Main bases have no gas, and only four mineral patches. Sky is not symmetrical, but is somewhat balanced. + Show Spoiler +
The bottom right main has 1 tiny ramp opposed to the large entrance for the top left main. This is contrasted in that the bottom rights natural is out in the open while the other players is safe and secure.
No custom tilesets! Low settings^ *Update* -Added a ramp overlooking the city natural entrance, since cannon contain / bunkers were way to strong for the other player. (lets the container to break out with vision) And some LoS blockers there. -Added a lowered supply depot at the only third base, (once again balancing the contains from both players.) -Doubled the size of the ramp for bottom right.
I don't see how its balanced... one main has a massive choke, and the other is tiny. I see 99% worker rushes. And six pools would dominate. If you want that, why not just put the mains right next to each other?
[edit] However, I like the aesthetics!! Would be pretty fun to play on lol.
Changing the resource setup that drastically basically makes this more of a UMS map than a melee map, because you're not really playing the game of Starcraft 2 that you know and understand if you're playing on this map.
I also don't think it's "somewhat balanced" at all. It heavily favors the person who spawns on the bottom right. Not only do they have another base closer to them, but their main is on high ground and is thus more easily defendable. And their main's ramp is forcefieldable as well, while the other isn't.
Asymmetry can work but you still need an asymmetrical balance. There needs to be drawbacks for the side that's favored.
thanks for the comments. can anyone help me test? im having trouble with protoss and to be honest the positions on the map dont matter at all lmao, it plays so weird.
copy everything you have, rotate and make it an awesome 1v1 with an extra ramp to the botom main as 4th. rotatethird minerals with their back towards main.this can be done in 5minutes and will be a fun map. i would like it really.
when you go experimental with resources at least make a solid regular layout so that players and mpers can understnd how less minerals affect the game.
what would you say is the concept you were shooting for with this map? I like the idea of forcing expansions and incredibly easy scouting, but does this really pan out in a game?
On August 03 2011 08:41 PassiveAce wrote: what would you say is the concept you were shooting for with this map? I like the idea of forcing expansions and incredibly easy scouting, but does this really pan out in a game?
this. really want to know what you are after. why change two things at the same time (resources + symmetry)
On August 03 2011 08:41 PassiveAce wrote: what would you say is the concept you were shooting for with this map? I like the idea of forcing expansions and incredibly easy scouting, but does this really pan out in a game?
this. really want to know what you are after. why change two things at the same time (resources + symmetry)
cause it makes for interesting games. i did this map as a test, and so far its ok. having full saturation after like 20 seconds is cool, as is the importance of grabbing your natural. (for the gas.) most games turn into someone trying to hold the nat.
and micro > macro since youre only getting a few units to deal with. yeah it doesnt play like starcraft, but i dont think all these big maps do either. one of the longer games had the zerg getting to pop out an ultra so that was epic.
its not quite balanced yet so things are still being looked at from my perspective. but id wish people would actually take time to play the map instead of guessing and throwing opinions out that have no bearing to what actually matters. (throwing ladder games to get people to test is fun and all but...)
On August 04 2011 03:04 SidianTheBard wrote: I find it hilarious how everybody is like "you spawn here you lose" "mules will own" "no gas wtf" "how do you take 3rds?"
Like, seriously guys? Are you all that clueless?
ps. It's not showing up on US.
search Agria Sky. it shows up for me. and btw guys i think im going to double the size of the ramp for bottom right, but that might push it in the favor of the city base ): this is hard T.T
On August 04 2011 03:04 SidianTheBard wrote: I find it hilarious how everybody is like "you spawn here you lose" "mules will own" "no gas wtf" "how do you take 3rds?"
Like, seriously guys? Are you all that clueless?
ps. It's not showing up on US.
search Agria Sky. it shows up for me. and btw guys i think im going to double the size of the ramp for bottom right, but that might push it in the favor of the city base ): this is hard T.T
'Lol, you make a very different map with 2 undiscovered, extremely different features and you're surprised that it's hard? Would love it if this map worked out, but for now, there's alot of work to do.
On August 04 2011 03:04 SidianTheBard wrote: I find it hilarious how everybody is like "you spawn here you lose" "mules will own" "no gas wtf" "how do you take 3rds?"
Like, seriously guys? Are you all that clueless?
ps. It's not showing up on US.
search Agria Sky. it shows up for me. and btw guys i think im going to double the size of the ramp for bottom right, but that might push it in the favor of the city base ): this is hard T.T
On August 04 2011 03:04 SidianTheBard wrote: I find it hilarious how everybody is like "you spawn here you lose" "mules will own" "no gas wtf" "how do you take 3rds?"
Like, seriously guys? Are you all that clueless?
ps. It's not showing up on US.
search Agria Sky. it shows up for me. and btw guys i think im going to double the size of the ramp for bottom right, but that might push it in the favor of the city base ): this is hard T.T
On August 03 2011 08:41 PassiveAce wrote: what would you say is the concept you were shooting for with this map? I like the idea of forcing expansions and incredibly easy scouting, but does this really pan out in a game?
this. really want to know what you are after. why change two things at the same time (resources + symmetry)
cause it makes for interesting games. i did this map as a test, and so far its ok. having full saturation after like 20 seconds is cool, as is the importance of grabbing your natural. (for the gas.) most games turn into someone trying to hold the nat.
and micro > macro since youre only getting a few units to deal with. yeah it doesnt play like starcraft, but i dont think all these big maps do either. one of the longer games had the zerg getting to pop out an ultra so that was epic.
its not quite balanced yet so things are still being looked at from my perspective. but id wish people would actually take time to play the map instead of guessing and throwing opinions out that have no bearing to what actually matters. (throwing ladder games to get people to test is fun and all but...)
I will try it As Sion as i am back Home Tomorrow. Is it on EU or could you send me the Map file?
Forgive me if I'm coming off rude but, is this supposed to be some sort of attempt to 'troll' or 'get back' MotM after they apparently wronged you by not having your map as a finalist? I'm finding this map very difficult to take seriously.
From MotM7 thread:
On July 11 2011 02:22 WniO wrote: what a fucking joke if you arent going to use the scores than why even bother with that
On July 11 2011 02:37 WniO wrote: subjective stuff is pretty fun then huh?
On July 11 2011 04:43 WniO wrote: oh and apparently shitting all over the map with tree doodads is just as good as spending 25+ hours on one. ill make sure to do taht next time.
I'm not trying to slander you or anything.... but this map is not sc2 so I can't help but think you're not being serious.
On August 05 2011 06:29 Soluhwin wrote: Forgive me if I'm coming off rude but, is this supposed to be some sort of attempt to 'troll' or 'get back' MotM after they apparently wronged you by not having your map as a finalist? I'm finding this map very difficult to take seriously.
On July 11 2011 04:43 WniO wrote: oh and apparently shitting all over the map with tree doodads is just as good as spending 25+ hours on one. ill make sure to do taht next time.
I'm not trying to slander you or anything.... but this map is not sc2 so I can't help but think you're not being serious.
no youre right cause all of my motm submissions arent weird like this map. im sorry i dont make lost temple clones. thanks btw for taking time to find those quotes, real classy.
On August 05 2011 06:29 Soluhwin wrote: Forgive me if I'm coming off rude but, is this supposed to be some sort of attempt to 'troll' or 'get back' MotM after they apparently wronged you by not having your map as a finalist? I'm finding this map very difficult to take seriously.
From MotM7 thread:
On July 11 2011 02:22 WniO wrote: what a fucking joke if you arent going to use the scores than why even bother with that
On July 11 2011 04:43 WniO wrote: oh and apparently shitting all over the map with tree doodads is just as good as spending 25+ hours on one. ill make sure to do taht next time.
I'm not trying to slander you or anything.... but this map is not sc2 so I can't help but think you're not being serious.
no youre right cause all of my motm submissions arent weird like this map. im sorry i dont make lost temple clones. thanks btw for taking time to find those quotes, real classy.
Calm. I like the idea of this map, I just think that it uses too many theorycrafted ideas (big chokes, low resources, etc.) and should be tested more to see if it's good or not.
I tried out a game on this map vs a friend, I can't really see how any openings beside like an 8pool would be viable, 8pool is unaffected in timing by the change in minerals, a gas+pool opening is impossible, and I can't really see it being possible to defend a 2nd base off 4 mineral patches.
On August 05 2011 11:15 Scisyhp wrote: I tried out a game on this map vs a friend, I can't really see how any openings beside like an 8pool would be viable, 8pool is unaffected in timing by the change in minerals, a gas+pool opening is impossible, and I can't really see it being possible to defend a 2nd base off 4 mineral patches.
So it goes for all races (Except terran perhaps). Protoss: Funky forge cannon wall of a natural Terran: Marine with bunkers, pretty viable. Zerg: Ice Fisher.
I hope this map may inspire players, but the strange balance effects may make this too hard. (I really think terran will be overpowered on this map).
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