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Power Rank 07/06/2007 - Page 6

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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
July 11 2007 00:43 GMT
#101
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=FO5fH3i5lQA&mode=related&search=
talking about skelton..
and oldschool

omg rofl nostalgia³³³³³ : D<3
hatred outlives the hateful
boghat
Profile Joined January 2007
United States2109 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-11 00:48:59
July 11 2007 00:47 GMT
#102
On July 11 2007 09:35 ~chut~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2007 15:33 boghat wrote:
Anytime won the OSL too after Nal_rA so my bad.

For some interesting stats though:

Winner of OSL by race:

10 Terran
6 Protoss
4 Zerg
1 Random (Grrrr...)

MSL:

7 Terran
5 Zerg
2 Protoss

Total:

17 Terran
9 Zerg
8 Protoss
1 Random


4 zergs for osl? you probably count the korea open, that isn't generally considered a starleague.

I was just basing my stats off this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=53114

and Wikipedia which has the same information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft_professional_competition
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 11 2007 01:26 GMT
#103
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13365 Posts
July 11 2007 10:55 GMT
#104
Firstly, Fuck Etter.

Secondly, I think FBH is too high. GGplay needs more credit and Sea is a muppet who should be blasted from the top 10.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 11 2007 20:13 GMT
#105
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
July 11 2007 22:27 GMT
#106
I said the same thing on the first page more or less, and people were like "Omg, you hate Nal_rA!!! Dieeeee"

-_-;;
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4340 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-12 19:47:00
July 12 2007 19:45 GMT
#107
One word and a smile: GGPlay :-)
As so many people wrote after the PR was released, "GGPlay above Flash"
Up up and above, sAviOr, Hwasin, FBH... < GGPlay for the crown :-)
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
boghat
Profile Joined January 2007
United States2109 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-12 19:50:45
July 12 2007 19:50 GMT
#108
Well GGplay and FlaSh both proved they are extremely skilled in my opinion. I was always giving the upper hand to GGplay, I was just pipe dream hoping FlaSh would come up with something brilliant but oh well, I'm not that disappointed or surprised.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
July 12 2007 21:12 GMT
#109
On July 13 2007 04:50 boghat wrote:
Well GGplay and FlaSh both proved they are extremely skilled in my opinion. I was always giving the upper hand to GGplay, I was just pipe dream hoping FlaSh would come up with something brilliant but oh well, I'm not that disappointed or surprised.


It was pretty close tho.

The first game was pretty disappointing from both sides, but especially Flash. He really should have been more careful on a map like Monghwa.

The game could easily have become a drawn-out, interesting game, but instead it turned into a rush, and Flash is to blame, not GGplay, that it ended so early. Then again, it kinda seemed as if Flash just couldn't stand the map at all, maybe he had his own private objections to it, I dunno.

GG play.

-Mynock
neotoss
Profile Joined January 2003
China217 Posts
July 14 2007 01:56 GMT
#110
MSL final just prove PR has the right order for Bisu and Stork. :D.

To be honest I never heard Bisu's name before I read the first Power Ranking few month ago. I just reread it, Etter mentioned that he has great potential but lost to Goodfriends can't be condoned. After that Bisu disappear from PR for few month and come back to place the second slot in PR.

Within half year Bisu win 2 MSL title in one row. That is amazing.
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
July 14 2007 03:30 GMT
#111
The final was so close, it could really have gone either way. One of the closest finals in quite a while.
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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
July 14 2007 04:07 GMT
#112
Yeah, it was just one excellent stasis, excellent, but lucky. And game 5 has clearly shown Bisu's storming is sloppy. Stork was definetely storming better. Game 4 was ugly as well. Reaver + shuttle >> reaver and Bisu should've known that. Nevertheless, I still consider Bisu to be a better player overall. Etter pointed precisely that Bisu is the only toss in the world atm who can be given at least even odds with pretty much anyone.

For those attacking Ra, he is not the hottest player atm, but watch the games from the past. He's a hero of pimpest plays along Boxer.

And I'm so happy with Iris on place 3! Gogogo, berserker terran!
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 14 2007 20:59 GMT
#113
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neotoss
Profile Joined January 2003
China217 Posts
July 14 2007 22:42 GMT
#114
On July 14 2007 13:07 BluzMan wrote:
Yeah, it was just one excellent stasis, excellent, but lucky. And game 5 has clearly shown Bisu's storming is sloppy. Stork was definetely storming better. Game 4 was ugly as well. Reaver + shuttle >> reaver and Bisu should've known that. Nevertheless, I still consider Bisu to be a better player overall. Etter pointed precisely that Bisu is the only toss in the world atm who can be given at least even odds with pretty much anyone.

For those attacking Ra, he is not the hottest player atm, but watch the games from the past. He's a hero of pimpest plays along Boxer.

And I'm so happy with Iris on place 3! Gogogo, berserker terran!


Goon with range >>> Goon without Range, Stork should know it as well. Where is the DA from stork? Everyone make mistakes, I think Stork make more mistakes so he lose the 5th game. The stasis was not lucky. That is his purpose to use it in the battle.

To be honest I could not make any judgment about storm in the game 5. There are too many storms going on in the whole game. But somehow Bisu win more battles than stork.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
July 14 2007 22:49 GMT
#115
Stork may have made terrible mistakes that cost him dearly, but I could say the same for Bisu (example: he lost his first army due to it being out of position). However, Bisu withstood the pressure and Bisu made less of the game deciding mistakes. I think Etter said best himself ... Bisu's the Champion. It could have gone either way, but in my mind that's a damned good reason to credit Bisu, as when he was at a disadvantage, held his nerves and played the game winning move. The hallmark of a true champion and someone in blazing form.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
neotoss
Profile Joined January 2003
China217 Posts
July 14 2007 23:09 GMT
#116
On July 15 2007 07:49 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Stork may have made terrible mistakes that cost him dearly, but I could say the same for Bisu (example: he lost his first army due to it being out of position). However, Bisu withstood the pressure and Bisu made less of the game deciding mistakes. I think Etter said best himself ... Bisu's the Champion. It could have gone either way, but in my mind that's a damned good reason to credit Bisu, as when he was at a disadvantage, held his nerves and played the game winning move. The hallmark of a true champion and someone in blazing form.


Agreed. It is very close game and could go either way. But I don't think there is so much lucky factor in the 5th game. It dependent whether you can hold the pressure and come back if you are in disadvantage.
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4340 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-15 17:23:39
July 14 2007 23:37 GMT
#117
Even if Iris wins OSL finals 3-0, Bisu still deserves #1 without a shadow of a doubt.
He's the ultimate champion, to win Game-5 like that.. Bisu is simply amazing, a perfect champion.
Stork played amazing of course.. If Iris wins OSL I'd place Stork #3, if GGPlay wins OSL I'd place Stork #2 :-) I know what you're thinking BUT GGPlay isn't Zerg perfection, I'd still give him even odds to lose a Bo3 set against any good player, or even Proleague matches (while I'd give both Bisu and Stork a very high 80%+ chance to take almost any set), GGPlay has the guts and will of a champion, but he's no Bisu imo. I love GGPlay for his spirit, but I don't think he's the kind of player that can.. for example, win 2 titles in a row, or make it to two finals in a row. But its about time he gets his title shot, and he well earned it!
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
July 15 2007 18:24 GMT
#118
On July 15 2007 07:42 neotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2007 13:07 BluzMan wrote:
Yeah, it was just one excellent stasis, excellent, but lucky. And game 5 has clearly shown Bisu's storming is sloppy. Stork was definetely storming better. Game 4 was ugly as well. Reaver + shuttle >> reaver and Bisu should've known that. Nevertheless, I still consider Bisu to be a better player overall. Etter pointed precisely that Bisu is the only toss in the world atm who can be given at least even odds with pretty much anyone.

For those attacking Ra, he is not the hottest player atm, but watch the games from the past. He's a hero of pimpest plays along Boxer.

And I'm so happy with Iris on place 3! Gogogo, berserker terran!


Goon with range >>> Goon without Range, Stork should know it as well. Where is the DA from stork? Everyone make mistakes, I think Stork make more mistakes so he lose the 5th game. The stasis was not lucky. That is his purpose to use it in the battle.

To be honest I could not make any judgment about storm in the game 5. There are too many storms going on in the whole game. But somehow Bisu win more battles than stork.


No, these cases are different. Forgetting goon range in a storm-based and intense PvP is a slightly important thing that, while having some effect on the game, is theoretically possible to go unnoticed. Forgetting to build a shuttle for your reaver is impossible to get unnoticed, it's like forgetting to get goons at all. What I'm saying is that in game 4 Bisu played like a D-level player who doesn't even know that the most standard protoss build involved a reaver in a shuttle that will fly to his base at a certain time and kill all of his army. That is precisely what happened. It's not that Bisu forgot something, he was caught with his pants down with the most basic thing in the protoss book, which is, imho, untolerable for a player of his level. Game 2 was a brilliant display of an unusual strategy and godzilla firepower, surely a must watch, but game 4 was a disgrace to progaming that shouldn't have happened.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-15 22:59:31
July 15 2007 22:58 GMT
#119
Well, after watching the finals myself... games 1 and 3 I don't think Stork could have won after a bit. Game 2 or 4 (I forget which, and perhaps both), Bisu expanded way too quickly and got punished for it, simple as that (game 2 it was just by dual robos, surprised this hasn't popped up more on this map). I wouldn't really call game 4 a disgrace to progaming (the Stork vs FBH series might have been, but given all the great judgement calls Bisu makes, one semi-major screwup that costs a game because the opponent catches it isn't exactly a grave disgrace).

Take home point being: I doubt Stork had as good of a shot as he thought in games 1 and 3, Bisu made some really bad choices that gave Stork a good shot of winning games 2 and 4 (but Stork also took advantage of them, especially in game 2).

Oh, and it's hard to argue that Bisu's stasis was luck when you consider the fact that he outmined his final expansion way ahead of Stork and had arbiters far more quickly than Stork. The reason he was able to abuse it in the first place without eating a stasis himself is because he had two and Stork had one (also, why did Stork not get a stasis in on Bisu's army after his unstasised? He could have potentially trapped most of Bisu's army and united his army that had been stasised with his remaining army. I half suspect he didn't research it, or he messed up on an epic scale and lost his chance to salvage an abysmal battle).
TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
July 19 2007 06:56 GMT
#120
I havent watched the games but im assuming why he didnt get the shuttle was to get a earlier nexus and to expo earlier then get his shuttle after his 2 reavers. Which is a good strategy just that stork came with a shuttle and reavers and shuttle w/ reavers > reavers alone.

Also we must assume iris probably wouldnt be in the finals if stork knew how to play vs 2 fact terran.
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