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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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FreeDoM[YA]
Canada855 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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epicdoom
United States489 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Too many personal attacks and calling progamers noobs. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1711 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
Off-topic, I always daydreamed that if I ever ran a forum (not going to happen) I would implement two versions of the site: moderated and unmoderated. The two versions would be exactly the same except for moderated posts/posts by banned users, which would appear only in the unmoderated versions. I suppose I would have to put some thought into how to deal with replies to posts by banned users, and so forth (the forums I was reading at that time were mostly threaded, which makes that bit of it easier). Which version you saw as the default could be a setting in the user-profile or something. It might be an interesting social experiment to see what people did with that sort of option. | ||
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DownMaxX
Canada1311 Posts
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StalkerSC
Canada378 Posts
On May 14 2009 08:04 DownMaxX wrote: Moderately moderated. Just enough to get rid of all the idiots, assholes, spammers, trolls and shitty threads to make this place as great as it is. Took the words out of my mouth.. | ||
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Solidus_315
213 Posts
On May 14 2009 08:04 DownMaxX wrote: Moderately moderated. Just enough to get rid of all the idiots, assholes, spammers, trolls and shitty threads to make this place as great as it is. There always will be idiots and assholes but moderation shuts them up. | ||
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DrTJEckleburg
United States1080 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25986 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
Anyway, frankly speaking, I love teamliquid's moderation the best so far (besides sudden random closing of threads for which some are quite legit) | ||
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Tom Phoenix
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
so yeah gj guys | ||
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LeperKahn
Romania1845 Posts
Team Liquid has a great balance. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
and the quality of it, obviously | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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yukido
Germany102 Posts
It's true and it sounds funny. | ||
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TheFlashyOne
Canada450 Posts
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
Once upon a time, there was a poster named G0ldie_l0x, and she came across three forums. Looking in a thread on the first forum, it was too moderated, everyone was afraid to post anything for fear of being banned. Looking in the next forum, it was too undermoderated, the forum was effectively content-free. Then she came to the last forum, it was juuuuuuuuuuust right. She settled down and became active at Teamliquid.net. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On May 14 2009 08:55 PH wrote: some decisions are questionable imo. I can live with it. On May 18 2001 12:00 Lord Farquaad said: Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
there wasn't an option for that in the poll but that's what i think  >> also lol at "moderately moderated" haha >> and i also have always agreed with mani that the future of TL relies most on the average user setting a proper example for new posters | ||
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anTi_
United States499 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
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lgd-haze
Sweden547 Posts
Like this case (I dunno if he got banned, but he certainly got flamed) + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2009 18:20 Geo.Rion wrote: i dont agree on Luxury's ZvP being that good, his placement is justified though. My toughts on the finals: jangbi is a very strong toss, but not the best against Z, certanely not weak, i dont think he's even top 3, debatable Game 1: Sim-city mistake, what the hell Jangbi, not even B teamers do this kind of mistakes, with lingrunby he killed 8 probes and the forge once again. Jangbi still was in that, til he decided is fun to send a ctrl group of units in lurkers sunkens spores lings and whatnot at Lux's natural Game 2: What a letdown, Luxury opened very strong teching hive, having presence on the map, and when Jangbi moves out instead of denieing the next expo or flanking the mian army he sends 2 groups of cracklings to die for nothing.. Game 3 ling runby, you cant blame Jangbi, that was nice, but than with 7-8 lings he barely killed any probes. Ok, he done the dmg, but the best ZvP player should rape the probes with that many lings. Jangbi tought he's smart and gone 2 stargate, gg Game 4 Nicely done really, this was beautiful, Luxury played it perfect, jangbi didnt but that's not Lux's fault other than that, very nicely done, pity it's this late On April 10 2009 18:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: hey Geo.Rion: I can taste your tears, crying about how late the Power Rank is. They are salty, and they are making me dumber. Cry out the dumb, Geo.Rion. Cry it all out. Other than that I really think mods are doing a great job. An example is how Chill keeps the strategic forum clean! I voted slighty over-moderated, but I guess in the long run it'll do good Edit: Im dumb and that had no relevance to that poll. I think its perfectly moderated P.S. Dont ban me  | ||
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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On May 14 2009 10:42 Luddite wrote: dumbasses He said a bad word!  | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
edit: Voted "very under-moderated" because my mouse is screwing up on this surface =P | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
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Marine50
Australia1764 Posts
Things like [H] tags missing and failing to provide a replay gets the moderators attention fast, they are over bearing at lot of the time | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
But I like it this way. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
Good job. | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22256 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On May 14 2009 10:41 lgd-Haze wrote: I get the feeling that sometimes if you post something that contradicts or just counter-argue with a mod you would get banned. Like this case (I dunno if he got banned, but he certainly got flamed) + Show Spoiler + On April 10 2009 18:20 Geo.Rion wrote: i dont agree on Luxury's ZvP being that good, his placement is justified though. My toughts on the finals: jangbi is a very strong toss, but not the best against Z, certanely not weak, i dont think he's even top 3, debatable Game 1: Sim-city mistake, what the hell Jangbi, not even B teamers do this kind of mistakes, with lingrunby he killed 8 probes and the forge once again. Jangbi still was in that, til he decided is fun to send a ctrl group of units in lurkers sunkens spores lings and whatnot at Lux's natural Game 2: What a letdown, Luxury opened very strong teching hive, having presence on the map, and when Jangbi moves out instead of denieing the next expo or flanking the mian army he sends 2 groups of cracklings to die for nothing.. Game 3 ling runby, you cant blame Jangbi, that was nice, but than with 7-8 lings he barely killed any probes. Ok, he done the dmg, but the best ZvP player should rape the probes with that many lings. Jangbi tought he's smart and gone 2 stargate, gg Game 4 Nicely done really, this was beautiful, Luxury played it perfect, jangbi didnt but that's not Lux's fault other than that, very nicely done, pity it's this late On April 10 2009 18:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: hey Geo.Rion: I can taste your tears, crying about how late the Power Rank is. They are salty, and they are making me dumber. Cry out the dumb, Geo.Rion. Cry it all out. Other than that I really think mods are doing a great job. An example is how Chill keeps the strategic forum clean! I voted slighty over-moderated, but I guess in the long run it'll do good Edit: Im dumb and that had no relevance to that poll. I think its perfectly moderated P.S. Dont ban me BANNED FOR INSOLENCE "BAN EVERYONE FOREVER" - FakeSteve | ||
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Chuiu
3470 Posts
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Latham
9563 Posts
But, thank you mods, I know you're doing all you can! I love you <3! | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + or else I might not be here | ||
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9030 Posts
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
I don't like the way fakesteve does stuff, let's just leave it at that. | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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Texas
Germany2388 Posts
On May 14 2009 08:49 Frits wrote: i am very happy with the amount of moderation that goes on at teamliquid and the quality of it, obviously yepp most of the trolls and retards got erased here unlike on other sites, good thingy. | ||
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Valio
Finland77 Posts
On May 14 2009 13:03 FirstBorn wrote: Moderately moderated. Perhaps someone frequenting gg.net or other close-to-unmoderated forums would disagree, but you guys are keeping this place retard-free. Good job. gg.net doesn't need as much moderation as this forum. Its a fact. TL moderates way more than gg.net. I'm happy with both tho. Got smth to do with the average age of the members I suppose. I guess theres no W. T. Snacks here. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
If so, i would say this site is very well self moderated with a couple exceptions from new posters/ moody posters here and there. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On May 14 2009 17:23 Valio wrote: gg.net doesn't need as much moderation as this forum. Its a fact. TL moderates way more than gg.net. I'm happy with both tho. Got smth to do with the average age of the members I suppose. I guess theres no W. T. Snacks here. ![[image loading]](/staff/JWD/misc/tlggvenn.jpg) | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
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Sprite
United States1015 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On May 14 2009 16:54 Nytefish wrote: I think it's slighty over moderated, but that's better than being under. I don't like the way fakesteve does stuff, let's just leave it at that. BANNED BECAUSE I HAVE POOR QUALITY OF LIFE | ||
zatic
Zurich15354 Posts
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
 ) and they aren't pushovers. One reason I still visit TL | ||
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
If the mods were a bit more keen on stating the rules when there's transgressions, I think more posters would behave. | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 14 2009 16:09 Garnet wrote: Slightly under-moderated, since swearing like "fuck" is not banned. This is actually the very best thing about the entire forums. It's so annoying when you can't talk properly on some forums, as if some 8-year-olds would get traumas. | ||
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Dyllyn
Singapore670 Posts
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
I got banned for calling an ugly girl ugly. I don't see how that deserves a ban, maybe a warning but that's it imho. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 14 2009 19:47 HatchetWound wrote: i voted slightly over moderated. I love the site and i understand there has to be some order but some times i don't even feel comfortable posting in fear i might get banned or some thing. The internet is a weird thing when your reading words some body typed it is difficult to show emotion thru them. basicly what im sayin is people interpret differently how some body ment to say something. (if that makes any sense) lol You are of course entitled to your opinion and it's fine that you feel it's slightly over-moderated, but I don't understand your reasoning. There is nothing to be afraid of. Personally I have been a member on a number of internet forums since I started using the web in 1998, some still exist and some don't. Several of them are (or were) more heavily moderated than TL and yet I have never been banned (or temp banned) anywhere. Once I received a PM from Beyonder (a mod) commenting on a post of mine (which I believe I had even edited by the time I read the PM, not 100% sure on this though) years ago, before I became staff and a warning for calling out/flaming a (now ex-)mod on broodwar.de. Both of them were probably deserved (although I still think that guy is stupid -.-). That's the closest I have ever gotten to a forum ban in 11 years on the web. I know this is may seem easy to say with the rather protected status of being a moderator, but my honest opinion is that it is actually pretty hard to get banned from TL (or any other forum I have visited for that matter), if one applies the slightest amount of common sense when posting. | ||
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uNiGNoRe
Germany1115 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25986 Posts
On May 15 2009 01:35 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Slightly over-moderated I got banned for calling an ugly girl ugly. I don't see how that deserves a ban, maybe a warning but that's it imho. In the interest of full disclosure + Show Spoiler + You got banned for saying "My god is she ugly" in a thread about a nevergg interview So ya, completely, completely warranted. | ||
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DarkShadowz
Sweden321 Posts
The moderation will be tested for real however once SC2 get released. The amount of new people flooding in will bring lots of retards and a lot more work. I hope TL will keep the ban hammer ready. <3 TL.net | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On May 14 2009 07:43 freelander wrote: Moderately moderated haha | ||
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RyanS
United States620 Posts
What I do dislike is that it seems like if a post is something that staff members don't like or don't agree with(not necessarily against any rules) they take up an attitude and post something totally nasty in response. It just seems a little excessive and not setting a good example for the members. I feel it could be a much happier place overall. | ||
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danieldrsa
Brazil523 Posts
Since im a stater here on teamliquid (and noob on SC) i have some dumb questions even after reading the Recomended Threads and playing some games, but after some closed threads in strategy section i admit i have some fear to post there Sometimes i wish to just ask, "hey i keep dying to 3 hatch hydra-lurker, why?" or "He did a 9 pool but crushed me with hydras, how can i defend this?" without doing a lenght post. You know, is not that im lazy, sometimes you just want to ask a quick question and get a quick answer and thats all. And ocasionally the search function take you to some difficult to understand threads, especially to starters. Perhaps a space in the site dedicated to quick question-quick answers, or a small box with a live chat can help (or even a noob questions section). This can be good since SC2 is coming, and i imagine a huge amount of noobs will come to try teamliquid (i can only sorry for the moderators when this happen , lot of work is coming ).Besides all, this is the best moderated forum ive ever frequented and wish that dont change (ok perhaps just a little bit more forgiving to respectful starters) | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9104 Posts
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Lord_of_Chaos
Sweden372 Posts
Well, I think tl.net is moderate. This is easily one of the best, if not the best, forum I've visited and I got my share of experience to back that statement up. Based on the ideal of "This is our site, not yours, and you are here as a guest until you are here as a friend until you are hear as family" the moderation fits that idea perfectly imo. Nobody's perfect and I'm sure tl.net admins fuck up once in a while too, but the moderation policies and the ideals of the site are fair. Don't behave like an idiot, think before you post and respect other users. Not saying the forum policies haven't lead to any problems, but you can never get perfect. You need to find a good balance. I think TL.net has it. The reason why gg.net and other forums are behind TL.net is not because of moderation policies though. So please don't compare the sites solely on moderation ideals. But that is a completely different issue. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On May 15 2009 04:29 Jonoman92 wrote: Well I think TL is more moderated than many other sites but I also think that's a good thing. This is how I feel as well and the main reason why I like TL. Plus the layout is great. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On May 15 2009 04:31 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: Of course, and we would never claim to be perfect. Nobody's perfect and I'm sure tl.net admins fuck up once in a while too, but the moderation policies and the ideals of the site are fair. The active moderators usually keep a pretty good track of who is banned by other moderators and not so clear bans or discussed pretty regularly. I'm sure most people here know the banlist in the Closed Forum. The same list exists in the Men In Red Forum (aka staff forum). It actually existed in MiR before Meat put a copy of it in the Closed Forum. If I skip the posts in the MiR-banlist that were made before there was a public banlist in the Closed Forum, I count 236 pages for the staff only banlist and 154 pages for the public banlist, so there are some 80 pages made by mods and other staff in it. Now of course some of these posts will be like "oh yeah that guy should've been banned a while ago", or "good riddance", or staff member who doesn't have moderator access will point out a user who could use a warning or ban, but I think this shows that we exercise a pretty healthy internal self-control regarding bans. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25986 Posts
On May 15 2009 04:26 danieldrsa wrote: well, slightly over-moderated to me, but only slightly Since im a stater here on teamliquid (and noob on SC) i have some dumb questions even after reading the Recomended Threads and playing some games, but after some closed threads in strategy section i admit i have some fear to post there Sometimes i wish to just ask, "hey i keep dying to 3 hatch hydra-lurker, why?" or "He did a 9 pool but crushed me with hydras, how can i defend this?" without doing a lenght post. You know, is not that im lazy, sometimes you just want to ask a quick question and get a quick answer and thats all. And ocasionally the search function take you to some difficult to understand threads, especially to starters. Perhaps a space in the site dedicated to quick question-quick answers, or a small box with a live chat can help (or even a noob questions section). This can be good since SC2 is coming, and i imagine a huge amount of noobs will come to try teamliquid (i can only sorry for the moderators when this happen , lot of work is coming ).Besides all, this is the best moderated forum ive ever frequented and wish that dont change (ok perhaps just a little bit more forgiving to respectful starters) Yes. I'm aware of this and trying to fix it. A good example is this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93291 My initial reaction was to close it, but after rereading it you can it asks a very specific question that could generate discussion. Sometimes it's hard to draw the line that perfectly separates bad from good, so I'd ask that people just PM me if they feel I've made a wrong decision. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
also, @danieldrsa - In general, the recommended threads do a pretty good job. I think that this game is so hard for new people to get into that writing anything definitive is difficult about the game, especially if you want it to last longer than the current map pool. | ||
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Lord_of_Chaos
Sweden372 Posts
It's reasonable, from the user's perspective, to keep it open. However from the admin's and forum's perspective it's not a good idea as it will dilute the quality of the site. I tried to solve that over at gg.net by creating a "Short Question Thread" in the strategic forum, which I believe had some good results. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
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Mooga
United States575 Posts
On April 10 2009 18:44 Geo.Rion wrote: i am suggesting you are bashing on whatever you can and ignoring any criticism, i write a ~10 round long post about sg you mentioned, write a PS which include a few words "it's pity it's late", you dont answer my analyses, that's fine, you are not supposed to, but you answer the PS and you are saying i'm a crybaby. Whatever, if that makes you feel happy and mature, go ahead. Pretty much self-explanatory. + Show Spoiler + On May 14 2009 13:50 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: the rule says its up to the referee to make a decision everyone is pissed off because the rule was stupid when it happened to Leta, but then it was changed to be less stupid, but the same thing happened in an equally stupid situation last night even though the rules have been changed i mean this is just clarification for the thread, risingdragoon can't respond because i banned himfor calling someone a 'remedial kid' and basically saying stupid more than i've said stupid in this here post, but to a bunch of people. mind your manners man, come on "and basically saying stupid more than i've said stupid in this here post" In his twelve posts in that thread, he said stupid once. The last time I checked, 1 is less than 5. And, by the way, I fully agree with your ban because calling someone a "remedial kid" is like the equivalent of fucking someone's mother with a inverted vagina donkey dildo, jizzing all over his mother's forehead while dancing in circles singing Stacey's Mom by Fountains of Wayne, impregnating her, and returning four months later to FALCON PUNCH her uterus aborting the baby in the process. Damn that is harsh, he should be banned 4 life dude. "Cry out the dumb" and calling someone a "crying baby" (in the first spoiler tag of my post) is a little hypocritical in light of your other post, don't you think? You know how some people can't fucking drive and everyone knows that they shouldn't be on the road? And yet they still get driver's licenses and constantly piss off everyone who is unfortunate enough to be on the road with them? Well, the same goes for moderators with the privilege to ban users, because some clearly shouldn't be given the power to do it. Nonetheless, I will vote slightly over-moderated rather than very over-moderated, because every mod - other than a certain one here - normally displays the capacity to moderate well. In fact, I think most of the mods here are doing an awesome job! | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
and PS ofc the poll will be biased towards overmoderated because we have the banned users and lurkers who are gonna vote on that out of spite. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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danieldrsa
Brazil523 Posts
On May 15 2009 05:23 Chill wrote: Yes. I'm aware of this and trying to fix it. A good example is this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93291 My initial reaction was to close it, but after rereading it you can it asks a very specific question that could generate discussion. Sometimes it's hard to draw the line that perfectly separates bad from good, so I'd ask that people just PM me if they feel I've made a wrong decision. good to know you care On May 15 2009 05:26 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: Also depends on what way you look at it. A question might be perfectly viable from the user's perspective, ie he can't get the info as far as he knows in any other way. But it might still be a lower quality op than the average. It's reasonable, from the user's perspective, to keep it open. However from the admin's and forum's perspective it's not a good idea as it will dilute the quality of the site. I tried to solve that over at gg.net by creating a "Short Question Thread" in the strategic forum, which I believe had some good results. dont know for sure, but i think something like that short question thread could help a lot | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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Ra.Xor.2
United States1784 Posts
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
man of few words what can i do | ||
KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
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Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 15 2009 04:31 Lord_of_Chaos wrote: The reason why gg.net and other forums are behind TL.net is not because of moderation policies though. So please don't compare the sites solely on moderation ideals. But that is a completely different issue. um your moderation policy is that if something draws activity to your site its acceptable ya you have some issues there. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
Can I change my vote to very under-moderated? | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
EDIT: In seriousness, sometimes I think under, and usually around then someone is modded and it's back to normal. | ||
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Nokeboy
United States1009 Posts
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
but does that make it bad? i didnt say that  so ya i voted for very over moderated- but just maybe its necessary. sometimes i think the over attention given to trolls and the uber warnings given out make people wanna get attention. but who knows. i come here every day so its certainly not a terrible thing. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On May 15 2009 09:49 IdrA wrote: um your moderation policy is that if something draws activity to your site its acceptable ya you have some issues there. lol he said "moderation ideals" | ||
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Archon_Wing
United States378 Posts
So there's really no excuse when people get perm banned. | ||
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