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On February 24 2009 17:26 Starparty wrote:
boxer put sc on the map for me and for many others, thus he gets my vote
BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE POLL IS ASKING FOR !?
All you Boxer fans are really beginning to annoy me. What is wrong with your brains ?
If you think he is the best, back it up with facts and statistics. Or just say '' I think he is the best ''.
But for fucking sake dont come up with 1000 arguments which have nothing to do with the polls question ? Being the best at something has nothing to do with so many things some of you boxer fans mentioned..
My god..
I could agree with Bisu or Oov being the best. In terms of domination it would be oov. That is obvious. In terms of pure skill you could say bisu. Savior or Flash are also a choice.
In terms of success and statistics and all this kind of stuff it has to be NaDa.
The only one who should get the least votes gets the most. Boxer. Just because fanboys love him.
Boxer is NOT the most successful. Boxer is NOT the most dominant. Boxer does NOT have the best statistics.
That are the most important things for defining the best player ever.
All the things other guys bring up have VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH '' BEST ''
THERE IS A REASON '' MOST INFLUENCING '' , '' MOST CHARISMATIC '' E C T .. -/- best
Then again this poll should be renamed into: Let's see how many fanboys of each player we have on teamliquid.net
My favourite player is Bisu. And even though i think he would be a more legitimate candidate than Boxer i had to choose NaDa. Because there is almost no way around him. And if.. then its not Boxer..
But okey.. its all up to your own opinion. But if u want to bring logical arguments, please stop posting stupid bs.. =(
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On February 24 2009 20:04 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2009 17:26 Starparty wrote:
boxer put sc on the map for me and for many others, thus he gets my vote BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE POLL IS ASKING FOR !? All you Boxer fans are really beginning to annoy me. What is wrong with your brains ? If you think he is the best, back it up with facts and statistics. Or just say '' I think he is the best ''. But for fucking sake dont come up with 1000 arguments which have nothing to do with the polls question ? Being the best at something has nothing to do with so many things some of you boxer fans mentioned.. My god.. I could agree with Bisu or Oov being the best. In terms of domination it would be oov. That is obvious. In terms of pure skill you could say bisu. Savior or Flash are also a choice. In terms of success and statistics and all this kind of stuff it has to be NaDa. The only one who should get the least votes gets the most. Boxer. Just because fanboys love him. Boxer is NOT the most successful. Boxer is NOT the most dominant. Boxer does NOT have the best statistics. That are the most important things for defining the best player ever. All the things other guys bring up have VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH '' BEST '' THERE IS A REASON '' MOST INFLUENCING '' , '' MOST CHARISMATIC '' E C T .. -/- best Then again this poll should be renamed into: Let's see how many fanboys of each player we have on teamliquid.net My favourite player is Bisu. And even though i think he would be a more legitimate candidate than Boxer i had to choose NaDa. Because there is almost no way around him. And if.. then its not Boxer.. But okey.. its all up to your own opinion. But if u want to bring logical arguments, please stop posting stupid bs.. =(
Settle down.
The word 'best' is ambiguous as hell.
In my book, Boxer is the best of all time. Much like how Jimi Hendrix is considered the best guitar player of all time. No, he doesn't have the best macro, or micro. No, he hasn't dominated the scene as long as some players and no, he doesn't have the best stats overall.
But what Boxer has achieved, nobody has. He achieved this status where no matter how bad he's doing, he is still the Emperor.
He isn't a macro power house, he doesn't have the best micro, but what Boxer does use his brain. Boxer, bar none is the most creative programmer of all time.
He reinvented the way we play and see Starcraft.
Anybody who knows anything about professional Starcraft knows Boxer.
Much like the late great Jimi Hendrix, who didn't have the fastest hands, the billboard charts or even the fans until he passed away.
It's the creativity that sets you apart, and Boxer has that in spades. No matter who you are, how biased you are, or even if you hate Boxer's guts. He is the heart and soul of Starcraft. He is very much a part of it as the pixels on the screen, the keyboard or the mouse.
Lim Yohwan is the best Starcraft programmer of all time. Thanks for reading my fanboyism.
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wow didnt realize jaedong has practiclly no fans
i mean this is a fan contests no doubt how can one compare 2 players from diffrent era's when as time progress the level gets higher mainly due to the fact that good strategies get copied
so the question who is the best player overall is either bisu jaedong /flash
no other players in the list in their prime would come close to this level
but bare in mind before killing me that the level of play would reach its current level without oov macro savior's mechanics boxer's revolutionary ideas etc etc
each player contributed to the game
so for that reason to the question best player ever which to my understanding is best player today
goes to jaedong
and why not bisu ??
too long to explain and i'm a jaedong fan
sorry for the english lol
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NaDa
July
Reach
Flash
Anytime
iloveoov
They're the most awesome ones atleast.
Flash, Bisu, and Jaedong have been the best for their respective races for quite a while now, and I cant see it changing anytime soon. They cant seem to rake up titles as fast as their predecessors though - which can be explained by a fiercer competition, and a busier schedule.
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On February 23 2009 11:12 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Seriously though, given every interpretation of the word 'best' and how relevant those things actually are - Nada wins by a large margin
Yep.
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As most people said, best will vary based wholly on how each person ranks best.
No one can touch Boxer's innovation nor the way he revolutionized SC at his time, so he will likely always be the favorite because of those major moments where everyone can't help but say "holy shit... that just happened."
Likewise, Bisu and Jaedong, to me, are the top players skill-wise when they're at their peaks. I honestly don't think anyone touches Jaedong's technical skills when he's focused and playing like he should, and i can say the same is more or less true for Bisu. They are monsters of their respective races.
And Nada... has all the achievements.
I voted Boxer because I feel what he contributed to SC far outweighs technical skill or a list of trophies. That said, my close runner up would be Jaedong, because he really is the scariest player on the scene (or was).
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Okey. But then u didnt answer the polls question..
You answered the poll '' Which gamer contributed most to this 10 year old beauty of a game ? ''
But its okey..
T_T
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On February 24 2009 23:52 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Okey. But then u did answer the polls question..
You answered the poll '' Best Player Ever ''
But its okey..
T_T
Fixed. I really don't see why your arbitrary definition of "best" is better than his. At least he's exhaustive in his explanation.
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Best shouldn't even be based on statistics, it should be based on how good they are at SC. And in that case, I say Flash or Jaedong.
Greatest? BoxeR, YellOw, rA, NaDa. EZ
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sorry boxer
but noone comes close to flash
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On February 24 2009 20:04 MaGic~PhiL wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2009 17:26 Starparty wrote:
boxer put sc on the map for me and for many others, thus he gets my vote BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE POLL IS ASKING FOR !? All you Boxer fans are really beginning to annoy me. What is wrong with your brains ? If you think he is the best, back it up with facts and statistics. Or just say '' I think he is the best ''. But for fucking sake dont come up with 1000 arguments which have nothing to do with the polls question ? Being the best at something has nothing to do with so many things some of you boxer fans mentioned.. My god.. I could agree with Bisu or Oov being the best. In terms of domination it would be oov. That is obvious. In terms of pure skill you could say bisu. Savior or Flash are also a choice. In terms of success and statistics and all this kind of stuff it has to be NaDa. The only one who should get the least votes gets the most. Boxer. Just because fanboys love him. Boxer is NOT the most successful. Boxer is NOT the most dominant. Boxer does NOT have the best statistics. That are the most important things for defining the best player ever. All the things other guys bring up have VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH '' BEST '' THERE IS A REASON '' MOST INFLUENCING '' , '' MOST CHARISMATIC '' E C T .. -/- best Then again this poll should be renamed into: Let's see how many fanboys of each player we have on teamliquid.net My favourite player is Bisu. And even though i think he would be a more legitimate candidate than Boxer i had to choose NaDa. Because there is almost no way around him. And if.. then its not Boxer.. But okey.. its all up to your own opinion. But if u want to bring logical arguments, please stop posting stupid bs.. =(
Hahaha nerdrage! If you think it's okay bringing Iloveoov and the others for their old performances it's definitely alright to pick Boxer. KeSPA rank #1 for 17 months, the longest time? Only player EVER to win two OSL in a row. Only player EVER to play 8 OSL in a row (I'm talking about advancing from group stage).
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They should jsut change the poll to:
If you had a time machine and had to get a player for a BO 5 and your life depended on it, who would you pick?
Would people seriously be picking a 2002 boxer or 2004 oov or 2004 nada?
They were GREAT players and indeed the GREATEST players.
But you can't say they were the BEST when people are clearly BETTER than them, even in they prime.
i.e. a 2009 Jaedong would wreck Boxer and Oov in they prime in they strongest matchup.
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On February 25 2009 01:31 fearus wrote:
i.e. a 2009 Jaedong would wreck Boxer and Oov in they prime in they strongest matchup.
That comparison is not really far, starcraft was not nearly as developed as it is now. You're saying that being good now is worth more than being good in 2002, which is bullshit. You can still call Boxer the best because he was the best in a certain period of time. And there's no telling if Jaedong (if he played in 2002) would be able to match up against Boxer and Oov back in the day.
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Bisu ALL KILL TONIGHT! Killing the top ELO Peak currently held by Flash 
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Seriously, oov at fucking last place?
this poll sucks.
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On February 25 2009 00:58 Zoler wrote:
Only player EVER to play 8 OSL in a row (I'm talking about advancing from group stage).
July qualified for 9 OSLs in a row. Gillette, Ever04, IOPS, Ever05, So1, Shinhanbank, Shinhan1, 2, and 3. Then he missed Daum. Then he qualified for the next 5. Ever07, Bacchus, Ever08, Incruit, Batoo.
Boxer went 0-3 in the groups in NATE OSL.
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That's a fucking tough question.
By numbers, it goes to Nada.
By legend, it goes to Boxer.
By dominance, it goes to iloveoov.
By skill, it goes to Jaedong.
By mechanics, it goes to Flash.
By tactics, it goes to Savior.
By strategy, it goes to Bisu.
It's a toss-up between Bisu and Savior, for me...and that unforgettable MSL finals back in 07 leans it towards Bisu.
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Boxer easily. Noone should even come close.
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Bisu/flash/jaedong would wipe the floor with everyone else on that list, on their primes or not, doesn't matter. People saying that savior is playing worse now than he did before getting owned by bisu are just blinded by their fanboyism. If you put the old savior to play right now he'd get owned so hard it would be really painful to watch.
I threw a coin few times and bisu won, so I voted him.
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