EPT[Q] # of Viewers?
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EtherealDeath
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Superiorwolf
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
5/11: 1700-1800 avg 5/12: 2200-2300 avg Total of over 8000 different IPs to date. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32051 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
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rjT.
Italy295 Posts
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grobo
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QuanticHawk
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Bifur
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Dante08
Singapore4126 Posts
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On May 19 2008 03:06 Bifur wrote: Why is it so impressive? Are there any numbers to compare with? MSL, OSL, GSI, BWWI, numbers of visitors to this portal or any other internet-sites, numbers of downloaded vods from other leagues? It's impressive because this is made by a website, not by a huge company. It's foreign in a game that's not appreciated as much as it is in Korea, which is why it's so amazing. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
I think for Yankee League we had ~100-150 users per week listening live , so this is obviously much higher ^_^ | ||
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ArtyK.TeMiL
Peru140 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
On May 19 2008 03:21 Superiorwolf wrote: It's impressive because this is made by a website, not by a huge company. It's foreign in a game that's not appreciated as much as it is in Korea, which is why it's so amazing. You actually didn't answer his question. That number can't be impressive if you don't have anything to compare it to. Let me put it this way: what number wouldn't have impressed you? Considering the number of people who seem to be actively posting on TL and the fact that this event is popular throughout the whole non-Asian SC scene I think that number is surprisingly low. Apparently not so many people enjoy watching the whole cast live. Does anybody have numbers for the vods? | ||
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NathanSC
United States620 Posts
On May 19 2008 04:09 SonuvBob wrote: So the 1700 says to the 7000, "Hey 7000, why do you smell so bad?" And the 7000 responds, "Because I was just pulled out of Klogon's ass!" Rofl, that's golden. Anyway, that's a lot of viewers! I wasn't able to watch the Ro16 because of other issues, but I'm tuning in for both days of the Ro8. | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
I'd like to be getting 4-5 times what we get now, but 2500's not bad. Feel free to tell everyone you know to watch. :p | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
Whatever ;P we're getting a good # of viewers, and it'll hopefully keep going up! Drag people into the scene, even if you must use gags and handcuffs. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2683 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On May 19 2008 04:16 Asta wrote: You actually didn't answer his question. That number can't be impressive if you don't have anything to compare it to. Let me put it this way: what number wouldn't have impressed you? Considering the number of people who seem to be actively posting on TL and the fact that this event is popular throughout the whole non-Asian SC scene I think that number is surprisingly low. Apparently not so many people enjoy watching the whole cast live. Does anybody have numbers for the vods? VODs (tracker): Ro16 Day 1: Status: 58 seeders , 8 leechers , completed 1698 times Hits: 7483 Ro16 Day 2: Status: 52 seeders , 23 leechers , completed 1851 times Hits: 4183 Ro8 Day 1: (only up for 18 hrs so far) Status: 121 seeders , 37 leechers , completed 822 times Hits: 1574 The tracker software is pretty bad though, the those may be inaccurate. VODs (youtube): http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=38E1EAF964B7B67D Min: 450 (not counting the ones that were just uploaded) Max: 3800 | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On May 19 2008 04:30 EnDeR_ wrote: You probably won't be able to tell us, but a meaningful number to compare this to would be the number of viewers Razer expected when they decided to sponsor the event. Are we fulfilling expectations? We originally expected about 2000 average. | ||
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
TSL has generated a lot of excitement for us, and we have been caught up in it. | ||
boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-23552 maybe then it will get up to frontpage and more people will hear about TSL that might otherwise not have :-) | ||
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
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Bifur
Russian Federation1208 Posts
On May 19 2008 03:24 Xeris wrote: that's actually a lot -_-! I think for Yankee League we had ~100-150 users per week listening live , so this is obviously much higher ^_^ In comparison to these numbers, the number of TSL-live-viewrs really looks impressive. | ||
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27147 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Chewits
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
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Mynock
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Of course there are also ways to improve on the TSL itself, and word-of-mouth marketing really works best in the event of a really good undertaking, so I'm also expecting development in the future just from the progressive improvement in quality. Let's see the stats after the finals, those will be a pretty good indicator of what's the actual trend. | ||
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Chewits
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
Maybe something a little more in your face? Just an idea. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
An idea would be to put up adv. banners on sites such as sk-gaming.com and gotfrag.com for the upcoming semifinals and finals to get the hype up early on! | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
On May 19 2008 08:38 Manifesto7 wrote: On one hand it is impressive, on the other I have the feeling it should be much much more. Promotion is a difficult task though. We can get out to the regular SC sites, but beyond that in the general gaming scene it is really difficult to generate interest. That makes sense. But at the same time, you guys must be able to understand that only persistance can make great things. If TSL gets to Season 2, Season 3, I think it's reasonable to expect twice that many visitors. If you get your head too into this, you may think the word is spread enough. but its not. Keep up the good work and the rewards will come, I'm sure. And thanks! | ||
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Everyone was working hard on making sure that the broadcast actually happened. It will be much, much easier to promote for future seasons (if we have future seasons) because we'll already have all the technical issues worked out and we can focus on things like marketing and promotion. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On May 19 2008 10:01 azndsh wrote: The problem is that only people who regularly watch SC in the first place would be interested. Otherwise you just have no idea what's going on. Not true at all. If we were to get some people who only generally follow video games to watch, StarCraft is a game that is easy enough to understand that even first time viewers, when they see zerglings and marines and zealots and storm and such, can follow the action on screen. Of course they won't understand as well as someone who regularly watches, but they'd definitely be able to comprehend a good amount and not just "have no idea." | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On May 19 2008 10:01 azndsh wrote: The problem is that only people who regularly watch SC in the first place would be interested. Otherwise you just have no idea what's going on. Not true at all. Tons of people from Shacknews watch who haven't played StarCraft in a decade. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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jingXD
United States283 Posts
On May 19 2008 10:02 Hot_Bid wrote: As much as we'd like to have promoted the TSL more, remember that we didn't know the final 16 until a week before the first broadcast, and we couldn't officially announce Razer as a sponsor until a few days before the first broadcast (even though we were confident that they'd sponsor, only the details and actually signing the contract had to take place). Everyone was working hard on making sure that the broadcast actually happened. It will be much, much easier to promote for future seasons (if we have future seasons) because we'll already have all the technical issues worked out and we can focus on things like marketing and promotion. IF we have future seasons? I thought it was a given that we would be able to enjoy plenty more seasons of amazing games to tide us through the endless finals periods. | ||
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gnuvince
Canada73 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On May 19 2008 04:16 Asta wrote: You actually didn't answer his question. That number can't be impressive if you don't have anything to compare it to. Let me put it this way: what number wouldn't have impressed you? Considering the number of people who seem to be actively posting on TL and the fact that this event is popular throughout the whole non-Asian SC scene I think that number is surprisingly low. Apparently not so many people enjoy watching the whole cast live. Does anybody have numbers for the vods? I'm guessing the numbers are significantly less than MSL, OSL and GSI. The GSI when it first started had 1 million unique IPs and GSI just appeared out of nowhere. The numbers for TSL is impresive because they aren't a huge company like MSL, OSL, and GSI. As GSI has proven with their english cast, there are a lot of people that enjoy watching the live cast. TSL just doesn't have the budget to market it like the big companies. | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On May 19 2008 10:39 [X]Ken_D wrote: I'm guessing the numbers are significantly less than MSL, OSL and GSI. The GSI when it first started had 1 million unique IPs and GSI just appeared out of nowhere. The numbers for TSL is impresive because they aren't a huge company like MSL, OSL, and GSI. As GSI has proven with their english cast, there are a lot of people that enjoy watching the live cast. TSL just doesn't have the budget to market it like the big companies. GSI had half a million IPs over the course of the tournament, and that almost definitely includes Korea. :p | ||
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
On May 19 2008 10:36 gnuvince wrote: What if announcements of the cast were posted to some social networking news sites a day before? For instance, both Digg and Reddit have a gaming section, so the people who'd see the announcement would be interested in gaming. Somebody could post the link with a good title ("Live cast of the largest non-Korean Starcraft tournament"), post the link on the TeamLiquid forums to get people to upvote the story to get it on the front page. We did that, and Digg admins quickly flagged it as abuse and shut it down. Besides the fact that your votes are weighted by the time you've been on the site, and most of our votes were first time Digg users. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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Showtime!
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XenOsky
Chile2268 Posts
it would increse the numbers of visitors | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
<_< What if we have +5 IP's? Not saying im a baned account, but I'm a nomad of leeching internet. I WILL GO IN SEARCH OF MORE IP's FOR TSL! | ||
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SonuvBob
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Plexa
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True_Spike
Poland3421 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On May 19 2008 18:30 Plexa wrote: Yea this tournament is about supporting and bringing life to the community while at the same time delivering TL Quality content (because tl quality is in a class of its own )You know how awesome TSL is? Yesterday friends came over to my place, we ordered Pizza and enjoyed TSL together :D! That awesome. | ||
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NathanSC
United States620 Posts
On May 19 2008 19:51 G.s)NarutO wrote: You know how awesome TSL is? Yesterday friends came over to my place, we ordered Pizza and enjoyed TSL together :D! That awesome. Pure win. I just realized that I need new friends. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32051 Posts
And I definitely think that if you do season 2, you will get a shitload more viewers. Like HB said, sponsors came on late (they're a huge plus, name recognition) and the final 16 wasnt determined til late. Some random idea~ • During the three week ladder qualifiers, maybe get together two of the higher ranked dudes for a bo3 showmatch on the weekend? Commentated by chill/artosis of course. • Have people sumbit rep's of the week, or plays of the week, with a sports center-esque countdown? • See if you can somehow pitch a little coverage to a general gaming website, like IGN or something? Like even just a *little* mention somewhere—not like a paid ad or anything—is probably jostle someone's memory. Someone who used to play is going to see it and go 'Shit! they still play BW?' and come check it out. • Make an absolutely huge banner, showing how to get to the TSL site and all that. Like fucking huge, so you see it first thing and can't miss it. Let's face it, people are dumb. Iunno. Just trying to help out a bit. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On May 19 2008 19:30 True_Spike wrote: Many people don't watch the live stream, because it starts too late. Stream finishes at 2/3 am for most europeans and many people have to go to school / work the next day. It's even worse for asians. now you know how it feels when tons of Euro tournaments and stuff are like 13-14 CET (horrible for Americans). | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
Also, I feel like the people that have been enjoying the stream haven't been vocal enough on other sites. If you go to some of the other sites, the only people that you see making comments are those that have some complaint (which are a big minority), while no-one is really comenting on the quality of the cast or the games. If we can have some positive word of mouth going, many more people might make the effort to come and watch. | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
On May 19 2008 10:04 Hot_Bid wrote: Not true at all. If we were to get some people who only generally follow video games to watch, StarCraft is a game that is easy enough to understand that even first time viewers, when they see zerglings and marines and zealots and storm and such, can follow the action on screen. Of course they won't understand as well as someone who regularly watches, but they'd definitely be able to comprehend a good amount and not just "have no idea." I agree with both of you to an extent. What I have to say is that there are people like me, who are passionate about SC and believe it's an art, and would watch live streams whether it be starleagues, or proleague, or TSL any day of the week. I would literally have it included in my schedule. I would make sure I knew when the streams were and make sure I had free time to sit at home and watch it. Then there are the people (the majority I believe) like my friends. They love e-sports, they play video games, but either don't actually like SC enough (yet) or know enough about the game to be motivated to plan out ahead and watch these streams live by themselves. A solution could be that I invite my interested friends over for a couple sessions of live stream and general gaming to get them at least closer to my level of interest and then the views would go up. But that might not happen very soon, so I hope you guys keep up the TSL and I'm sure more people will tune in live. Then of course there's the time issue but I don't know nearly enough to touch that. | ||
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LeGeNdZs[FcG]
Canada163 Posts
On May 19 2008 02:31 SonuvBob wrote: Some stats Rich gave us: 5/11: 1700-1800 avg 5/12: 2200-2300 avg Total of over 8000 different IPs to date. that means we could fill a stadium :D | ||
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uNiGNoRe
Germany1115 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
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indecision
Germany818 Posts
Anyhow, the VODs are great, and I actually enjoy seeding them | ||
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Eg!
Belgium49 Posts
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
Just go on MSN and message everyone "Hey, have you ever played SC before? Check out this tourny that's commented on in english with the best foreigners playing". You'd be surprised at how many random people have played SC and will enjoy watching good games. Try and do it 10-15 minutes before the game giving people that have watched it before warning and make sure they see the fantastic intro. | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
On B.net, there are those posters at the top of the channels that always have some bs about WoW t-shirts or something like that. Why not ask blizzard to put up a tsl poster instead of the stupid t-shirt ads? Maybe Razer could do some convincing Also iccup has the banner. | ||
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
On May 20 2008 02:37 Daigomi wrote: The problem is, if we make it any earlier for the Euro people, the US people won't be back from work yet. We will definitely consider things like this in more detail for next season though. Mostly I think we need more word of mouth going, and perhaps next season we can get China as well. All in all, the admin of the site can only make news articles on so many sites, and we need you regular visitors that are in positions of power to help spread the news. I'm in the US, Mountain Time Zone, and the games are starting at 2:30 in the afternoon. I don't work on weekends, but if I did I'd be missing the games in that case. (only people in the Eastern Time Zone would be getting off work around the time games start) So really, it could be pushed a little earlier without that many problems for US viewers, at least imo. That said, I LOVE being able to watch SC broadcasts in the afternoon The Korean leagues broadcast at something like 4:00 in the morning here... I can't do that anymore with my work schedule. | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
On May 20 2008 03:20 Last Romantic wrote: At this rate, they're paying slightly over a dollar per unique IP; that seems fairly cost-effective. Regarding the slightly over a dollar would only work if you disregard the videostreaming. Video streaming is very demanding and having to buy additional servers to accommodate the amount of people watching live, plus the amount of other work put into it, the whole production could cost up to half of the prize money. | ||
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Night[Mare
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merz
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thedeadhaji
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sunday can be tough though, but b/c vods come up within like 12 hours, there's not too much harm done. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On May 20 2008 06:02 Dknight wrote: Regarding the slightly over a dollar would only work if you disregard the videostreaming. Video streaming is very demanding and having to buy additional servers to accommodate the amount of people watching live, plus the amount of other work put into it, the whole production could cost up to half of the prize money. Aren't TL people working for basically free? | ||
Xeofreestyler
Belgium6771 Posts
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ulszz
Jamaica1787 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On May 20 2008 07:00 Xeofreestyler wrote: Err yeah production cost is basically zero. Staff & graphics team are doing this out of love for SC. lol xeo we start charging them per graphic next time yea  | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On May 20 2008 06:02 Dknight wrote: Regarding the slightly over a dollar would only work if you disregard the videostreaming. Video streaming is very demanding and having to buy additional servers to accommodate the amount of people watching live, plus the amount of other work put into it, the whole production could cost up to half of the prize money. We handle all the server stuff; it's actually pretty cheap compared to the prize money (Razer covers it, of course). | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
How could I help? Should I just leave my computer on and go afk? Or should I make a script to refresh the razer site every so often to make sure my IP is counted? | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On May 19 2008 15:04 SonuvBob wrote: We don't care about IPs, we care about actual human beings watching. :p You can help by getting more people to watch. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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Straylight
Canada706 Posts
I just mention this because someone suggested advertising TSL on Battle.net. | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
On May 20 2008 07:49 SonuvBob wrote: We handle all the server stuff; it's actually pretty cheap compared to the prize money (Razer covers it, of course). I thought I read that Razer was covering the prize money plus everything dealing with the videostreaming. For the streaming, I meant just more than servers but also the intro/art/design/etc. | ||
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SonuvBob
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pms
Poland611 Posts
On May 19 2008 19:51 G.s)NarutO wrote: You know how awesome TSL is? Yesterday friends came over to my place, we ordered Pizza and enjoyed TSL together :D! That awesome. Hehe, very nice. Sad I don't have friends keen on SC. Instead I've recommended TSL on the newsgroup of my univ, and now I'm bit shocked how it worked well, it gathered like 3-6 people, who probably would keep on regular watching TSL. And of course we started to discuss games on the mentioned newsgroup, now it looks like TL forum threads.. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
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sD.SoeT
Sweden2 Posts
And a VERY GREAT THANKS FOR YOUR BRODCAST! :D:D:D best regards sOet | ||
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Xeofreestyler
Belgium6771 Posts
On May 20 2008 07:18 alffla wrote: lol xeo we start charging them per graphic next time yea hahah graphics team boycot! | ||
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On May 21 2008 16:26 useLess wrote: how about some sort of exhibition match during the semis or finals by bring back a few of the players that were knocked out earlier? the broadcasts are shorter, the matches fewer. having mondi play will easily bring in lots of viewers Actually I think this a very good idea. I got used to watching 5+ games, and only one set of bo5 seems a bit few for me . | ||
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Rambling.
Canada314 Posts
Great work guys keep it up. | ||
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Raiju
Australia235 Posts
But you all know the ppl who don't tune in are losing out big time. TSL coverage has been near world class, the difference between GOM Star Invitiational and TSL has been nothing to me, TSL has made me skip work 2weeks in a row haha. Great job. Let me leave u with this. If u build it they will come. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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Signet
United States1718 Posts
Not sure how good an idea that is, but it would certainly be interesting and test the players' versatility. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On May 22 2008 05:11 fight_or_flight wrote: Do the korean events ever re-stream the broadcast after it is over? Is it feasible/a good idea? Our broadcast costs for re-streaming would not be covered by Razer. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32051 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
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useLess
United States4781 Posts
On May 22 2008 05:21 Last Romantic wrote: Our broadcast costs for re-streaming would not be covered by Razer. would it be feasible to broadcast a highlight/recap show? showcasing the best showings, etc for maybe 2 hours or so | ||
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
But send a tip to kotaku.com joystiq.com those are two of the big gaming blogs I can guarantee they will post about the tournament if people can enter. Although now that I think about it it wouldn't be a bad idea to send it in now. (For the record I kept meaning to send in a tip during the ladder stage but I only remembered when I couldn't do it for whatever reason) | ||
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Get.Midikem
Sweden312 Posts
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Get.Midikem
Sweden312 Posts
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On May 23 2008 22:53 Musli wrote: When the games will be shown 'really live' the numbers will grow up too. I know it's hard. You may say 'what's the difference when you don't know the results' but there is some. It's something in our minds that makes such games less attractive, knowing they arent played live but just casted from a replay. I'm not a psychologist so I won't tell you the details but that's what I think. We did everything in our power to make live games happen. The logistics behind it are ridiculous with non live games let alone trying to connect players half a world away with 3 commentators and an observer....This has all been discussed alot - some day when i have billions of dollars i will have fibre lines going to everyone's home and then we can do live. | ||
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
On May 23 2008 22:53 Musli wrote: When the games will be shown 'really live' the numbers will grow up too. I know it's hard. You may say 'what's the difference when you don't know the results' but there is some. It's something in our minds that makes such games less attractive, knowing they arent played live but just casted from a replay. I'm not a psychologist so I won't tell you the details but that's what I think. I don't think it matters that much as long as the results aren't known beforehand. Live would have a bigger "neat" factor to me, but its not really that big of a deal. | ||
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PePe QuiCoSE
Argentina1204 Posts
On May 20 2008 09:47 Straylight wrote: Yes, it is illegal but Blizzard just acts like they don't exist. It's free publicity for them (in a marketable fashion, and the assumption that it's not worth fighting them). If ICCUP ever tried to make money with the ladder, then yes, they're screwed.While I love Razer for sponsoring TSL, is ICCup even legal? Haven't Bnet clones always been a nono from Blizzard, even though they happen? I just mention this because someone suggested advertising TSL on Battle.net. I guess that considering Blizzard approach to fans, they wouldn't mind actually but they won't do it due to legal reasons. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On May 23 2008 22:53 Musli wrote: When the games will be shown 'really live' the numbers will grow up too. I know it's hard. You may say 'what's the difference when you don't know the results' but there is some. It's something in our minds that makes such games less attractive, knowing they arent played live but just casted from a replay. I'm not a psychologist so I won't tell you the details but that's what I think. 1. We cast replays with little or no technical difficulties, and run a show that is not "true live" but is still pretty good. We get viewers, but maybe we'd get more if we did true live. 2. We make it "true live" and have massive lag, scheduling, and technical issues. Or we make it live and on Bnet latency and the game quality is bad and the players are pissed off and it doesn't even solve all the lag issues. People watch initially and then don't watch because it's a disaster due to all these problems. The staff decided that #1 is the safer and better option given that this is our first TSL. We can't take a huge risk (screwing the entire broadcast) for a potentially small group of viewers (those that would watch if it were true live but wouldn't if it was casted replays). It was a pretty easy decision actually. As for the numbers itself, I'm very satisfied. We actually get more viewers than a lot of the regular season proleague matches. We only got 500 or so for TLA and getting close to 3000 for the first TSL is a great achievement. Again, this is our first try at it. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 23 2008 23:39 Kennigit wrote: And to give a recent example from last week: Gosia vs Nony was not even lagfree with only three people in the game (2 players, 1 observer, iccup with extra high latency)We did everything in our power to make live games happen. The logistics behind it are ridiculous with non live games let alone trying to connect players half a world away with 3 commentators and an observer....This has all been discussed alot - some day when i have billions of dollars i will have fibre lines going to everyone's home and then we can do live. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
An interesting idea: what if TL had been extra careful to not let the "replay has finished" dialog pop up on the stream or show any building activity? Could they have just tricked everyone into thinking it was really live? Probably... | ||
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sasal
Germany74 Posts
Like news, storys and interviews about players that are from the same nation. Also or even especially on local esport and gaming sites. The more closer we get to the Starcraft 2 release the more Blizzard wants to rise the global interest for the Starcraft universe I guess. Maybe there are also some connections possible with the TSL filling one of the foreign esport parts. The Blizzard fanbase itself must be pretty huge. Unfortunately the most gamers are addicted to this mmorpg stuff(I read a time ago around 9 million wow accounts). So building up some connections and similarities to attract their interest is pretty hard. | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
On May 23 2008 23:39 Kennigit wrote: We did everything in our power to make live games happen. The logistics behind it are ridiculous with non live games let alone trying to connect players half a world away with 3 commentators and an observer....This has all been discussed alot - some day when i have billions of dollars i will have fibre lines going to everyone's home and then we can do live. I think you guys made the right choice considering it is the first TSL, it turned out very well. I'm curious though, how are you guys set up? | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
That'd be awesome. | ||
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CoralReefer
Canada2069 Posts
what software is used on the server side? what % of the client's upstream bandwidth is used to transmit the video to the server? where/when is the ventrilo stream combined with the video stream? | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
On May 19 2008 04:09 SonuvBob wrote: So the 1700 says to the 7000, "Hey 7000, why do you smell so bad?" And the 7000 responds, "Because I was just pulled out of Klogon's ass!" ROFL ahahaha lets just spread the word as much as possible guys also remember this is a rough period of the year, final exams and what not are at hand | ||
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gnuvince
Canada73 Posts
http://reddit.com/info/6kl4a/comments/ If you have an account there, please vote the story up and let's try to get the word out! | ||
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
Guys like Draco, Testie, Mondragon... they have their fanclubs. The winner of this tourney will probably receive more hype and be watched closer next season. | ||
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SonuvBob
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Uris
United States47 Posts
On May 26 2008 09:36 SonuvBob wrote: About 3500 average today. Wow! That is impressive, there should be double that amount since next week is the final. :-) That is, unless they get turned away from a pvp final but hey, there's still a pvt third place match so that's good to watch as well.:p | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On May 26 2008 09:36 SonuvBob wrote: About 3500 average today. How many russian ips? | ||
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SonuvBob
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
http://youtube.com/streams_main We could use it to post stream stuff, would be fun. If it can hold 5k+ people ^^ edit: nvm it's 300 >< | ||
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Native
Poland105 Posts
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On May 27 2008 05:03 Native wrote: Mayby some1 can write how many ips from each Contry r watching TSL?:D I think 1st USA 2 GER 3 POL/RUS : ) Yeah, that's right, though for Draco vs Nony it was 1. USA 2. POL 3. GER. | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3421 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
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SayaSP
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
There are two things I would like to see; whoever is controlling the obs should be in voicechat with the commentators, though not on the stream. Im assuming the commentators and obs have bandwidth for this. This would allow him to speak in a really unprofessional way and talk over the commentators to point things out. It doesnt seem very unprofessional when the obs misses something (you even see shuttles on the minimap on korean games get missed by the obs occasionally) but it seems very unprofessional when something happens on the screen and the commentators miss is, especially if they bring it up after the obs has moved. more post match, especially interviews with winners and losers. this could easily be on a seperate show with non-live interviews played midweek to keep the flow of the tournament going. just some good analysis and stuff. tsl is so awesome i watch it live from my crappy timezone. <3 | ||
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3421 Posts
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
On May 26 2008 09:36 SonuvBob wrote: About 3500 average today. Nice. I'm guessing I have the only Bahrain IP from that 3500 amirite? | ||
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
On May 28 2008 03:55 True_Spike wrote: Yeah, I watched the Draco vs Nony games together with my friends, too. We actually moved everything we needed (food, beers, even a toaster) over to the room where the computer was, so that we wouldn't have to move once the stream started. We were yelling so loud we had to tone it down a bit to not wake up anyone else in the house (as it was pretty late). We didn't hear much of the commentary though, as we were commentating ourselves most of the time, arguing between each other who's going to win. Was pretty fun i wish i had friends who played sc and wouldn't think i was a huge dork for watching this | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
On May 28 2008 03:55 True_Spike wrote: Yeah, I watched the Draco vs Nony games together with my friends, too. We actually moved everything we needed (food, beers, even a toaster) over to the room where the computer was, so that we wouldn't have to move once the stream started. We were yelling so loud we had to tone it down a bit to not wake up anyone else in the house (as it was pretty late). We didn't hear much of the commentary though, as we were commentating ourselves most of the time, arguing between each other who's going to win. Was pretty fun haha, same here for two weeks already, ive had 5 people watching with me bratok vs dreiven and a lesser crew for some other games | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
On May 28 2008 05:44 never_toss wrote: its over 9000!!!! That could be possible in the finals !!!! (dont think so but maybe) If its over 9000 then its REALLY great in this case. its not just a "over 9000" as always but this time its possible. @han00b: why are so many people watching it in german??? WTF i think english casters are ALOT better than the crappy german casters.....and its more original. you can laugh about quotes with other people here and stuff. I cant really think of one reason to watch german.........i assume they understand english T_T | ||
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uNiGNoRe
Germany1115 Posts
Apart from that, I would not assume that all the ESL-TV watchers are capable of at least understanding english. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Personally I think they talk too much stupid shit (Christian more than Uli of course). Not that it's really bad, but it could be much, much better. | ||
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Krzycho
Poland442 Posts
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0cz3c
United States564 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
I know 19 CET = 1pm EST (10 am PST) so it's not TOO early for USA / Canada. Anything less than 19 CET though is just beastly for us North Americans... | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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Reflex
Canada703 Posts
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Reflex
Canada703 Posts
Also, I think TL crashed razer's site, rofl. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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SonuvBob
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404.Nintu
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On June 02 2008 07:44 Reflex wrote: Anyone know the grand final turnout? It must have been huge what with the stream crash and all. Also, I think TL crashed razer's site, rofl. I noticed that Razer's site is dead. I wondered what was going, but I doubt it's because of TSL. | ||
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Jive-
Denmark9 Posts
On June 02 2008 10:51 Nintu wrote: I wanna know grand final numbers aswell. | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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NoNameLoser
United States1508 Posts
and whats the benefit of keeping them secret? | ||
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
.... ??? nvmd yah im curious as well | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On June 03 2008 11:00 liger13 wrote: F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 hmm, the benefit?... thats the real question isnt it.... the more people that dont know and want to know the more people constantly wondering and coming back to this site.... which gives more hits to the site, which must mean something... .... ??? nvmd yah im curious as well | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On June 03 2008 11:06 fight_or_flight wrote: They are probably just getting all the info together for the whole event, all the statistics, keeping track of unique ips that download vods (hopefully), etc. You will find out shortly. Thank you. You guys should listen to this man. | ||
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OakHill
United States168 Posts
On May 19 2008 05:16 EtherealDeath wrote: TL.NET ASSEMBLE!! Time to spam views for http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-23552 maybe then it will get up to frontpage and more people will hear about TSL that might otherwise not have :-) What a silly article. This game is 10 years old and to think the TSL will rejuvenate a "professional" scene is hysterical. He then compares a game that has been out 10 years and has sold "over 9 million units" to a game that sold over 8 million in under a year (Halo 3). I personally enjoyed the TSL but his assumptions and "hopes" are borderline ABSURD if he's thinking the StarCraft: BW scene can progress much more. Could the TSL progress the scene further? Sure. But once SC2 is released, Pro Gaming in the United States will come from MLG/ESPN and other large companies adopting it into their circuits, not from a niche website (again I am not bashing TeamLiquid.net, it's just that TL's reach realistically cannot grow big enough). And of course don't ignore the fact that once SC2 is released that the foreign scene for SC:BW will most likely largely vanish. Anyways I look forward to TSL 2 and thanks to everyone who made an amazing first season possible. | ||
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Reflex
Canada703 Posts
On June 05 2008 15:11 OakHill wrote: What a silly article. This game is 10 years old and to think the TSL will rejuvenate a "professional" scene is hysterical. He then compares a game that has been out 10 years and has sold "over 9 million units" to a game that sold over 8 million in under a year (Halo 3). I personally enjoyed the TSL but his assumptions and "hopes" are borderline ABSURD if he's thinking the StarCraft: BW scene can progress much more. Could the TSL progress the scene further? Sure. But once SC2 is released, Pro Gaming in the United States will come from MLG/ESPN and other large companies adopting it into their circuits, not from a niche website (again I am not bashing TeamLiquid.net, it's just that TL's reach realistically cannot grow big enough). And of course don't ignore the fact that once SC2 is released that the foreign scene for SC:BW will most likely largely vanish. Anyways I look forward to TSL 2 and thanks to everyone who made an amazing first season possible. stop that >.> | ||
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iG.Zeep
Mexico253 Posts
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
On June 05 2008 15:11 OakHill wrote: What a silly article. This game is 10 years old and to think the TSL will rejuvenate a "professional" scene is hysterical. He then compares a game that has been out 10 years and has sold "over 9 million units" to a game that sold over 8 million in under a year (Halo 3). I personally enjoyed the TSL but his assumptions and "hopes" are borderline ABSURD if he's thinking the StarCraft: BW scene can progress much more. Could the TSL progress the scene further? Sure. But once SC2 is released, Pro Gaming in the United States will come from MLG/ESPN and other large companies adopting it into their circuits, not from a niche website (again I am not bashing TeamLiquid.net, it's just that TL's reach realistically cannot grow big enough). And of course don't ignore the fact that once SC2 is released that the foreign scene for SC:BW will most likely largely vanish. Anyways I look forward to TSL 2 and thanks to everyone who made an amazing first season possible. True that the SC BW scene won't suddenly explode in a flash of light but hopefully TSL gave foreign progaming a kick up the ass and the potential can be fully realised with starcraft 2 | ||
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