EU will be fixed tomorrow as well as new update.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
January 14 2012 11:16 GMT
#22
On January 14 2012 09:47 iGrok wrote:
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On January 14 2012 08:52 Tofugrinder wrote:
PLEASE change the name of the map. Blitzkrieg is just an god damn aweful name and quite many people are offended by using a terrible war for such purpose!

Change it to Rape.
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Grow up.

1. learn about the history and what Blitzkrieg stands for
2. learn why using the word rape in gamers context is bad
3. try again posting.
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
January 14 2012 13:27 GMT
#23
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lefix
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1082 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-14 13:48:11
January 14 2012 13:47 GMT
#24
the word/strategy was kind of popularized by the nazis and it is somewhat linked to the invasion of poland.
it isn't as bad as naming the map hitler, but at least in germany alot of people are easily offended by anything named after anything related to the nazi era. same goes for holocaust, gas chambers, work/concentration camps, etc.

as for myself. i don't care. i know it wasn't meant to sound offensive in any way. so let's not derail this thread
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Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
January 14 2012 15:56 GMT
#25
On January 14 2012 22:47 lefix wrote:
the word/strategy was kind of popularized by the nazis and it is somewhat linked to the invasion of poland.
it isn't as bad as naming the map hitler, but at least in germany alot of people are easily offended by anything named after anything related to the nazi era. same goes for holocaust, gas chambers, work/concentration camps, etc.

as for myself. i don't care. i know it wasn't meant to sound offensive in any way. so let's not derail this thread


Yes, when you here Blitzkrieg you think about WW2 and especially the invasion of Poland.
The vast majority of Germans try not to be related to this stuff whatsoever and would rather not have anything named with Nazi terminology. Also we have a bit of a bad relationship with Poland cos of WW2 and that first "Blitzkrieg" so I'm not sure if the Polish community likes it either.

As I said I personally don't care, I don't believe in political correctness to this degree. But be aware that many people can be offended by this (and maybe tournaments will not allow this name, especially German tournaments).
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 14 2012 20:02 GMT
#26
http://www.justin.tv/neobowman

Streaming work on the map. I'll be putting in all the edits for the next version here.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 14 2012 21:11 GMT
#27
New version up. Did the whole thing while streaming so you can check out the video in the link in my previous post.

Changelog:
-Moved bottom third a bit further from natural and increased the size of its choke points a bit.
-Changed textures
-Removed two center expansions and made one in the middle
-Modified center highground design
-Made fifth base cliffs unpathable
-Increased size of the big middle ramps by 1 each.
-Anything else I missed

I'm thinking of adding an island base between the mains. Please tell me what you think about that.
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
January 14 2012 23:15 GMT
#28
On January 15 2012 06:11 neobowman wrote:
I'm thinking of adding an island base between the mains. Please tell me what you think about that.


Since you expand towards your opponent with the last base on bottom, an island would probably be a good alternative for Zerg. If you block it a bit at least, so Terran can' get there early, have a free base and spam turrets.

I like the other changes, looking forward to see this map being played : )
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 15 2012 18:08 GMT
#29
You should make the lower ground at 6 o'clock bigger.
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 15 2012 18:54 GMT
#30
On January 16 2012 03:08 TehTemplar wrote:
You should make the lower ground at 6 o'clock bigger.

I'd do that, but then you can hit the CC/hatc/Nexus at the 6 base with tanks.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
February 04 2012 19:30 GMT
#31
New update. I touched up deco a bit. Don't expect too much. I opened up the mid-level choke in the middle and pushed back the high ground further and opened everything up a bit more. I also moved the watch tower down so it can't watch the small choke anymore, but it can still see all the movement that goes through the mid-level area.
Taktik
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland680 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 20:39:39
February 04 2012 20:38 GMT
#32
I was quite suprised by name "Blitzkrieg" I was like oh noe here we go again... In general people out of Europe will see nothing bad about it, some europeans will be upset or disturbed but in the end no one will give a big fuck about it I guess. Luckily U are canadian so no big deal, however there is sooo much to choose from when naming a map I just would like to see less history more starcraft plz ^^
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5656 Posts
February 04 2012 21:16 GMT
#33
On January 15 2012 00:56 Ragoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 22:47 lefix wrote:
the word/strategy was kind of popularized by the nazis and it is somewhat linked to the invasion of poland.
it isn't as bad as naming the map hitler, but at least in germany alot of people are easily offended by anything named after anything related to the nazi era. same goes for holocaust, gas chambers, work/concentration camps, etc.

as for myself. i don't care. i know it wasn't meant to sound offensive in any way. so let's not derail this thread


Yes, when you here Blitzkrieg you think about WW2 and especially the invasion of Poland.
The vast majority of Germans try not to be related to this stuff whatsoever and would rather not have anything named with Nazi terminology. Also we have a bit of a bad relationship with Poland cos of WW2 and that first "Blitzkrieg" so I'm not sure if the Polish community likes it either.

As I said I personally don't care, I don't believe in political correctness to this degree. But be aware that many people can be offended by this (and maybe tournaments will not allow this name, especially German tournaments).


I don't think many people in Poland are offended when someone uses that word. I think we mostly associate it with the invasion of France here, because we put up more of a fight than the French while being attacked by two superpowers nearly simultaneously.


On February 05 2012 05:38 Taktik wrote:
I was quite suprised by name "Blitzkrieg" I was like oh noe here we go again... In general people out of Europe will see nothing bad about it, some europeans will be upset or disturbed but in the end no one will give a big fuck about it I guess. Luckily U are canadian so no big deal, however there is sooo much to choose from when naming a map I just would like to see less history more starcraft plz ^^


This is a remake of a BW map named the same way. Was he supposed to call it Crossfire 2? ;p
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10234 Posts
February 04 2012 23:53 GMT
#34
I really don't know what you guys are saying about "the small choke not mattering". It could be extremely useful for flanking or backstabbing as zerg.

The map looks good. Kinda looks like a forced top spawn on Shakuras. Great map!
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
February 05 2012 02:33 GMT
#35
I think we mean that the fact that it is a small choke where big units can't pass doesn't matter.
SigmaFiE
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States333 Posts
February 06 2012 23:43 GMT
#36
A question for purposes of learning Neo --

In brief, can you explain how you made the small choke usuable by non-large units (I'm assuming that the choke is 1 - 2 cells wide) -- I struggle with shaving off single cell areas on terrain so I'm curious if it is only 1 cell wide how you did that.
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
February 07 2012 00:00 GMT
#37
The only thing you need to do is make sure there's only one grid of pathable ground between the space and the high ground. Pretty easy to do if you enable the grid in the map editor and/or enable pathing view.
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