EPT[M](4) LoS_Dark Matter - Page 2
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dArLT.jpg) Reason being is the inbase natural is only a 1/2 base and if you want to take another full base you have to spread yourself out pretty dang far. So now you're most likely going to do some 1 1/2 base timing attack or just some 1 base. I think doing this will make the Third a lot more protected but will still be fairly hard to take. But with the back of the 3rd facing where your inbase natural is you won't have to worry as much about air harass, which there is tons of it currently. The Red star, I'm in up in the air about it. part of my feels like you should get rid of the ramp there and just make it non-pathable. Would help zergs out with scouting as well because they could park an overlord up there. Overall it's a great map, I love it a lot although I think it still needs some minor tweaks to make it better. Does the inbase natural really have to be that big? As of right now there's just as much space at that inbase natural then you have at your main. | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
Cute thing you did in the center, the map looks great ^^ | ||
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
besides concerns of positional imbalances - that always occur in rotational three or fourplayer maps - i think this is quite a solid map. and i am looking forward to see your main/nat setup in action! | ||
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aRRoSC2
Denmark241 Posts
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Fatze
Germany1342 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
I definitely like the innovation in this one, really want to see how it plays out. I'm a bit concerned about changing the natural to a 6min1gas. As others have said the main+natural seems to be a bit out of proportion. Normally a main should be around 40 CC units (correct me if I'm wrong) and this one already has near 50 + the natural is huge as well. I don't necessarily think that's bad but normally you want to keep everything as small as possible, right?^^ | ||
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
On August 29 2011 18:29 Ragoo wrote: Oh my god an innovative 4p rotational map! Quickly, kill it! I definitely like the innovation in this one, really want to see how it plays out. I'm a bit concerned about changing the natural to a 6min1gas. As others have said the main+natural seems to be a bit out of proportion. Normally a main should be around 40 CC units (correct me if I'm wrong) and this one already has near 50 + the natural is huge as well. I don't necessarily think that's bad but normally you want to keep everything as small as possible, right?^^ i think 40CC already is to big. 25-35 is fine and should be made accordingly to a bigger/smaller nat. bigger mains are harder to scout (offensivly and defensivly) and easier to drop. the main is quite circular in shape, so it is not that difficult (50CC size and long/bend is worse), but still it is really big. i do not ask for killing the concept, but at least changing the mai and nat to good proportions. this should free enough space to set the ccw third back a bit and make the map even better. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On August 29 2011 18:45 Samro225am wrote: i think 40CC already is to big. 25-35 is fine and should be made accordingly to a bigger/smaller nat. bigger mains are harder to scout (offensivly and defensivly) and easier to drop. the main is quite circular in shape, so it is not that difficult (50CC size and long/bend is worse), but still it is really big. i do not ask for killing the concept, but at least changing the mai and nat to good proportions. this should free enough space to set the ccw third back a bit and make the map even better.I think the analyzer might be counting the whole area including the two high grounds. When you play the map, it definitely doesn't feel too big. Terran will want that extra space at the in-base expansion. Also, since that is all space behind your main choke, who cares what the proportions are? There's no rule that says you need a bigger blob next to your starting CC than anywhere else. ;D This map is deceptively subtle with how the choke plays out. It's definitely not too easy to defend. You only get a mini expo anyway. I would be in favour of shifting the 3rd just a little bit closer to promote taking the outside expansion. The four bases closest to the center need to be juicier for being so vulnerable, and they should have two geysers so as not to be anti-zerg. Played a lot of pvp to test out the choke. We all agreed the space outside the LosB should be slightly narrower so you can't avoid stalker fire from either cliff. I don't think 4gate is mandatory because attackers will be taking enough fire walking in, a good 3gate should hold. Sentries are useless though, unless you can pull off a trick by hiding the sentry until they try to walk through a partial wall-in and split them in half. Blink is basically mandatory since there is so much cliff space and so much maneuvering room in general. Still want to play more games, I'll be around in MOTM channel on NA next couple days hoping for some testing. | ||
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Samro225am
Germany982 Posts
On August 29 2011 19:16 EatThePath wrote: + Show Spoiler + I think the analyzer might be counting the whole area including the two high grounds. When you play the map, it definitely doesn't feel too big. Terran will want that extra space at the in-base expansion. Also, since that is all space behind your main choke, who cares what the proportions are? There's no rule that says you need a bigger blob next to your starting CC than anywhere else. ;D This map is deceptively subtle with how the choke plays out. It's definitely not too easy to defend. You only get a mini expo anyway. Played a lot of pvp to test out the choke. We all agreed the space outside the LosB should be slightly narrower so you can't avoid stalker fire from either cliff. I don't think 4gate is mandatory because attackers will be taking enough fire walking in, a good 3gate should hold. Sentries are useless though, unless you can pull off a trick by hiding the sentry until they try to walk through a partial wall-in and split them in half. Blink is basically mandatory since there is so much cliff space and so much maneuvering room in general. Still want to play more games, I'll be around in MOTM channel on NA next couple days hoping for some testing this! it is all about what you do after having the main and nat setup. The space in the main is not an issue, but the space could be used differently really. the "fourth" is something you might want to take to expand away from your opponent in the current setup, but it is vulnarable from the centre. so either the third should be a definite third that you take before going ccw or the third and the fourth have to be equaly save. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
 Aesthetics are nice and solid and from what I saw PvP should play out fine (possibly better than on normal maps cause you can expand easier?!) | ||
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Archvil3
Denmark989 Posts
The changes I'm going to be looking at first is to move the third closer to the main choke. Even when you spawn counterclock wise from your opponent I want you to take that as your third and not consider the middle expansion as your third. I think that would cause a positional imbalance issue if you were to take that as your third while your oponent get a much easier defendable third. Second change is going to be to make the middle expansions full mining bases with 8m2g instead of 6m1g. I've also had a lot of feedback regarding the choke. Some say it should be smaller to make it a better defendable position. My worry is that it becomes too good and nearly impossible to attack. I will also have another look at the aesthetics, I hear improvements can be made. I'm gonna start working on the changes as soon as I get rid of my cold(thanks MLG for messing up my sleep schedule and depriving me of my sleep causing me to leave work today with a cold and a massive headache!  ) | ||
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Archvil3
Denmark989 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Sa4G2.jpg) The thirds have been pushed a bit closer to the choke/natural. It was a bit too hard to take and defend when spawning ccw compared to the cw who had a much easier 3rd. I may change it a bit more and push it back further if it's still the case that ccw spawn is worse off then cw. The middle expansions are now full 8m/2g bases. I will work on an aesthetic update as well. More creep and destruction of the map to come! Update available on EU and NA. | ||
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Icetoad
Canada262 Posts
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Archvil3
Denmark989 Posts
I finally did the update that I wanted to make 2 months ago. All lowground was raised to highground and all highground was raised to double highground. This allowed me redesign the center and put it on lowground. The small highground near 3rd/4th that was previously pathable is now covered in doodads and unpathable. New Overview picture + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BqE2Il.jpg) Angled Overview + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MBbvJl.jpg) | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
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