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On January 13 2009 07:23 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Can we move Jaedong up and kick Sea off already? It's looking horribly out of date. Jaedong has consistently been one of the top 5 players in the world for over a year and this Power Rank only shows bias for two weeks of his unlucky play.
I didn't believe anyone on the list were favourites over him 1 month ago and I don't believe it now
Then you are a true fanboy! Just like me when bisu was slumping I couldnt except the fact that others were performing better than him because his mechanics his game sense, timings, everything was OK but he kept on dropping games anyway... And I might be wrong but JD is a huge underdog in his MSL group. IMO it will be a really big deal and a strong statement if he somehow manages to advance
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On January 13 2009 07:29 Jaeden wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 06:10 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 03:13 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 13 2009 01:32 Ideas wrote:
Leta and July for PR this month IMO july? he won vs firebathero.. thats about it.. rest is "no names" and the list isn't that long. Yeah, no names like tempest, backho, GGplay, much, and anytime. Who the hell are those guys anyway? Probably they were bumped up from the B team just to play because someone from the line up was sick or smth. well they`re not that good, which one of them has a strong vZ ?  Anytime? he used to...
Tempest knocked Jaedong out of the GSL, GGplay has played 4 ZvZs in PL this season and only lost the one to July. In addition to his victory over FBH, which is huge--FBH has beaten Jaedong twice this PL season already, I would say that July is pretty damn strong right now.
I mean really, out of the people he has played not all of them are strong vs Zerg, but he would have picked up losses anyway if he wasn't really strong. This streak ties for his longest yet, I don't doubt he will break it with more wins soon.
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On January 13 2009 08:56 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 07:29 Jaeden wrote:On January 13 2009 06:10 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 03:13 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 13 2009 01:32 Ideas wrote:
Leta and July for PR this month IMO july? he won vs firebathero.. thats about it.. rest is "no names" and the list isn't that long. Yeah, no names like tempest, backho, GGplay, much, and anytime. Who the hell are those guys anyway? Probably they were bumped up from the B team just to play because someone from the line up was sick or smth. well they`re not that good, which one of them has a strong vZ ? Anytime? he used to... Tempest knocked Jaedong out of the GSL, GGplay has played 4 ZvZs in PL this season and only lost the one to July. In addition to his victory over FBH, which is huge--FBH has beaten Jaedong twice this PL season already, I would say that July is pretty damn strong right now. I mean really, out of the people he has played not all of them are strong vs Zerg, but he would have picked up losses anyway if he wasn't really strong. This streak ties for his longest yet, I don't doubt he will break it with more wins soon.
I said "no names", meaning probably not big enough names to enter the PR ranking with so few games played. Please don't try to misunderstand.
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On January 13 2009 08:21 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 07:23 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Can we move Jaedong up and kick Sea off already? It's looking horribly out of date. Jaedong has consistently been one of the top 5 players in the world for over a year and this Power Rank only shows bias for two weeks of his unlucky play.
I didn't believe anyone on the list were favourites over him 1 month ago and I don't believe it now Then you are a true fanboy! Just like me when bisu was slumping I couldnt except the fact that others were performing better than him because his mechanics his game sense, timings, everything was OK but he kept on dropping games anyway... And I might be wrong but JD is a huge underdog in his MSL group. IMO it will be a really big deal and a strong statement if he somehow manages to advance
Wait what? Jaedong might not be at his peak and may have had a rough month in November, but in his December games he's certainly been exhibiting his dominant control and has been taking a good percentage of his games. He's beaten half of the people in his MSL group in the past month and hasn't played FBH since November. Meanwhile, Bisu's slump, which you are comparing Jaedong's too, involved a one-sided defeat to BackHo. they're not the same thing
EDIT: Also, I'm wondering exactly the justification for putting Sea on the PR. While I don't deny the skill he showed in those two games, it would seem to me that quite a few gamers had the same claim for fame; exhibiting a few stellar games among a sea (no pun intended) of decent A-class ones, and yet there's no chance we're going to see Skyhigh, Hero, Horang2, Movie, Tazza, or BackHo on the power rank is there? (I don't advocate putting any of them up, I'm just wondering why Sea got the spot last month while other gamers seem to have similar credentials).
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On January 13 2009 10:01 SerpentFlame wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 08:21 disciple wrote:On January 13 2009 07:23 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Can we move Jaedong up and kick Sea off already? It's looking horribly out of date. Jaedong has consistently been one of the top 5 players in the world for over a year and this Power Rank only shows bias for two weeks of his unlucky play.
I didn't believe anyone on the list were favourites over him 1 month ago and I don't believe it now Then you are a true fanboy! Just like me when bisu was slumping I couldnt except the fact that others were performing better than him because his mechanics his game sense, timings, everything was OK but he kept on dropping games anyway... And I might be wrong but JD is a huge underdog in his MSL group. IMO it will be a really big deal and a strong statement if he somehow manages to advance Wait what? Jaedong might not be at his peak and may have had a rough month in November, but in his December games he's certainly been exhibiting his dominant control and has been taking a good percentage of his games. He's beaten half of the people in his MSL group in the past month and hasn't played FBH since November. Meanwhile, Bisu's slump involved a one-sided defeat to BackHo. EDIT: Also, I'm wondering exactly the justification for putting Sea on the PR. While I don't deny the skill he showed in those two games, it would seem to me that quite a few gamers had the same claim for fame; exhibiting a few stellar games among a sea (no pun intended) of decent A-class ones, and yet there's no chance we're going to see Skyhigh, Hero, Horang2, Movie, Tazza, or BackHo on the power rank is there? (I don't advocate putting any of them up, I'm just wondering why Sea got the spot last month while other gamers seem to have similar credentials).
You are commentating on something which is one month old.
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On January 13 2009 08:56 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 07:29 Jaeden wrote:On January 13 2009 06:10 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 03:13 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 13 2009 01:32 Ideas wrote:
Leta and July for PR this month IMO july? he won vs firebathero.. thats about it.. rest is "no names" and the list isn't that long. Yeah, no names like tempest, backho, GGplay, much, and anytime. Who the hell are those guys anyway? Probably they were bumped up from the B team just to play because someone from the line up was sick or smth. well they`re not that good, which one of them has a strong vZ ? Anytime? he used to... Tempest knocked Jaedong out of the GSL, GGplay has played 4 ZvZs in PL this season and only lost the one to July. In addition to his victory over FBH, which is huge--FBH has beaten Jaedong twice this PL season already, I would say that July is pretty damn strong right now. I mean really, out of the people he has played not all of them are strong vs Zerg, but he would have picked up losses anyway if he wasn't really strong. This streak ties for his longest yet, I don't doubt he will break it with more wins soon.
oh c`mon..be realistic. GGPlay's 3 wins in ZvZ in the last month: he beat TheZerg WOW, s2 woooow, and a mini-slumping FakeYellow who won 2 games in the last month out of like 6/7. It`s not a big deal winning over GGPlay in ZvZ..oh and it`s ZvZ;)
oh and Tempest...well, TempesT is 1-3 vZ in the last month with loses over Hyuk and Juni. The games vs JD were just a little spark, nothin` more
all in all, July is pretty strong atm, but nothin` spectacular (only his game vs FBH)
edit: oh and, things like this have been said before, and they just don`t work: omg, Shark beat RorO who won over JD, awesome...not
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On January 13 2009 10:01 SerpentFlame wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 08:21 disciple wrote:On January 13 2009 07:23 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Can we move Jaedong up and kick Sea off already? It's looking horribly out of date. Jaedong has consistently been one of the top 5 players in the world for over a year and this Power Rank only shows bias for two weeks of his unlucky play.
I didn't believe anyone on the list were favourites over him 1 month ago and I don't believe it now Then you are a true fanboy! Just like me when bisu was slumping I couldnt except the fact that others were performing better than him because his mechanics his game sense, timings, everything was OK but he kept on dropping games anyway... And I might be wrong but JD is a huge underdog in his MSL group. IMO it will be a really big deal and a strong statement if he somehow manages to advance Wait what? Jaedong might not be at his peak and may have had a rough month in November, but in his December games he's certainly been exhibiting his dominant control and has been taking a good percentage of his games. He's beaten half of the people in his MSL group in the past month and hasn't played FBH since November. Meanwhile, Bisu's slump involved a one-sided defeat to BackHo.
you mean stork
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On January 13 2009 08:21 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 07:23 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Can we move Jaedong up and kick Sea off already? It's looking horribly out of date. Jaedong has consistently been one of the top 5 players in the world for over a year and this Power Rank only shows bias for two weeks of his unlucky play.
I didn't believe anyone on the list were favourites over him 1 month ago and I don't believe it now Then you are a true fanboy! Just like me when bisu was slumping I couldnt except the fact that others were performing better than him because his mechanics his game sense, timings, everything was OK but he kept on dropping games anyway... And I might be wrong but JD is a huge underdog in his MSL group. IMO it will be a really big deal and a strong statement if he somehow manages to advance
Lets be realistic here, Jaedong might have been minislumping a month ago but his #8 spot on his PR meant that the 7 others above him performed better that month, than to conclude that Jaedong is the 8th best player in the world last month. Well, his current MSL group, it contains Flash, Firebathero, and Hwasin. It contains all T players, which JD seems to have trouble with, whether its because of map, or the imbalancies of the game, or the skill. And also, there is Flash in there so yeah :D
Jaedong is clearly still in the top 3 best players of the world no matter how bad he performs in a month. This is something that I don't like about PR, the way the ranking spots movement is way too fickle, if the best player in the world for a year plays bad in April, he's still the best fucking player in May unless we can clearly see that he loses to players he normally rapes, and his players are clearly sloppy, etc. The best players should definately have the benefit of the doubt. The reason why #1 players drop down to #5 or below nowadays is that people here complain too much about how much a player loses in a month, and believe that the #1 person isn't number 1 material anymore because he lost x games in y month. I think that PR should strictly be about who are the top 10 players in the progaming scene in that month, instead of which top 10 players performed the best in that month. Its really becoming the latter, and that makes PR worthless imo.
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On January 13 2009 09:59 AnOth3rDAy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 08:56 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 07:29 Jaeden wrote:On January 13 2009 06:10 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 03:13 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 13 2009 01:32 Ideas wrote:
Leta and July for PR this month IMO july? he won vs firebathero.. thats about it.. rest is "no names" and the list isn't that long. Yeah, no names like tempest, backho, GGplay, much, and anytime. Who the hell are those guys anyway? Probably they were bumped up from the B team just to play because someone from the line up was sick or smth. well they`re not that good, which one of them has a strong vZ ? Anytime? he used to... Tempest knocked Jaedong out of the GSL, GGplay has played 4 ZvZs in PL this season and only lost the one to July. In addition to his victory over FBH, which is huge--FBH has beaten Jaedong twice this PL season already, I would say that July is pretty damn strong right now. I mean really, out of the people he has played not all of them are strong vs Zerg, but he would have picked up losses anyway if he wasn't really strong. This streak ties for his longest yet, I don't doubt he will break it with more wins soon. I said "no names ", meaning probably not big enough names to enter the PR ranking with so few games played. Please don't try to misunderstand.
Ok but Btw did you forget about my original post?
I never posted JULY #2 PR FOSHO!!!
I only posted Strongest Terrans and Strongest Zergs at the moment. My only intention was to state my opinion on the strongest non protoss players, since they get much less attention than the protoss's -------->6 Dragons<--------
@Jaeden: Cmon, be realistic here. Besides Jaedong, who is a stronger zerg than July? You can definitely make a case for Effort but really no one else is coming close to these three. The twins aren't living up the expectations. Calm sucks, ect ect.
You are also forgetting that I didn't post zomg July #1 PR!!! I only posted strongest zergs and terrans as of this moment. I didn't even compare the strengths of those terran and zerg.
Zerg as a race is getting raped right now. There are very few zerg players who are actually being success against ANYONE. If there is a zerg player besides Jaedong and Effort who has had a performance to match or exceed July's in the last month then please enlighten me. I didn't check every single zerg only the ones I knew already were good.
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On January 13 2009 08:21 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 07:23 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Can we move Jaedong up and kick Sea off already? It's looking horribly out of date. Jaedong has consistently been one of the top 5 players in the world for over a year and this Power Rank only shows bias for two weeks of his unlucky play.
I didn't believe anyone on the list were favourites over him 1 month ago and I don't believe it now Then you are a true fanboy! Just like me when bisu was slumping I couldnt except the fact that others were performing better than him because his mechanics his game sense, timings, everything was OK but he kept on dropping games anyway... And I might be wrong but JD is a huge underdog in his MSL group. IMO it will be a really big deal and a strong statement if he somehow manages to advance
He is not the underdog , as of late he showed that he can kill both Hwasin and Flash . If i would point an underdog it has to be Hwasin because of his TvT . Both Flash and FBH are the favourites over him , and he would have a hard time beating Jaedong once or even twise . Because its a group of death i can't tell who will advance , but i would bet on Jaedong / Flash because of their consistence .
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how he is he not an underdog, he is in group with the current 3 best TvZers. not to mention that all 3 of them already showed that they can deal with him. No, really think about it for a sec... Can it get worse for JD, can you imagine a group that will be even more difficult for him? cause I cant
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On January 13 2009 17:19 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 09:59 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 13 2009 08:56 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 07:29 Jaeden wrote:On January 13 2009 06:10 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 03:13 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 13 2009 01:32 Ideas wrote:
Leta and July for PR this month IMO july? he won vs firebathero.. thats about it.. rest is "no names" and the list isn't that long. Yeah, no names like tempest, backho, GGplay, much, and anytime. Who the hell are those guys anyway? Probably they were bumped up from the B team just to play because someone from the line up was sick or smth. well they`re not that good, which one of them has a strong vZ ? Anytime? he used to... Tempest knocked Jaedong out of the GSL, GGplay has played 4 ZvZs in PL this season and only lost the one to July. In addition to his victory over FBH, which is huge--FBH has beaten Jaedong twice this PL season already, I would say that July is pretty damn strong right now. I mean really, out of the people he has played not all of them are strong vs Zerg, but he would have picked up losses anyway if he wasn't really strong. This streak ties for his longest yet, I don't doubt he will break it with more wins soon. I said "no names ", meaning probably not big enough names to enter the PR ranking with so few games played. Please don't try to misunderstand. Ok but Btw did you forget about my original post? I never posted JULY #2 PR FOSHO!!! I only posted Strongest Terrans and Strongest Zergs at the moment. My only intention was to state my opinion on the strongest non protoss players, since they get much less attention than the protoss's -------->6 Dragons<--------@Jaeden: Cmon, be realistic here. Besides Jaedong, who is a stronger zerg than July? You can definitely make a case for Effort but really no one else is coming close to these three. The twins aren't living up the expectations. Calm sucks, ect ect. You are also forgetting that I didn't post zomg July #1 PR!!! I only posted strongest zergs and terrans as of this moment. I didn't even compare the strengths of those terran and zerg. Zerg as a race is getting raped right now. There are very few zerg players who are actually being success against ANYONE. If there is a zerg player besides Jaedong and Effort who has had a performance to match or exceed July's in the last month then please enlighten me. I didn't check every single zerg only the ones I knew already were good.
I don't think that zergs are geting raped even by.hero won vs Bisu , so he showed that they are still doing ok .
Jaedong is dominating most of the time .
Yarnc has also been dishing out some mini - rapes here and there this past months despite his losses to FBH and Bisu in which he didn't play half bad he beat Kal , Sea and some other decent players who are notable and a line of no - names in all 3 MUs .
Effort is doing ok , but only in proleague .
July has been owning scrubs in PL too ( Yes FBH i'm talking about you )
Luxury ? Well he had some tough losses in PL , but if he qualifies for OSL he will be back on track .
Calm , Zero ? Well i wouldn't call them top zergs just yet . They still have a way to go .
GGplay ? He has been doing decently bad .
The top zergs are doing fine , the lesser zergs are losing because of bad luck which is 50 % of being matched vs a stronger opponent on the wrong map .
Maybe July would be a good contender for CNBC this month, but i would save his top 5 spot thought when he starts all - killing left right and center in OSL and next round in WL  . July is a top zerg right now even if people doubt his ZvT skills. VS FBH he showed that he can still rumble .
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On January 13 2009 17:57 disciple wrote:
how he is he not an underdog, he is in group with the current 3 best TvZers. not to mention that all 3 of them already showed that they can deal with him. No, really think about it for a sec... Can it get worse for JD, can you imagine a group that will be even more difficult for him? cause I cant
Doesn't matter if it can't get any more difficult and they are arguably the 3 best TvZers , because Jaedong is the best ZvTer himself and that swings the other way around . Jaedong choosed to be in the group with FBH , and just because Bisu moved Flash to save his ass , and Hwasin was moved to play Jaedong just lowered eveyrone's chances of advancing it doesn't meen that Jaedong is the underdog . He beat Hwasin and Flash most recently and wants to get revenge on FBH this way . And Jaedong is not mini - slumping no more .
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On January 13 2009 16:49 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 08:21 disciple wrote:On January 13 2009 07:23 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Can we move Jaedong up and kick Sea off already? It's looking horribly out of date. Jaedong has consistently been one of the top 5 players in the world for over a year and this Power Rank only shows bias for two weeks of his unlucky play.
I didn't believe anyone on the list were favourites over him 1 month ago and I don't believe it now Then you are a true fanboy! Just like me when bisu was slumping I couldnt except the fact that others were performing better than him because his mechanics his game sense, timings, everything was OK but he kept on dropping games anyway... And I might be wrong but JD is a huge underdog in his MSL group. IMO it will be a really big deal and a strong statement if he somehow manages to advance Lets be realistic here, Jaedong might have been minislumping a month ago but his #8 spot on his PR meant that the 7 others above him performed better that month, than to conclude that Jaedong is the 8th best player in the world last month. Well, his current MSL group, it contains Flash, Firebathero, and Hwasin. It contains all T players, which JD seems to have trouble with, whether its because of map, or the imbalancies of the game, or the skill. And also, there is Flash in there so yeah :D Jaedong is clearly still in the top 3 best players of the world no matter how bad he performs in a month. This is something that I don't like about PR, the way the ranking spots movement is way too fickle, if the best player in the world for a year plays bad in April, he's still the best fucking player in May unless we can clearly see that he loses to players he normally rapes, and his players are clearly sloppy, etc. The best players should definately have the benefit of the doubt. The reason why #1 players drop down to #5 or below nowadays is that people here complain too much about how much a player loses in a month, and believe that the #1 person isn't number 1 material anymore because he lost x games in y month. I think that PR should strictly be about who are the top 10 players in the progaming scene in that month, instead of which top 10 players performed the best in that month. Its really becoming the latter, and that makes PR worthless imo.
Just curious how you determine this. What level of Starcraft knowledge, hours of watching VODs, and understanding the circumstances behind each game does it take to make such a good judgment?
Btw, just to let you know, there is a long term performance indicator, which is the KESPA. There is a moving win-loss pure performance indicator, which is the ELO rating. Then there is the opinion of a single Sea[Shield] fan who ranks them based on how he sees their plays, which is the TL Power Ranking.
It seems to me you should just refer to the Kespa ranking, because that's probably what you're looking for.
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On January 13 2009 17:57 disciple wrote:
Can it get worse for JD, can you imagine a group that will be even more difficult for him? cause I cant
Group with han, free and tempest ).
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On January 13 2009 18:49 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 17:57 disciple wrote:
how he is he not an underdog, he is in group with the current 3 best TvZers. not to mention that all 3 of them already showed that they can deal with him. No, really think about it for a sec... Can it get worse for JD, can you imagine a group that will be even more difficult for him? cause I cant Doesn't matter if it can't get any more difficult and they are arguably the 3 best TvZers , because Jaedong is the best ZvTer himself and that swings the other way around . Jaedong choosed to be in the group with FBH , and just because Bisu moved Flash to save his ass , and Hwasin was moved to play Jaedong just lowered eveyrone's chances of advancing it doesn't meen that Jaedong is the underdog . He beat Hwasin and Flash most recently and wants to get revenge on FBH this way . And Jaedong is not mini - slumping no more .
he is maybe the best TvZ but his recent results in the MU are not impressive to say at least. Yes, he is out of his mini slump but he still lost a zvt vs upmagic and canata (?) and bisu saving his ass moving flash... c'mon dont start this once again
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On January 13 2009 17:19 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 09:59 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 13 2009 08:56 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 07:29 Jaeden wrote:On January 13 2009 06:10 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 03:13 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 13 2009 01:32 Ideas wrote:
Leta and July for PR this month IMO july? he won vs firebathero.. thats about it.. rest is "no names" and the list isn't that long. Yeah, no names like tempest, backho, GGplay, much, and anytime. Who the hell are those guys anyway? Probably they were bumped up from the B team just to play because someone from the line up was sick or smth. well they`re not that good, which one of them has a strong vZ ? Anytime? he used to... Tempest knocked Jaedong out of the GSL, GGplay has played 4 ZvZs in PL this season and only lost the one to July. In addition to his victory over FBH, which is huge--FBH has beaten Jaedong twice this PL season already, I would say that July is pretty damn strong right now. I mean really, out of the people he has played not all of them are strong vs Zerg, but he would have picked up losses anyway if he wasn't really strong. This streak ties for his longest yet, I don't doubt he will break it with more wins soon. I said "no names ", meaning probably not big enough names to enter the PR ranking with so few games played. Please don't try to misunderstand. Ok but Btw did you forget about my original post? I never posted JULY #2 PR FOSHO!!! I only posted Strongest Terrans and Strongest Zergs at the moment. My only intention was to state my opinion on the strongest non protoss players, since they get much less attention than the protoss's -------->6 Dragons<--------@Jaeden: Cmon, be realistic here. Besides Jaedong, who is a stronger zerg than July? You can definitely make a case for Effort but really no one else is coming close to these three. The twins aren't living up the expectations. Calm sucks, ect ect. You are also forgetting that I didn't post zomg July #1 PR!!! I only posted strongest zergs and terrans as of this moment. I didn't even compare the strengths of those terran and zerg. Zerg as a race is getting raped right now. There are very few zerg players who are actually being success against ANYONE. If there is a zerg player besides Jaedong and Effort who has had a performance to match or exceed July's in the last month then please enlighten me. I didn't check every single zerg only the ones I knew already were good.
yes, the zergs are pretty much gettin` raped, but, "If there is a zerg player besides Jaedong and Effort who has had a performance to match or exceed July's in the last month then please enlighten me" so you're sayin` that Effort is better than july. Well then, Effort isn`t on the PR, how can july be ?!
I agree that it`s hard beein` a zerg these days, but even if u are the second-best zerg in the world, that doesn`t guarantee u a spot in the PR
edit: oh and: + Show Spoiler +what happened with Baezzi ?! sorry for the off`topic but I don`t want to make a thread about it :s
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On January 13 2009 17:19 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 09:59 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 13 2009 08:56 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 07:29 Jaeden wrote:On January 13 2009 06:10 Fontong wrote:On January 13 2009 03:13 AnOth3rDAy wrote:On January 13 2009 01:32 Ideas wrote:
Leta and July for PR this month IMO july? he won vs firebathero.. thats about it.. rest is "no names" and the list isn't that long. Yeah, no names like tempest, backho, GGplay, much, and anytime. Who the hell are those guys anyway? Probably they were bumped up from the B team just to play because someone from the line up was sick or smth. well they`re not that good, which one of them has a strong vZ ? Anytime? he used to... Tempest knocked Jaedong out of the GSL, GGplay has played 4 ZvZs in PL this season and only lost the one to July. In addition to his victory over FBH, which is huge--FBH has beaten Jaedong twice this PL season already, I would say that July is pretty damn strong right now. I mean really, out of the people he has played not all of them are strong vs Zerg, but he would have picked up losses anyway if he wasn't really strong. This streak ties for his longest yet, I don't doubt he will break it with more wins soon. I said "no names ", meaning probably not big enough names to enter the PR ranking with so few games played. Please don't try to misunderstand. Ok but Btw did you forget about my original post? I never posted JULY #2 PR FOSHO!!! I only posted Strongest Terrans and Strongest Zergs at the moment. My only intention was to state my opinion on the strongest non protoss players, since they get much less attention than the protoss's -------->6 Dragons<--------@Jaeden: Cmon, be realistic here. Besides Jaedong, who is a stronger zerg than July? You can definitely make a case for Effort but really no one else is coming close to these three. The twins aren't living up the expectations. Calm sucks, ect ect. You are also forgetting that I didn't post zomg July #1 PR!!! I only posted strongest zergs and terrans as of this moment. I didn't even compare the strengths of those terran and zerg. Zerg as a race is getting raped right now. There are very few zerg players who are actually being success against ANYONE. If there is a zerg player besides Jaedong and Effort who has had a performance to match or exceed July's in the last month then please enlighten me. I didn't check every single zerg only the ones I knew already were good.
No I didn't forget about your first post.
July is imo a good zerg, however not the best.
How is july outperforming any of the other 10 players on the powerranking?
If the PR weren't filled already with people better than july then he should get a spot.
His 7 win streak just isnt enough. Leta had amazing record for this PR and still wasn't selected, although his was much better than july's and he should have been on the top 10..
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I think the next PR should be s.th. like this:
1. Bisu
2. Flash
3. Jaedong
4. Jangbi/Best
5. Jangbi/Best
6-10. free/stork/Leta/UpMagic/Kal
cbnc: fbh, july...
top 3: Bisu just playing absolutely awesome, JD coming out of his slump, might even get higher, if he manages to survive his MSL-group
4/5: Jangbi scores better lately, but Best plays imo more convincing
rest: stork has to drop due his poor performances in PvP; Leta gets incredible stats and made it into both leagues, but has to be tested vs. "really good" players; I agree with FS that there's nothing ingenious in his play (also imo his games are kind of boring);
Upmagic on the other hand is a genius with incredible potential and is always entertaining to watch, but his mechanics are still pretty weak, I would consider him as Leta's opposite according to style. I'm impressed by July who's improved a lot lately. Atm he's playing better than during his last OSL win.
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On January 13 2009 16:49 AzureEye wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2009 08:21 disciple wrote:On January 13 2009 07:23 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
Can we move Jaedong up and kick Sea off already? It's looking horribly out of date. Jaedong has consistently been one of the top 5 players in the world for over a year and this Power Rank only shows bias for two weeks of his unlucky play.
I didn't believe anyone on the list were favourites over him 1 month ago and I don't believe it now Then you are a true fanboy! Just like me when bisu was slumping I couldnt except the fact that others were performing better than him because his mechanics his game sense, timings, everything was OK but he kept on dropping games anyway... And I might be wrong but JD is a huge underdog in his MSL group. IMO it will be a really big deal and a strong statement if he somehow manages to advance Lets be realistic here, Jaedong might have been minislumping a month ago but his #8 spot on his PR meant that the 7 others above him performed better that month, than to conclude that Jaedong is the 8th best player in the world last month. Well, his current MSL group, it contains Flash, Firebathero, and Hwasin. It contains all T players, which JD seems to have trouble with, whether its because of map, or the imbalancies of the game, or the skill. And also, there is Flash in there so yeah :D Jaedong is clearly still in the top 3 best players of the world no matter how bad he performs in a month. This is something that I don't like about PR, the way the ranking spots movement is way too fickle, if the best player in the world for a year plays bad in April, he's still the best fucking player in May unless we can clearly see that he loses to players he normally rapes, and his players are clearly sloppy, etc. The best players should definately have the benefit of the doubt. The reason why #1 players drop down to #5 or below nowadays is that people here complain too much about how much a player loses in a month, and believe that the #1 person isn't number 1 material anymore because he lost x games in y month. I think that PR should strictly be about who are the top 10 players in the progaming scene in that month, instead of which top 10 players performed the best in that month. Its really becoming the latter, and that makes PR worthless imo.
Having yet another ranking thats a rather straight analysis of game stats for players sounds both pointless and boring. What I get from what you are saying is that players like jaedong, flash, or bisu (the top 3 players in the world for the past couple of years) should automatically be ranked in the top 3 no matter what happens simply because they are so good? What about just this last season when flash was knocked out early of all the starleagues (excetpt gom, which has only recently gotten to the quarterfinals), should have he been ranked top 3 that entire time even though he wasn't the one winning leagues, or even getting close? Some may think that yes, he should, but I am definitely not one of them.
What if you basically figured out the top 10 players for the whole year, and month after month of power rankings it was same 10 people every time. What the hell new would you say? It would be so boring.
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