EPTIf major tournaments released replays, how would you use t…
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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DBS
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On May 06 2013 13:29 EnumaAvalon wrote: Seeing this, I can kinda imagine why releasing replays may be "bad" for some players. Look at Stephano's Max Roach, after it's been dissected, he lost prominence. You can do the same disection w/ a vod if they keep the production tab open, which is pretty standard, its just more difficult | ||
Waxangel
United States33339 Posts
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
On May 06 2013 14:30 DBS wrote: You can do the same disection w/ a vod if they keep the production tab open, which is pretty standard, its just more difficult A lot more difficult. Since you have no control unless the casters will have the production tab on forever. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
On May 06 2013 13:29 EnumaAvalon wrote: Seeing this, I can kinda imagine why releasing replays may be "bad" for some players. Look at Stephano's Max Roach, after it's been dissected, he lost prominence. You dont need a replay to identify 14pool 3hatch 6 min double gas 7 min roach warren drone to 50 and max on roaches man.. It's actually one of the simplest things in the game to do, just slight ordering of things like queens and overlords can make it a bit better if you go in depth. I mean once it's been done in 10+ games, it's not the hardest of strategies to pull apart. Something i would say is much more influential from replays would be for example Parting immortal all in from WOL days - Without an exact replay, structuring, pretty exact timing on gasses 3 and 4, gateways, robo, map of chronoboost usage, especially with the inbase forge stuff he did - it's impossible to play anywhere near as effectively as he did. The average masters player missed his timings by, literally, a minute or more, without a lot of replay disecting and guiding, even many GM players did some things pretty fundamentally wrong with the style of all in, or defending against it. I got into a debate once about if an opening would hold immortal all in, i got replays of it beating GM level immortal all ins; yet they still didn't have any kind of good timings, the kind that would invalidate the opening in question Casters don't really ever go into any kind of depth aside from "oh he's doing an immortal all in" or "he's dropping some extra gates now" etc - while with roach max all you need is for example 14pool, 3hatch before gas, 6 min double gas, 7 min roach warren + evo and an idea of how far to drone, you need to go much more in depth for many other things. And for the stuff that doesn't require you to be as in depth? Replays are just much easier and more user friendly. | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On May 06 2013 13:29 EnumaAvalon wrote: Seeing this, I can kinda imagine why releasing replays may be "bad" for some players. Look at Stephano's Max Roach, after it's been dissected, he lost prominence. That's oversimplifying the competitive environment. There's many other factors that may have contributed; personal issues, practice regime, etc. | ||
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dirtydurb82
United States178 Posts
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
On May 06 2013 14:38 Waxangel wrote: If I can't catch something live, and replays are up in a timely manner, I can't see a situation where I'd watch the VOD over the rep. If it's two casters I like, I could see why I'd watch the vod  Honestly though, most of the time if I'm trying to learn a build the replays are better than the vods. I don't have a preference though. If I want to enjoy the game, I'll watch the vods. If I'm studying it so I can figure out the player's strategy, I'll watch the replay. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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Skoven
Denmark13 Posts
The only downside to doing this would be for players who device complex strategies that blow minds, or rely somewhat on the element of surprise. Even in that scenario, it is better for the health of the game, as everyone can learn about the game. It forces players to evolve, and make preparation for a series potentially more rewarding. The fact that we can now resume from replays offers unique training exercises for pros and players alike, and everyone wins in that case. Hell, I win too, because Artosis and other analytical casters can effectively analyze play styles for races or individual players, and therefore give better reasoning for how these guys are going to play their games, or even better, lose it when the player does something completely unexpected. | ||
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Yorke
England881 Posts
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
On May 06 2013 14:38 Waxangel wrote: If I can't catch something live, and replays are up in a timely manner, I can't see a situation where I'd watch the VOD over the rep. Really? Replays are cool and all but if it's Tastosis casting I'd much rather watch the VOD myself. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
But yeah, I would never watch it over a stream simply because I'm lazy and don't feel like observing myself. The Koreans do a good enough job. If I did watch a VOD, it'd likely contain Innovation in which I'd just 1st person it. Replays are okay to watch if I can't make the live stream. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
On May 06 2013 22:56 Yorke wrote: 300 people saying they're not interested in tournament replays? What the fuck? I don't even have the game yo | ||
Wodger
Scotland380 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On May 06 2013 22:56 Yorke wrote: 300 people saying they're not interested in tournament replays? What the fuck? I voted for learning purposes, because that is the only reason I would use them, if I were to. However I have never in the past 3 years DLed replays from a tournament for any purpose. Many people are the same, and therefore have no purpose. | ||
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Waxangel
United States33339 Posts
On May 06 2013 23:52 kochanfe wrote: Really? Replays are cool and all but if it's Tastosis casting I'd much rather watch the VOD myself. Being able to watching multiple games in 2x speed is so useful and time conserving! | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
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figq
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butter
United States785 Posts
On May 07 2013 01:08 Wodger wrote: I'd use them for complete results because apparently it's impossible for major tournaments to track their own results. Yeah and it's even harder for them to keep track of their own replays  | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On May 07 2013 01:08 Wodger wrote: I'd use them for complete results because apparently it's impossible for major tournaments to track their own results. Every bo3 has a 2% chance to end after the first game | ||
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onewaystyx
Switzerland46 Posts
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
On May 07 2013 04:42 onewaystyx wrote: meh doubt that so many people use it to study builds. Really doubt it. clearly doesn't understand the pro in pro gamer | ||
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onewaystyx
Switzerland46 Posts
On May 07 2013 04:52 mishimaBeef wrote: clearly doesn't understand the pro in pro gamer I do but i still only watch them for entertainement purposes only as do my other 5 friends that play starcraft 2 so I just think that a lot of people didnt´t answer truthfully | ||
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Prime Directive
United States186 Posts
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
Personally, I would like to see replays a lot. I don't really get the point of not releasing them to "hide information" about player's build. You can definitely copy builds down to the smallest detail as long as you have VoDs you can rewind. Having the replay just makes it easier, but if you want the information it’s fully available. | ||
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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phar
United States1080 Posts
On May 06 2013 22:56 Yorke wrote: 300 people saying they're not interested in tournament replays? What the fuck? At this point SC is just a spectator sport for me. I don't have any proper time & wrist stress to allot towards really improving at the game. So where I would previously look at a replay and figure out builds and timing, I now really just watch casted streams. I don't have a copy of HotS, and I don't even have SC2 installed, but I still enjoy watching tournaments, proleague, etc. Replays would be completely useless to me. | ||
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mtn
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thezanursic
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thezanursic
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On May 07 2013 13:27 mtn wrote: I miss replays tt I would always study them after tournaments :S Watching S class koreans go through open brackets and see how they deal with worse players was always educational. I personally find it the most educational when S class players beat higher tier foreigners. I love doing that for BW especially. Watching kolll get raped by Storks scout was rather sad though. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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Madars
Latvia166 Posts
On May 07 2013 01:24 Waxangel wrote: Being able to watching multiple games in 2x speed is so useful and time conserving! Just increase playback rate in video player, but still if I can get replays I do so, they are way smaller(file size), and more useful | ||
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Zeon0
Austria2995 Posts
I would watch a replay from time to time if I want to copy a build, but I dont play very much lately, so no need for replays | ||
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BAAEEMM
Germany412 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
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ynori
Australia21 Posts
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MrTortoise
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isaachukfan
Canada785 Posts
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Skaminator
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
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xSilverx
Sweden76 Posts
On May 06 2013 14:42 EnumaAvalon wrote: A lot more difficult. Since you have no control unless the casters will have the production tab on forever. Not entirely true, I dissected Naniwas 4gate expand vs Leenock by just watching the SVT VOD. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
Any MLG event I would rather watch replays of. Same went for IPL, and goes for NASL. | ||
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BlackPride
United States186 Posts
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eieio
United States14512 Posts
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GutShot9
Canada46 Posts
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ke_ivan
Singapore374 Posts
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Solisan
Sweden8 Posts
On May 07 2013 23:25 mrRoflpwn wrote: I think I have watched less than 20 replays ever and I am in mid masters currently. I get bored really fast if I am not playing or listening to casters. I mean the only reason I like code S the best is because of Tastosis being so damn hilarious. Replays have never been a big thing for me personally. Omg are you my long lost twin!? Also in masters and get bored way too fast if there arent casters there to commentate and joke around! Boo on replays, love on commentators! | ||
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BoYoB
France83 Posts
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BoYoB
France83 Posts
On May 09 2013 11:10 GutShot9 wrote: In DOTA 2 the casters are embedded in the replays. So you can choose to listen to them or not. As well as watching their screen, player views, or free views. Just a way better replay system in general and makes VODs useless, unless you don't have the game. SC should do something like it. Oh yes ! Earlier and better said, you're a true hero ! | ||
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