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LS
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)145 Posts
July 14 2011 21:30 GMT
#1
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Playable 128×128
Published KR
Created by LSPrime

www.SC2Prime.com
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Just Texture Experiment
ZhaKul'Das(base) + Ulaan +niflheim
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10380 Posts
July 14 2011 21:31 GMT
#2
OMG yay!

Isn't this a new version of that older map "Black Forest" ?

Thanks for making once again!
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LS
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)145 Posts
July 14 2011 21:34 GMT
#3
Yep :D
On July 15 2011 06:31 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
OMG yay!

Isn't this a new version of that older map "Black Forest" ?

Thanks for making once again!

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FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
July 14 2011 21:39 GMT
#4
Ok I have no idea what's going on here, like where cliffs and ramps are^^

Can you post an overview picture with different lighting or some analyzer pictures?

I really like the atmosphere
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neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
July 14 2011 21:46 GMT
#5
Kind of hard to see.

Looks like a WC3 map with all the trees.

I like the ambience.

I loooooove the natural design.
LunaSaint
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom620 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-14 22:23:55
July 14 2011 22:03 GMT
#6
Wooooooooow...
The mood is really special here. Still, quiet.

Would be a shame to have a battle on somewhere like this. : (
PandaBlunt
Profile Joined September 2010
United States292 Posts
July 14 2011 22:32 GMT
#7
Another beautiful map as always sir ^_^. Is this going to be uploaded into NA? .
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chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
July 14 2011 22:34 GMT
#8
Oh my god... one map more beautiful than the last one... hope it makes it quick to EU! And to GSL/GSTL of course!
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DeepBlu2
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States975 Posts
July 14 2011 22:50 GMT
#9
How would we go about uploading it to NA? I really want to try this out. It looks amazing.
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LS
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)145 Posts
July 15 2011 04:10 GMT
#10
Available NA EU SEA Soon
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 04:30:19
July 15 2011 04:29 GMT
#11
Btw I played the Black Forest one, and that was GREAT

So yeah, this will be even better :D

Edit:

Maybe I can't tell from the picture, but is there still a neutral creep tumor at the natural?
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eTcetRa
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia822 Posts
July 15 2011 04:58 GMT
#12
Textures look like my map, except a lot lot lot better! Great work again!
Retired Mapmaker™
Randomaccount#77123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States5003 Posts
July 15 2011 05:25 GMT
#13
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ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
July 15 2011 07:34 GMT
#14
Maybe a silly question, but where the hell do you spawn on this map?
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Ulfsark
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States958 Posts
July 15 2011 08:11 GMT
#15
This map looks amazing! I have a soft spot for snowy maps in any game.
gg wp
Anomandaris
Profile Joined July 2010
Afghanistan440 Posts
July 15 2011 09:38 GMT
#16
I really like the center. It leaves room for maneuvring and flanking.
I will test as soon as it is published on eu.
Rareware
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada340 Posts
July 15 2011 11:09 GMT
#17
Wow, this looks amazing! I really hope this gets included in the GSL, excellent work LS!
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Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
July 15 2011 11:16 GMT
#18
The first map where the creep adds light to the floor maybe?

Looks sooo good though, gotta have a game on this map when I get him. quick question though, and I may be asking this because the room where I'm working is really bright and I cant see it properly...

Where are the mains?
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Fearlezz
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia176 Posts
July 15 2011 11:33 GMT
#19
8 and 2 o'clock if it's the same as I remember from Black Forest.
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
July 15 2011 11:34 GMT
#20
Aaaaah that looooks sooooo goooooooodd!
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Mereel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany895 Posts
July 15 2011 11:39 GMT
#21
i really like the design.....i thought yesterday about snowtextures with green trees and u allready done it^^
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Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
July 15 2011 11:53 GMT
#22
tbh I liked the look of Black Forest more but this is also very unique and cool

I looove that you used this natural. I liked the idea of a natural like this ever since (Z)MorroW used it in his map Black Rainbow one year ago, so thanks for doing this.
Totally want to see how this map would play out if played by pro players!
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Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
July 16 2011 14:34 GMT
#23
it looks pretty, but I cant make out cliffs, chokes etc. (but I dont know how this will translate ingame)
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Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
July 16 2011 15:28 GMT
#24
You never disappoint.
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TibblesEvilCat
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom766 Posts
July 17 2011 23:43 GMT
#25
this map plays really nice, and is short enough for a rush BUT! it's also got a easily defenble nat on high ground, i offen open 2rax at bottom of ramp or forge fe into 6gate blink, i have however not seen the game go past 2 base.
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chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
July 19 2011 12:32 GMT
#26
Still no ETA for EU server yet?

On a sidenote, I am totally interested in some insight into GOMs plans regarding maps. For example if they already know which maps will be taken out of the pool next, which of your maps will replace them, what they want in their maps in the future and everything like that. Would be so cool if you would post something about that, LS.
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monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
July 19 2011 15:38 GMT
#27
The layout of the main and natural is really amazing! I can't wait to see games on it. It wouldn't work in Brood War, but hopefully it does in SC2. I like the creative textures, despite them seeming slightly bland from the overview. In-game though, they look very nice.

I feel that you had intended each player to take expansions in their own corner, probably the one closer to their natural since the distance is shorter. This is what I mean. The corner 3rd is the closest if you break down the rocks, so it is the obvious third to take. Since the 4th and 5th bases are so close, they cannot be split between players (one player will take both). Additionally, taking your 3rd and the opponents 5th would require you to spread your army out far too much- and this would make the 4th an unusable expansion. So thus, I conclude that each player takes expansions in their own corner as drawn.

I feel the problem with this concept is that it is extremely difficult to get off of 2 bases, because of the short rush distance, the long distance to a 3rd, and the rocks offering an aggressive option into the natural. However, once you do get a 3rd, the game becomes a macro fest because suddenly the distance to attacking your opponent has become longer, and your next expansions makes it even longer.

The 3rd is really harder to hold than the 4th, which seems counter-intuitive to me. Zerg can take the 4th before the 3rd and be safer, but Protoss really can't risk spreading out that far unless they're doing an unusual build.

The opponents distance to your main is pretty short in the late game, so it'll will probably be attacked first. Defending your main, natural, 3rd, and 4th late game require you to move your entire army pretty far, and through some very tight chokes. This leaves your other expansions completely vulnerable to run-bys or harass, which can be nice, but also makes holding the expansion very difficult.

I think it would be nice to see some sort of intermediate expansion between your natural and third, to help bridge the gap between 2base all-ins and 3base macro games. Something like this could be a nice expansion for Protoss and Terran to take, maybe even Zerg. This option would be good because you don't have to spread out as much to take the 3rd, and you can still be aggressive. But it also sort of messes up the corner expansions, because they're basically free once you take it.

Note: I can't quite tell if you can walk through the center. I had been thinking you can, but let me know if you can't.
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See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-19 16:46:27
July 19 2011 16:46 GMT
#28
Interesting map though as was previously stated the third looks a little difficult to take for non-zerg. Mutas would be an absolute nightmare on this map. Other than that, beautiful looking map, hope to see it in some play soon!
KaBoom300
Profile Joined January 2011
United States225 Posts
July 20 2011 05:59 GMT
#29
It looks amazing my only problem is that it seems the natural is super far from the main. Would be really hard to defend against mutas, drops, etc...
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mangoloid
Profile Joined September 2010
100 Posts
July 20 2011 07:28 GMT
#30
OP says "Just Texture Experiment" so I am going to assume you aren't looking for comments on layout &c.

The aesthetics look great, but (as others have said) it's kind of hard to distinguish certain features. I would love to see some in-game screenshots. (Or some replays, at least until this is published on other servers.) Anyway, I think the twilight forest setting is really cool.
Larsin
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands162 Posts
July 20 2011 07:46 GMT
#31
look awesome, but bad to play on.
It will never go past 2 base since the 3rd is miles away. auto loose for zerg.
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
July 20 2011 09:02 GMT
#32
On July 20 2011 16:46 Larsin wrote:
look awesome, but bad to play on.
It will never go past 2 base since the 3rd is miles away. auto loose for zerg.


It actually favors Zerg to have a far away third where you can expand away from your opponent and sucks for Terran and especially for Protoss. See Crossfire or even Testbug PvZ.
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enecateReAP
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom378 Posts
July 20 2011 10:59 GMT
#33
Beautiful map, would love to see it in GSL. ^_^
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Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
July 20 2011 12:36 GMT
#34
LS, you and Jackie(I think that's his name?) make awesome maps, keep it up!
sTYleZerG-eX
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico473 Posts
July 20 2011 18:36 GMT
#35
Wow very good looking map (:
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garbobjee
Profile Joined February 2011
19 Posts
July 20 2011 23:58 GMT
#36
Nice? Are there any watchtowers on this map?
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
July 21 2011 00:01 GMT
#37
You stole my natural idea!
Well, not really , but it's the same idea, executed much better.
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WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 10:37:38
July 21 2011 10:35 GMT
#38
Wrong thread.
PeZuY
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
935 Posts
July 21 2011 10:52 GMT
#39
Why can't we see actually good maps like this in the ladder t.t Damn you blizzard.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
July 21 2011 10:55 GMT
#40
Looks awesome (visually).

I wish i could see more maps entering competitive play quicker. I know that's not idea from a player perspective due to learning maps etc, but the map turnover just seems too slow. Not that it has to be, i don't know what is best for map rotations. But i want more maps. Me me me.
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SaltyDog
Profile Joined January 2011
Uganda73 Posts
July 21 2011 13:12 GMT
#41
Nice map, seems like it could be called Kal'Dir with an apostrophe.
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Doz
Profile Joined July 2010
United States145 Posts
July 21 2011 14:37 GMT
#42
Aesthetically it looks very nice, but I have to agree with monitor on the layout. This style of map lends itself to being very zerg favored do to the movement speed of their two best harassment units, muta's and speedlings. Run-by's would be abundant here.

My suggestion, assuming you don't make any changes to an easier to access third, would be to swap the fifth almost with the protoss temple doodads. Or from the top perspective, space the 5th between the 4th and 3rd and move it south of the hole in the ground, and rework a little bit of the pathing.

Otherwise looks pretty good
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theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
July 21 2011 14:48 GMT
#43
Amazing trees. I just love this map. Hope it makes it onto GSL/GSTL
curreh
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia265 Posts
July 23 2011 06:02 GMT
#44
love this map, can't wait til it's on SEA ^_^
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10380 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 06:13:23
July 23 2011 06:12 GMT
#45
On July 20 2011 21:36 Yew wrote:
LS, you and Jackie(I think that's his name?) make awesome maps, keep it up!


This is LS Prime, am i missing something or is that a mistake? xD

edit:

nvm it makes sense i was reading it like a list lol

aw still not uploaded to NA
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TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
July 23 2011 06:29 GMT
#46
This does look nice. I am excited to give it a shot.
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Baby_Seal
Profile Joined August 2010
United States360 Posts
July 23 2011 09:11 GMT
#47
I love the snow tileset, and I'm glad that we're finally seeing a map that uses it. For that alone, I love the map =D.
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
July 23 2011 12:11 GMT
#48
it looks kinda dark? I think it's important that anything competitive is well lit, not just for the gamers but for the observers casting the games.
InfestedHydralisk
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands110 Posts
July 24 2011 17:39 GMT
#49
On the first look, the map looks amazingly pretty. Real Dark Templar feel to it. As for the map layout, looks pretty interesting. I'd like to see some games on it.
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KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
July 24 2011 18:14 GMT
#50
Very well done LS, hope to see this in GSL soon!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
July 27 2011 14:22 GMT
#51
This looks so amazing... love your work!
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