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On February 08 2008 11:32 koryano321 wrote:
bisu p v t has yet to be played as of late besides on katrina, and mostly against 2nd tier or slumping players so we dont know how that will stand up to ppl of caliber. last time he faced a decent terran, he got trashed 3:1.
UpMagic is a decent Terran.
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On February 07 2008 19:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2008 19:40 Seku wrote:
I do sense some bias (it's OK that stork lost to two 5-pools but not okay if bisu loses to 5pool/all-in hydra?) I mean, yes it's considered Bisu's best matchup but I don't think a few losses should drop him that much yet similar (although not as many) occurences don't drop stork at all. aren't you paying attention? I HATE Stork and I adore Bisu
The PR appears to reflect the opposite.
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On February 08 2008 13:24 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 12:03 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 08 2008 07:54 teamsolid wrote:On February 08 2008 05:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote:
would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR. Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms. Might I remind you that the liquibet favored Bisu at least 4:1. I would put money on Bisu in a Bo3 against any Zerg not named Jaedong. Might I remind you that 99% of teamliquid suffers from Protoss man-love? Stork's PvZ isn't utter shit either, so you can get off that bandwagon too. What are you talking about? A ton of Z's hate Bisu (unsurprisingly), enough to auto-vote against him every match. Plus, virtually all of TL.net (including me) loves the Maestro and Jaedong who are Z's. Okay, I exaggerated about Stork, but his PvZ is still pretty subpar when compared to other top P's like Much, Free or even Kal. Poor enough to actually handicap and prevent him from qualifying MSL two seasons in a row. Also, if he comes up against ANY Zerg in the Ro16 or above in either league, he's in trouble. It's not a bandwagon, when it's actually true.
i think its hillarious when u keep saying stork's pvz sucks and that is why he was denied entry into the MSL. when bisu gets owned with early builds or WELL PLANNED OUT 5 POOL INTO A GREATER OVERALL STRATEGY, it aint his fault he was knocked out, it is the cheese. stork gets raped by all in 5pools and hydra all in, hell it is storks shitty p v z. and coming up against savior is much different than coming up against ne zerg. when stork played savior in ro16 in msl last season, savior was still playing well relatively to now...
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On February 08 2008 21:33 Sawajiri wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 11:32 koryano321 wrote:
bisu p v t has yet to be played as of late besides on katrina, and mostly against 2nd tier or slumping players so we dont know how that will stand up to ppl of caliber. last time he faced a decent terran, he got trashed 3:1. UpMagic is a decent Terran.
bisu lost to upmagic on katrina i believe.. let me go check
edit: nvm, i was wrong but still, upmagic fought very well^__^
the way bisu is playing right now, i still dont believe he should be above these players. i doubt he will win the osl.. but we shall see. we shall see if he proves me wrong~
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On February 08 2008 22:41 Seku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2008 19:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 07 2008 19:40 Seku wrote:
I do sense some bias (it's OK that stork lost to two 5-pools but not okay if bisu loses to 5pool/all-in hydra?) I mean, yes it's considered Bisu's best matchup but I don't think a few losses should drop him that much yet similar (although not as many) occurences don't drop stork at all. aren't you paying attention? I HATE Stork and I adore Bisu The PR appears to reflect the opposite.
So you're saying the PR should be biased. Brilliant.
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On February 08 2008 22:54 koryano321 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 13:24 teamsolid wrote:On February 08 2008 12:03 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 08 2008 07:54 teamsolid wrote:On February 08 2008 05:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote:
would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR. Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms. Might I remind you that the liquibet favored Bisu at least 4:1. I would put money on Bisu in a Bo3 against any Zerg not named Jaedong. Might I remind you that 99% of teamliquid suffers from Protoss man-love? Stork's PvZ isn't utter shit either, so you can get off that bandwagon too. What are you talking about? A ton of Z's hate Bisu (unsurprisingly), enough to auto-vote against him every match. Plus, virtually all of TL.net (including me) loves the Maestro and Jaedong who are Z's. Okay, I exaggerated about Stork, but his PvZ is still pretty subpar when compared to other top P's like Much, Free or even Kal. Poor enough to actually handicap and prevent him from qualifying MSL two seasons in a row. Also, if he comes up against ANY Zerg in the Ro16 or above in either league, he's in trouble. It's not a bandwagon, when it's actually true. i think its hillarious when u keep saying stork's pvz sucks and that is why he was denied entry into the MSL. when bisu gets owned with early builds or WELL PLANNED OUT 5 POOL INTO A GREATER OVERALL STRATEGY, it aint his fault he was knocked out, it is the cheese. stork gets raped by all in 5pools and hydra all in, hell it is storks shitty p v z. and coming up against savior is much different than coming up against ne zerg. when stork played savior in ro16 in msl last season, savior was still playing well relatively to now...
Watch Stork's games before you comment on them, or stop spouting BS. You have no idea what you're talking about. Also, I never said Bisu lost to cheese, so I don't know why you are referring to me.
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On February 07 2008 09:11 cz wrote:Wow, it's been a LOOOOONG time since  sAviOr hasn't placed, but I agree with your reasoning: he has been terrible. It's funny how fast things change: 3-4 months ago and it was  Bisu undisputed #1 with no reason to suspect he would be out of the top spot, replaced by a Zerg no less, and with sAviOr holding pretty close. Now he's falling quickly and sAviOr is out. Things change too quickly, sometimes. ty for the powerank btw, always a good read
seconded
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On February 07 2008 08:56 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2008 08:47 f10esqftw wrote:
I hated Jangbi before it was cool.
Nice PR, FS.
Man, poor Flash.... up against Jaedong TWICE.. Harsh. no its okay flash is going to rape jaedong TWICE
this would be orgasmic 
but I would like to see Bisu beating the shit out of Jaedong (I still belive in Bisu)
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 08 2008 22:41 Seku wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2008 19:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 07 2008 19:40 Seku wrote:
I do sense some bias (it's OK that stork lost to two 5-pools but not okay if bisu loses to 5pool/all-in hydra?) I mean, yes it's considered Bisu's best matchup but I don't think a few losses should drop him that much yet similar (although not as many) occurences don't drop stork at all. aren't you paying attention? I HATE Stork and I adore Bisu The PR appears to reflect the opposite.
No, the PR reflects their performance
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 08 2008 20:09 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 09:48 ThePhan2m wrote:On February 08 2008 07:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 08 2008 07:13 Nick_54 wrote:On February 08 2008 05:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote:
would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR. Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms. That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong. in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start. Luxury mentioned in his interview that his 5 pool opening wasn't designed to finish Bisu off early on. He must have had a another build he changed his mind about early on in the game, but it's quite clear that the 5 pool opening had been thoroughly practiced. Bisu was screwed the moment Luxury contained him. Luxury said he won games in practice with this opening even if it did NO damage whatsoever so as long as he contained the protoss in his base by destroying the assimilator. Just fyi, it is VERY common for pro zergs to start the 7th drone, then cancel them both to make a 5 pool..
this started with chojja i believe who did it to surprise the commentators/viewers. I mean, you get 100% cash back , and you dont need the larvae that early on either... its just something to kill time
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On February 09 2008 23:14 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2008 20:09 Letmelose wrote:On February 08 2008 09:48 ThePhan2m wrote:On February 08 2008 07:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 08 2008 07:13 Nick_54 wrote:On February 08 2008 05:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote:
would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR. Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms. That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong. in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start. Luxury mentioned in his interview that his 5 pool opening wasn't designed to finish Bisu off early on. He must have had a another build he changed his mind about early on in the game, but it's quite clear that the 5 pool opening had been thoroughly practiced. Bisu was screwed the moment Luxury contained him. Luxury said he won games in practice with this opening even if it did NO damage whatsoever so as long as he contained the protoss in his base by destroying the assimilator. Just fyi, it is VERY common for pro zergs to start the 7th drone, then cancel them both to make a 5 pool.. this started with chojja i believe who did it to surprise the commentators/viewers. I mean, you get 100% cash back , and you dont need the larvae that early on either... its just something to kill time
If Luxury is at any other position on the map Bisu scouts the 5 pool in time and secures his nat with cannons. He knew his chances were low against Bisu, so he tried to get a cheap win.
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Bisu has been traded to SKT1 for 200,000$ in cash!! and Kingdom, iloveoov retires..
shocking @_@
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hopefully Bisu will train crazy with Midas and get his PvT better
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On February 10 2008 12:38 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2008 23:14 Plexa wrote:On February 08 2008 20:09 Letmelose wrote:On February 08 2008 09:48 ThePhan2m wrote:On February 08 2008 07:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 08 2008 07:13 Nick_54 wrote:On February 08 2008 05:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote:
would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR. Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms. That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong. in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start. Luxury mentioned in his interview that his 5 pool opening wasn't designed to finish Bisu off early on. He must have had a another build he changed his mind about early on in the game, but it's quite clear that the 5 pool opening had been thoroughly practiced. Bisu was screwed the moment Luxury contained him. Luxury said he won games in practice with this opening even if it did NO damage whatsoever so as long as he contained the protoss in his base by destroying the assimilator. Just fyi, it is VERY common for pro zergs to start the 7th drone, then cancel them both to make a 5 pool.. this started with chojja i believe who did it to surprise the commentators/viewers. I mean, you get 100% cash back , and you dont need the larvae that early on either... its just something to kill time If Luxury is at any other position on the map Bisu scouts the 5 pool in time and secures his nat with cannons. He knew his chances were low against Bisu, so he tried to get a cheap win.
it wasnt a cheap win. it was a brilliant planned out strategy.
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On February 11 2008 04:19 koryano321 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2008 12:38 Nick_54 wrote:On February 09 2008 23:14 Plexa wrote:On February 08 2008 20:09 Letmelose wrote:On February 08 2008 09:48 ThePhan2m wrote:On February 08 2008 07:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On February 08 2008 07:13 Nick_54 wrote:On February 08 2008 05:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On February 08 2008 03:50 koryano321 wrote:
would u put bisu as a favorite over any of the people above him besides lux? i wouldnt at his current state. and thats why bisu is so low on this months PR. Err, I'd put Luxury over Bisu in a heartbeat judging by their current forms. That must be why Lux decided his best chance of winning was 5 pooling and praying Bisu scouted wrong. in case you didnt notice, luxury had an entire game plan that started with a 5pool to prevent bisu from taking his nat whether bisu scouted it or not wouldnt make a difference, because either way he doesnt cannon his nat actually you are mistaken. he didnt have the entire game planned. what you dont see on the vod, is seems that luxury actually changes his mind when he aborts double drone at start, then goes for 5 pool. You can see it on the replay ogn plays after. You miss it cuz they show bisus and luxurys faces etc at start. Luxury mentioned in his interview that his 5 pool opening wasn't designed to finish Bisu off early on. He must have had a another build he changed his mind about early on in the game, but it's quite clear that the 5 pool opening had been thoroughly practiced. Bisu was screwed the moment Luxury contained him. Luxury said he won games in practice with this opening even if it did NO damage whatsoever so as long as he contained the protoss in his base by destroying the assimilator. Just fyi, it is VERY common for pro zergs to start the 7th drone, then cancel them both to make a 5 pool.. this started with chojja i believe who did it to surprise the commentators/viewers. I mean, you get 100% cash back , and you dont need the larvae that early on either... its just something to kill time If Luxury is at any other position on the map Bisu scouts the 5 pool in time and secures his nat with cannons. He knew his chances were low against Bisu, so he tried to get a cheap win. it wasnt a cheap win. it was a brilliant planned out strategy.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. If Bisu scouts him faster he can secure his nat and the assimilators with probes and cannons. I don't think Lux can execute his "brillant" strategy after he just 5 pooled.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
It was a low probability strat but if Bisu did not put up sufficient defences in time for the rush, Lux has almost a 100% chance of winning that game. Either right away with the rush or later in the game which is what happened. The strat itself is not "brilliant" but the brilliance was the choice to go for a rush. Bisu is the best PvZ and Luxury is weak at that matchup so it was wise for him to roll the dice.
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Lol, Bisu took Savior's old spot. Guess they really are rivals XD
Nice Power Rank, agree with most of it, but I'd put Much ahead of Mind.
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I like Jangbi 
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fakesteve... wow.... nice placing of upmagic....... how the hell did he just fall over to jangbi like that??
great fucking job not placing him in top 10... i was for up takin place of anytime (he is my fav player but seriously against nada wtf???? T___T)
-_-;; very nice
i hope your sea does better this time around in individual leageus ^_^
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Who will make the MSL Final? Jangbi or Kal?? Either way Steve will probably have to give one of his two most hated a nice power rank spot.
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