Hmmm... I still say you should move the more central third towards the natural somewhat (pushing the main back to make room, altering natural mineral placement to have good ramp-nat relationship and having the ramp move a bit,) and bridge it to the 3'/9' with rocks. And I think the 3'/9' should be on the high ground.

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

May 19 2011 00:01 GMT

#22

I really am not too bright on the idea of having a back-door into the 3/9 o'clock bases from the main. That spells disaster. If I did that, I would have to replace the LOS in those bases with destructible rocks to fortify it.

Gfire

United States1699 Posts

May 19 2011 00:11 GMT

#23

I don't mean connect it to the main, I mean to the third in front of the main. Sorry for the confusion.

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

May 19 2011 00:24 GMT

#24

Ah. It is a possibility. I'm trying to do more tests to verify that the majority if players find that worthy.

astroorion

United States1022 Posts

May 19 2011 01:28 GMT

#25

Looks very nice, and could work great in a tournament. Why don't I give you a PM and we can talk about it, I'm a CraftCup Admin and I think we would love to have more user created maps

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

May 19 2011 05:19 GMT

#26

I replied, and it's surely a blessing astroorion!

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

May 19 2011 05:32 GMT

#27

One of the changes I am working on right now is reducing the size of the back-door to the natural. This isn't official, but it is an idea worth mentioning to the community.

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It can be walled off with 1 rax, with destructible rocks as the other half of the wall, but can be destroyed by whoever to create a more open path.

What do you guys think?

Big J

Austria16289 Posts

May 19 2011 07:15 GMT

#28

On May 19 2011 14:32 IronManSC wrote:
One of the changes I am working on right now is reducing the size of the back-door to the natural. This isn't official, but it is an idea worth mentioning to the community.

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It can be walled off with 1 rax, with destructible rocks as the other half of the wall, but can be destroyed by whoever to create a more open path.

What do you guys think?

I would consider swapping the place of the opening (where the barracks now is) and the rocks. Therefore stationary defenses in the corner between the 2entrences don't protect the rocks.
and maybe put them a little bit more towards the gold base, for the same reason.

at the moment it just feels like you can't use the backdoor at all if you have a low range army (zerg, zealot heavy Protoss) if a siegetank is somewhere behind it.

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

May 19 2011 16:46 GMT

#29

It's a good analysis. Before, the back-door choke was as large as the main entrance is, but I've had terrans complain to me that it's not even worth fast expanding because they have to build one too many bunkers.

Gfire

United States1699 Posts

May 19 2011 16:54 GMT

#30

It would be fine if the ramp was closer to the CC. You should put the gas by the main with the minerals in the back more like on Shattered. Then Terran can wall off to their CC just like on XNC.

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

May 19 2011 16:55 GMT

#31

On May 20 2011 01:54 Gfire wrote:
It would be fine if the ramp was closer to the CC. You should put the gas by the main with the minerals in the back more like on Shattered. Then Terran can wall off to their CC just like on XNC.

Gfire

United States1699 Posts

May 19 2011 17:00 GMT

#32

Um... I agree that the side entrance should be smaller than the frontal choke. But the rocks might not be necessary if you adjust the natural so players can properly wall. The spot for the CC at the nat should be closer to the ramp.

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

May 19 2011 21:26 GMT

#33

1.1 is now available on battle.net! Just search for Scars, Version 1.1

1.1 Changes:

1) I revamped the bottom left and top right bases, as well as the back-door to the naturals. This is the new layout in 1.1:

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-- The 3rd (or 4th) is slightly closer to the natural.
-- The backdoor to the natural is blocked by rocks, allowing for multiple attack paths as well as an easier and safer path to the 3rd (or 4th).
-- The gold ramp facing the 2 bases was taken out. This caused the gold base to be too safe and too easy to reinforce. Either way, if the gold is attacked, there is a possible escape route leading back to your bases.

2) LOS was added to the left and right of the center area to protect the center bases more:

1.1 Center:
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--The LOS is just out of reach of the XWT vision, like so:
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Other fixes:

• Pathing re-done to allow for drops to be made on the cliffs by the 9/3 o'clock bases, as well as the 7/2 o'clock bases.

• Lighting has been worked, and the map is now brighter when playing.

• Other lighting features were added to enhance visual effects.

• Foliage re-done

• Several more doodads were added

• Textures were polished in various places

Any other comments or feedback? Please let me know here or add me on SC2! IronMan.714

goal 888

167 Posts

May 20 2011 00:14 GMT

#34

Only thing to make it a better map would be to put the gold on the low ground vs the high ground

Other than that I think its a pretty solid map

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

May 20 2011 00:18 GMT

#35

It's still in debate about putting the golds in the center or leaving them where they are.

Gfire

United States1699 Posts

May 20 2011 00:28 GMT

#36

The gold only has 5 patches and one geyser, I think it's fine on the high ground.

I still don't understand the addition of the curtain... Doesn't this decrease the amount of safe movement outside of the Watchtower vision and thus make center control even more over-important? What was the concept being adding that?

With the removal of over half of the openness of the natural, perhaps you should widen the front choke leading into it.

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

May 20 2011 05:42 GMT

#37

The curtain is fine. I will leave that up to the testers.

I will think about widening the front choke, but not 100% positive.

I am also thinking about adding either a path blocked by rocks going between the trees (connecting the middle to the island) as a possible escape route, or adding some high ground connecting it near the corner base. I'm not sure what to do.