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Hello fellow TL's and mapmakers!
I was about to start a new project when it hit me, what exactly is the best eyecandy to look at in terms of tileset? The colors shouldn't distract from the action (when spectating, or playing) but they need to add something to the game that makes the alien (or urban?) world feel real. The strategic aspect is of no importance here, since each tileset offers (mostly) the same oppertunities.
So, what tileset would you like to see the most for the upcoming ladder maps (both 1v1 and 2v2)?
Poll: What tileset do you like most as a tournament spectator?Jungle (Agria / Haven / Bel'Shir / Zhakul'Das (23) 29% Urban (Korhal / Tyrador / Aiur / Tarsonis) (14) 18% Xil / Mar Sara / Port Zion / Shakuras / Typhon (Wasteland) (14) 18% Ulaan (Underground Cave) (7) 9% Ulnar (Worldship) (5) 6% Char / New Folsom / Redstone (Volcanic) (4) 5% Meinhoff/ Monlyth/ Valhalla (Lunar) (4) 5% A combination of the above ... (post tileset) (4) 5% Avernus / Braxis Alpha / Castanar (Space Platform) (3) 4% 78 total votes Your vote: What tileset do you like most as a tournament spectator? (Vote): Jungle (Agria / Haven / Bel'Shir / Zhakul'Das
(Vote): Urban (Korhal / Tyrador / Aiur / Tarsonis)
(Vote): Avernus / Braxis Alpha / Castanar (Space Platform)
(Vote): Char / New Folsom / Redstone (Volcanic)
(Vote): Meinhoff/ Monlyth/ Valhalla (Lunar)
(Vote): Xil / Mar Sara / Port Zion / Shakuras / Typhon (Wasteland)
(Vote): Ulnar (Worldship)
(Vote): Ulaan (Underground Cave)
(Vote): A combination of the above ... (post tileset)
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By far Mar Sara and Xil. These two tilesets are just so awesome!
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Wasteland was called 'dull' by one of my testers on 'Black Canals' So I decided to start this poll on getting a different, possibly more popular tileset  .
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i thoroughly enjoy working with ulaan and mar sara
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i would say every bright tileset with good and clear lighting, mar sara, bel'shir and tarsonis.
And mar sara is the best overall.
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Ye, proper lighting seems to be a very important aspect of tournament matches. Though some player colors (like dark brown and purple) can mess with some, shakuras and ulaan seem still fine although considered 'dark'.
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I like the lighting on space platforms quite a bit. Not really biased with the tilesets overall, I think any of them can be used well and seems good in that case. I probably like Mar Sara the best, though.
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Anything but Belshir... Please.
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your Country52797 Posts
Korhal.
Anything but Belshir... Please.
^^
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I appreciate desert and greenery.
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Any title set. It all depends on how they are used.
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jungle and wasteland are my fav but i dont really care about the rest
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I think a lot of results may be skewed, because right now Bel'Shir is the easiest to make look good. However, I feel like all of the tilesets can be equally amazing if they are lush with doodads and have precise texturing.
That being said, right now I think I enjoy Jungle maps because of the trees.
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Jungle seems to be winning, I'm not really surprised to be honest. The amount of things that can be done to modify a jungle are much more numerous than the wasteland variables. There are only so many interesting wasteland doodadds while it rains tons of doodadds in jungle terrain.
For clarity of battles I do feel that Shakuras and Zhakul'Das are a bit too dark (purple zerg can be hard to spot, since I am colorblind).
Keep the votes coming, I will start a new map soon.
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Zhakul'Das and Ulaan are my favourites by a country mile. Espcialy Zhakul'das. It's a versatile set.
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It's really hard to decide, but why do so many vote on jungle? I can't see that anymore... aside from the glorious Bel'Shir Beach of course. :3
No more Ulaan as well plz.
We need a new desert map. A lava-only map would be nice too. Then a second urban, metal needs a little sister. =)
And then with HotS there will be nothing but ice-maps for a while.^^
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On October 17 2011 20:05 LunaSaint wrote:
Zhakul'Das and Ulaan are my favourites by a country mile. Espcialy Zhakul'das. It's a versatile set.
You don't see it often though, as it is quite a dark environment.
What really surprises me is that there is only one Xel'Naga Worldship map and it's not ever competitively played. It's quite pretty and has a lot of alien technology 'things' in it's accompanied doodadd set.
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On October 17 2011 20:59 Callynn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 20:05 LunaSaint wrote:
Zhakul'Das and Ulaan are my favourites by a country mile. Espcialy Zhakul'das. It's a versatile set. You don't see it often though, as it is quite a dark environment. What really surprises me is that there is only one Xel'Naga Worldship map and it's not ever competitively played. It's quite pretty and has a lot of alien technology 'things' in it's accompanied doodadd set.
Worldship is very fun to play with, though I found it worked better as ruins than an alien ship.
As for the dark environment problem, there's plenty of ways around it. Using other sets' lighting, for example.
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voted space, cause we need more of it
especially bright and clean stuff.
port zion shoulg go under space stuff, too.
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What about beaches of bel shir beach? does that still fall under jungle? Sure it has bel shir in its name but its smth totally different imo
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Many tilesets can be made to look good, but I agree with iGrok, Bel'Shir usually looks bad because it is so easy to make it bearable but really hard to make good (and it is definitely overused), Braxis alpha is also hard to make look good (personally I think Scrap Station is the only map managing to make it look good).
Personally, I use a mix of everything usually, as one tileset often has too many different textures and I prefer to be able to make a more subtle blend of textures:
+ Show Spoiler [Monsoon Valley] +Agria Foliage
Aiur Creep Holes
Avernus Rock
Agria Grass Yellow
Mar Sara Panels
Haven Grass
Haven Dirt
Char Dirt Cracked
(Monsoon Valley definitely has the most wacky combination I've used so far, but it works nicely )
+ Show Spoiler [Concrete Dreams] +Tyrador Concrete
Tyrador Concrete Cracked
Tyrador Rubble
Port Zion Junk
Tyrador Marble Tiles
Tyrador Bricks
Tarsonis Concrete
Tarsonis Grass
+ Show Spoiler [New WIP Map] +Valhalla Dirt
Valhalla Cracked Dirt
Valhalla Sand
New Folsom Sand
New Folsom Dirt Cracked
Tarsonis Grass
Tarsonis Cracks
Valhalla Rock
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I catalogued the poll options the same way blizzard has catalogued their tilesets. Though Shakuras and Xil are completely different worlds in aesthetics, they are still both wastelands. If you like one, but not the other in the same poll option just vote for it and post your argumentation. The reason I did not opt for all tilesets individually is because there are more tilesets than maximum poll options (12).
I currently mix three types of jungle world grass with Ulaan to create an alien ecosystem in a cave which functions as an 'oasis of lush green and resources' around pools of still dark water, while players are actually on the dry, plain and rocky outskirts of the cave.
Mixing tilesets is great fun, but takes a lot of effort to make them look good.
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Germany2773 Posts
Shakuras f-ing rocks I think. Imo I did very little work for my last map (LoS_Twilight Peaks) and it looked awesome
Other than that Mar Sara is pretty cool and Char is rather easy, too.
Aiur is the most badass jungle, just look at Sanshorn Mists.
But I also agree that every tileset can look good, if you find a way to pull it off.
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On October 18 2011 06:20 hytonight wrote:
niflheim..the ice one.
Oh, sorry I did not include moderated tilesets, only Blizzard ones. I think that HotS will give a new bunch of tilesets though, including ice worlds.
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Nifhleim technically is a Blizzard tileset, the files are in the editor by default, however the tileset is not 'enabled' by default.
Much like NullCurrent, rarely if ever (until recently) have I used a pure texture set without modifying it. Most of the sets have a few really nice textures, some OK ones and a few bad ones. The sets that work best untouched are no doubt Bel'Shir, Korhal and Ulaan, right below that I would include Braxis Alpha, Mar Sara, Meinhoff, Monlyth, Shakuras.
Ulnar, Typhon, Haven and Agria are just bad ;x
I think it's for the best that mapmakers mix up textures though, as long as the end result is aesthetically pleasing, and there is a clear theme that fits in to SC2 lore, then the textures used and what sets they'r from is pretty much irrelevant.
For spectators, again, as long as it's not too colourful as to distract from the units and visually looks nice I don't think it matters either.
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On October 18 2011 06:35 Callynn wrote:Oh, sorry I did not include moderated tilesets, only Blizzard ones. I think that HotS will give a new bunch of tilesets though, including ice worlds.
hots better give us more tilesets
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We saw at least the ice world where Kerrigan get's in contact with those Yeti while fighting off the Protoss. That particular setting seemed clear without burning the eyes (because I am colorblind, I am also extra sensitive to bright lights, I really disliked the Brood War snow terrain for that reason).
I think there should be more than just ice world, but we'll just have to wait and see. Toss unit should be announced today as well (silhouette).
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Wastelands... Mar Sara and Xil ftw!
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On October 18 2011 01:51 []Phase[] wrote:
What about beaches of bel shir beach? does that still fall under jungle? Sure it has bel shir in its name but its smth totally different imo
The beaches would be Xil sand.
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Agria is my favorite.
On October 18 2011 03:21 Callynn wrote:
I catalogued the poll options the same way blizzard has catalogued their tilesets. Though Shakuras and Xil are completely different worlds in aesthetics, they are still both wastelands. If you like one, but not the other in the same poll option just vote for it and post your argumentation. The reason I did not opt for all tilesets individually is because there are more tilesets than maximum poll options (12).
I currently mix three types of jungle world grass with Ulaan to create an alien ecosystem in a cave which functions as an 'oasis of lush green and resources' around pools of still dark water, while players are actually on the dry, plain and rocky outskirts of the cave.
Mixing tilesets is great fun, but takes a lot of effort to make them look good.
No way. Its lazy from my point of view. "I cant get this texture to work! .... Oh I'll just keep swapping textures until one does work!"
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On October 18 2011 22:36 WniO wrote:Agria is my favorite. Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 03:21 Callynn wrote:
I catalogued the poll options the same way blizzard has catalogued their tilesets. Though Shakuras and Xil are completely different worlds in aesthetics, they are still both wastelands. If you like one, but not the other in the same poll option just vote for it and post your argumentation. The reason I did not opt for all tilesets individually is because there are more tilesets than maximum poll options (12).
I currently mix three types of jungle world grass with Ulaan to create an alien ecosystem in a cave which functions as an 'oasis of lush green and resources' around pools of still dark water, while players are actually on the dry, plain and rocky outskirts of the cave.
Mixing tilesets is great fun, but takes a lot of effort to make them look good. No way. Its lazy from my point of view. " I cant get this texture to work! .... Oh I'll just keep swapping textures until one does work!"
Not everyone is Monet reincarnate!
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On October 18 2011 22:56 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 22:36 WniO wrote:Agria is my favorite. On October 18 2011 03:21 Callynn wrote:
I catalogued the poll options the same way blizzard has catalogued their tilesets. Though Shakuras and Xil are completely different worlds in aesthetics, they are still both wastelands. If you like one, but not the other in the same poll option just vote for it and post your argumentation. The reason I did not opt for all tilesets individually is because there are more tilesets than maximum poll options (12).
I currently mix three types of jungle world grass with Ulaan to create an alien ecosystem in a cave which functions as an 'oasis of lush green and resources' around pools of still dark water, while players are actually on the dry, plain and rocky outskirts of the cave.
Mixing tilesets is great fun, but takes a lot of effort to make them look good. No way. Its lazy from my point of view. " I cant get this texture to work! .... Oh I'll just keep swapping textures until one does work!" Not everyone is Monet reincarnate!
Joo so mean =D
Btw almost done getting my newest map worked out. I mixed three types of grass from jungle worlds with Ulaan underground cave to create an alien underground ecosystem. An 'oasis of life' in the middle of a damp lifeless cave.
Pics:
Alien Jungle Hill (south)
Xel'Naga Watch Tower (south)
Alien Oasis (east)
Tileset:
+ Show Spoiler +Bel'Shir Grass Dark
Haven Grass Rocky
Haven Grass Dark
Ulaan Grunge
Ulaan Rough Rock
Ulaan Stone
Ulaan Rocky
Zhakul'Das Grass
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Although it looks pretty from a distance, I have a feeling it might hurt the eyes a bit on brightness when played in close-up, which is a problem that can occur easily with winter themed tilesets. Fog can fix a lot of that though (notice that in Heart of the Swarm on the iceworld campaign there is a lot of fog and snowstorms that tactically reduce the brightness, I wonder if that's on purpose :D).
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