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[G] Tutorial: Creating a 3 player map

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NullCurrent
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-06 21:14:48
February 15 2011 23:06 GMT
#1
[image loading]

Requirements:

  • A map idea
  • Knowledge about the editor, because doodads sometime behave a bit quirky and "disappear"
  • Experience with a layered image editing program (GIMP or Photoshop)

Windows:

  • Photoshop with DDS Converter from Nvidia or
    GIMP with DDS plugin from http://code.google.com/p/gimp-dds/

Mac OS X:

  • GIMP with DDS plugin (http://code.google.com/p/gimp-dds/)

    Needs compiling on Mac OS X and a lot of libraries installed which will take a lot of time on the mac as they are not natively installed.
    I'd recommend using VirtualBox with an Ubuntu image and then install the libgimp2.0-dev package via Synaptic package manager and then compile the library — that is what I did.

    Or use a windows computer (or installation) to do it.

I WON'T help in these areas:

  • Problems compiling the GIMP plugin, i might clarify a bit however
  • Acquiring an Ubuntu image or installing GIMP or VirtualBox
  • Usage of operating systems


Creating the first concept


First of all you need to have an idea about the map you wish to make. This is even more important than when making 2 and 4 player maps, as you can always mirror or copy and paste on them.

On a 3 player map you don't have that opportunity as everything is rotated 120 degrees, which does not mesh well with the editor's limitation of rotating things a multiple of 90 degrees.
For those who have read a bit about — or attempted — to create a map which is rotated 45 degrees already know about the headaches that this limitation imposes.

So just to warn you if you do not have an idea for a map, just DON'T BOTHER STARTING with making a 3 player map unless you manage to draw something which you feel is nice.

First, what you want is a template into which you can draw your concept. This template should generally consist of at least three lines from the center of the map with an angle of 120 degrees between them. This is easily accomplished in Photoshop or GIMP using the Transform tool, as you can enter degrees into it directly.

You might also want to add center lines to the template (same lines as before, just rotated 60 degrees and in a different colour), as they will make it a lot easier to try making the concept positionally balanced.

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HQ variant which you can download

So now we have our template, let's start drawing stuff!

Create a new layer, this is almost a must, as you want to separate the map concept from the template lines and background (because you don't want to rotate the lines, just the map concept), then you start drawing the contents of one of the 120 degree slices.

Keep in mind that you will duplicate this and rotate it, as you can't mirror the slices in a 3 player map.
Another important thing to consider is to not making the proportions too large, you can only enlarge the image to cover 140x140 approximately (I think).

[image loading]

When you think you have come a bit on the way towards something looking like a layout, copy the layer and then rotate it into the other slice. Repeat for the 3rd slice.
This to make it easier to see where you're going, repeat this as many times as necessary.

Repeat until you have something looking good!

[image loading]

Now what I have done is to colour the different height layers. I've used a translucent brush on three separate layer to achieve this effect:

[image loading]

Now we have something which is looking like a proper map concept!


What you now need to do is to cut the image into 4 pieces, one for each quadrant of the image.

These should then be saved as DDS files using BC3/DXT5 compression (that was what I used and it worked fine).
The filenames you should use are:decalhazard00_diffuse.dds, decalhazard01_diffuse.dds, decalhazard02_diffuse.dds and decalhazard03_diffuse.dds


Getting the image into the Map Editor

Now, open the map editor and create a new blank map. Do not change any terrain, if you do that the temporary doodads won't show correctly.

Import the images using the import tool and then move them to Assets\Textures:

[image loading]

Save the map in the editor and then do File->Close and then open the map again.

Open up the data editor, and go into the Models tab:

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Search for decal, and select the Decal model. Then click on the Decal actor in the panel in the lower left of the window. Set the Art - Scale to 23 (this is apparently the largest number working for scaling doodads).

Close it and save.

Now, create 4 instances of the Decal doodad and set them to use the following variations: 15, 16, 17 and 23.

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Now you should see parts of your map concept. If not, try changing the variations between a few different numbers, try restarting the editor, check filenames for the imported files, change scaling factor on the doodads and Art - Scale and finally try creating a new map file.

Change the scaling an positioning (300% is max scaling in the doodad window) of your doodads until they line up properly and cover the desired portion of the map.

TRY WITH MINERALS AND GAS AND SEE THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN THE SCALE RIGHT!!!

[image loading]

Now when you have gotten the doodads into the editor, let's move onto drawing cliffs!


Tips on painting cliff levels

Start with the highest level of cliffs, as you will obscure your doodad when you raise cliffs. So do this directly with +2 levels as you don't want to mix level 2 and 3.

[image loading]

Narrow ramps (like on mains) should only be diagonal (because of sentries and wall-offs), and this will affect the balance of the map. You WILL need to tweak this a lot.

Use the building placement grid and measure distances for chokes and so on to make sure that no spawn will get an unfair advantage.

Use the map analyzer regularly when you've come so far that you can add spawns and have them connected by ramps.


Result of the example

This is a map I will probably continue and test and work on until april. Nothing is definite, and I will create a map thread for it soon, but suggestions are nevertheless welcome!

[image loading]

GOOD LUCK!
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
February 15 2011 23:09 GMT
#2
A very helpful tutorial. Definitely needs to be added to the list of useful links.
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SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
February 15 2011 23:14 GMT
#3
Excellent guide. I know the 3 player maps aren't til April, but man, looks like it's going to be a challenge to make a good one. Thanks for this, maybe I'll try making a "test" 3 player map to try this out and see how awful my first 3 player map will turn out. (I think I'm actually starting to get a hang of 2 and 4 player maps which is nice haha)
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Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
February 15 2011 23:35 GMT
#4
oh nice, i did testbug placing decals one by one to do the template. This will save a lot of time. But it will be a bit tricky to get the right scale but it's better than nothing
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Vectoor
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden62 Posts
February 15 2011 23:52 GMT
#5
Nice guide, and your map looks like it will be quite cool
PiLoKo
Profile Joined January 2011
Mexico144 Posts
February 16 2011 00:17 GMT
#6
You just blow my mind, so, I can actually draw a map in a piece of paper and import it, incredible guide, I`m very interesting in making a map for MotM4 =D
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
February 16 2011 00:31 GMT
#7
Remember guys, this can be used for any map, not just 3p. You just have to change the sketch you do
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 16 2011 00:41 GMT
#8
The fact that you have to do this and can't just set axises and mirror in the editor makes my poor head hurt.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 01:29:10
February 16 2011 00:45 GMT
#9
Well you can't do this in editor because its a grid, and it wouldn't do well.

EDIT: that was terribly worded, and I apologize.

What I meant was that because its a square grid, the editor wouldn't be able to mirror 120 degree symmetry well, and would probably end up being a broken tool.

It'd be nice to have 4 way and 45 degree symmetry though.
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Antares777
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1971 Posts
February 16 2011 00:47 GMT
#10
:O

You make this look easy.

Barrin, add this to your compilation immediately.
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
February 16 2011 01:50 GMT
#11
i like the map^^
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Silence-
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada116 Posts
February 16 2011 05:54 GMT
#12
Thx, but I can't get it to work at all. T_T All the files are named exactly like yours but when I put the doodad down, it's still just a hazard logo...
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
February 16 2011 06:03 GMT
#13
On February 16 2011 09:41 sob3k wrote:
The fact that you have to do this and can't just set axises and mirror in the editor makes my poor head hurt.

Yeah.

It's a wonderful workaround... to a problem that shouldn't exist. Although I'm no pro mapmaker, I failed when trying to get it fixed.
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
February 16 2011 06:47 GMT
#14
wow absolutely astonishing! I didnt know you could construct a map in a template fashion. Thanks for the tutorial!
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NullCurrent
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden245 Posts
February 16 2011 07:11 GMT
#15
Thanks!
I hope this tutorial isn't too hard to reproduce. But doodads are quirky sometimes.

On February 16 2011 14:54 Silence- wrote:
Thx, but I can't get it to work at all. T_T All the files are named exactly like yours but when I put the doodad down, it's still just a hazard logo...

Have you tried restarting the editor?
If so, do the imported files reside in the correct directory? Are the names in the correct case?
Check the preview images in the import window, are they the proper images?
Have you saved the images properly in DDS format?

For importing, I think you have to import the images, save the map, move the images and save again and finally restart the editor and load again.

If it still doesn't work, please specify what steps you have done and I'll try to reproduce it.
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Silence-
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada116 Posts
February 16 2011 07:18 GMT
#16
On February 16 2011 16:11 NullCurrent wrote:
Thanks!
I hope this tutorial isn't too hard to reproduce. But doodads are quirky sometimes.

Show nested quote +
On February 16 2011 14:54 Silence- wrote:
Thx, but I can't get it to work at all. T_T All the files are named exactly like yours but when I put the doodad down, it's still just a hazard logo...

Have you tried restarting the editor?
If so, do the imported files reside in the correct directory? Are the names in the correct case?
Check the preview images in the import window, are they the proper images?
Have you saved the images properly in DDS format?

For importing, I think you have to import the images, save the map, move the images and save again and finally restart the editor and load again.

If it still doesn't work, please specify what steps you have done and I'll try to reproduce it.


Okay, I realized I missed a step (moving the files to Assets>Textures). However, whenever I try to move them (Move files...) it gives me 2 options. One is to move to an existing path, which has a drop down menu, but only has one option, which is "(Root)", and the other option is New Path... Not exactly sure what to do. I'm kind of bad with computers
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Madsquare
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany157 Posts
February 16 2011 07:27 GMT
#17
Very Interesting. Might try it for future maps. Currently I have painted the the border of the layout in the Editor with textures.

I see one problem with your method: Scale. You can easily be completly off with your drawings. Also some things you thought you could draw dont work out the way you would have liked.

But its a real help. Thanks for sharing!
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NullCurrent
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-16 13:17:47
February 16 2011 07:38 GMT
#18
On February 16 2011 16:27 Madsquare wrote:
Very Interesting. Might try it for future maps. Currently I have painted the the border of the layout in the Editor with textures.

I see one problem with your method: Scale. You can easily be completly off with your drawings. Also some things you thought you could draw dont work out the way you would have liked.

But its a real help. Thanks for sharing!


Yeah, scale is a bit hard - I was very lucky, I nailed it on the first try!
But as I mentioned, one image fully scaled covers a fourth of a 144x144 map bounds. Hence the usage of four doodads as you can't scale them more.

Just use more image parts for larger maps, but then you have to find the texture file names of other decals.

On February 16 2011 16:18 Silence- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2011 16:11 NullCurrent wrote:
Thanks!
I hope this tutorial isn't too hard to reproduce. But doodads are quirky sometimes.

On February 16 2011 14:54 Silence- wrote:
Thx, but I can't get it to work at all. T_T All the files are named exactly like yours but when I put the doodad down, it's still just a hazard logo...

Have you tried restarting the editor?
If so, do the imported files reside in the correct directory? Are the names in the correct case?
Check the preview images in the import window, are they the proper images?
Have you saved the images properly in DDS format?

For importing, I think you have to import the images, save the map, move the images and save again and finally restart the editor and load again.

If it still doesn't work, please specify what steps you have done and I'll try to reproduce it.


Okay, I realized I missed a step (moving the files to Assets>Textures). However, whenever I try to move them (Move files...) it gives me 2 options. One is to move to an existing path, which has a drop down menu, but only has one option, which is "(Root)", and the other option is New Path... Not exactly sure what to do. I'm kind of bad with computers

You should have a textbox option too, and just write "Assets\Textures" (without quotes) in it.
Don't forget to restart the editor after you've moved the files.
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Silence-
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada116 Posts
February 16 2011 08:30 GMT
#19
Thx man! =D
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hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
February 16 2011 08:55 GMT
#20
This is so badass. I really like the picture "Tips on painting cliff levels" because it has SC2 cliffs and your drawing in one image.

An idea has taken shape! Hehe.
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