EPTWhat do you think of the new WCS system?
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
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[Silverflame]
Germany640 Posts
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kochanfe
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zelevin
United States287 Posts
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LowEloPlayer
United States205 Posts
In general, to a somebody who doesn't already watch SC2, having this type of thing makes watching SC2 for the first time a lot more appealing (if that makes any sense) | ||
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
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Master of DalK
Canada1799 Posts
WCS this year > WCS last year by quite a bit. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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BernabusStarcraft2
Scotland112 Posts
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Trasko
Sweden983 Posts
On April 04 2013 11:57 MrMotionPicture wrote: I need to see it in action. It seems like a good idea. Pretty much this. At first, I was a little uneasy about it. But I do see the positives in having it. There could be a few flaws that need attending though.. | ||
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Emzeeshady
Canada4203 Posts
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
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Gatesleeper
Canada300 Posts
For monumental endeavours like this, the devil is in the details, and I look forward to seeing how all this pans out. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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TerranosaurusWrecks
Canada187 Posts
So yeah the structure isn't perfect but I honestly don't see any better solutions | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
I'd love to have a game that i can be passionate about and a E-Sports scene that can make me proud, but i don't see it happening with this. I'd be surprised to see SC2 within the top5 E-Sports titles in 2014 and i'd even be more surprised if they'd do anything innovative that turns out beneficial for the cybersports scene in general. | ||
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Geos13
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Pchiit
France21 Posts
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BlacKcuD
Germany107 Posts
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Hexo411
Croatia59 Posts
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Felvo
United States124 Posts
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badeanden
Norway56 Posts
+ I disagree with the fact that IEM got Europe instead of Dreamhack. Will Dreamhack tournaments not count? and this makes Dreamhack so much less important, and IEM SO much more important. I don't like when blizzard side with a tournament. | ||
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DusTerr
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ErrantKnight
Switzerland186 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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bartus88
Netherlands491 Posts
Edit: I strongly agree with MC's statements: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406203 | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
now if i misunderstood all and it actually does not lock the top koreans out of MLG/IEM, its actually quite a nice step, but the WCS should've been a different tournament, other than MLG/IEM/code S so the top players can go to all - because this almost turns MLG into a NA tourney, code S into korean (which it already was) and DH/IEM to european matches. I'd have preferred something like last years WCS, but just make it invited events with some qualifiers, smaller scale (because they occur more often) and have the big tourneys running like before. | ||
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JtoK
Germany232 Posts
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Billinator
United States86 Posts
1.6 million dollars is good but I don't know if its acually good for player conditions and such | ||
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looken
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Newbdizzle
United States18 Posts
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
Roro and Bomber | ||
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scnlimit
United States7 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
I pay and attend events because i want to watch the best of the best, not to watch 'murica beat up on other muricans. Just look at last years WCS NA that ran concurrent with MLG Anaheim. no one watched WCS NA at the venue while thousands crowded the stages that had their favorite koreans playing. The KesPA mini tournament drew huge crowds because the players and the skill potential from them was exciting, NOT their nationality. Not to mention this completely screws NASL and DreamHack from participation unless they have a 'ffa points all players can attend these events for a 'max point pool' from them (similar to the ATPTennis system) but then that actually helps those events become more popular, while the region locked tourneys will see decreased numbers. I'm happy that blizz is getting involved and pumping money into it like competitors are for their respective games, and i thinkt he system will eventually get ironed out better, but right now the system just looks like it totally fucks over a lot of orgs and teams and players because the plan didn't detail enough on how it would affect those not in code S, or not in the WCS series. don't even get me started on how i'm praying Gom somehow reimburses loyal subscribers (since gsl open 1 mind you!) is getting massively ripped off now that higher stream quality with less lag is now available FOR FREE on twitch, and what was supposed to be 5 seasons is now probably 3-4. ugh. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On April 05 2013 03:43 scnlimit wrote: Does no one else really have a problem with the idea of Koreans just taking over all of the servers? Like, I'm all for seeing great players, but I think it would also be interesting to see the separate regions going at it later and not all getting dominated by Koreans. No I don't have a problem with it because if the players want to 'win their own moneys' they should have to put in the time and effort to earn it. It's not like koreans are genetically predisposed to just be better, they work harder, practice smarter, and have sacrificed more to get the team environments they need to excel. If i wanted to watch random players beat up on each other that while high skilled won't ever take a game from a korean, I can just watch Diamond league tournaments or local LAN tournaments. And no separate regions going at it later, 'not all getting domianted by Koreans' is exactly what will happen at the season finals every season. It'll be a huge farce. CHEER FOR EUROs with no real korean competition! CHEER FOR NA! with no real korean competition, MEET at the Season 1 Finals! top 5 koreans. rinse repeat for 3 seasons. rinse repeat for WCS. So instead of allowing the potential for having the top 16 or so players of the WORLD competing at the finals each season and at blizzcon eventually, we'll have the top 5 koreans, and then 11 others who are just there to try their best. A for effort, here's a trophy for trying so hard. | ||
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DOUDOU
Wales2940 Posts
if koreans start going oversee and finally take over every WCS, the whole purpose of world championship kinda gets defeated | ||
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Nakamp
Czech Republic27 Posts
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
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IcookTacos
Sweden295 Posts
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MysticaL
Canada118 Posts
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KaiserKieran
United States615 Posts
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
The only thing that straight up bugs me, (maybe because I didn't understand it completely yet) is that there might be a problem regarding getting 'new' (read: unknown) players into this tournament. This new system seems to be more of a overall global point system for existing players, which means Blizzard seems to go away from their original goal of WCS which was to give players the opportunity to have regional champions, as well as a platform for rising stars. In some ways I'll have to see how it will pan out (in regards to how the point system works, or how different tournaments play into it). Also I'm not sure if I personally had chosen IEM over Dreamhack, simply because Dreamhack made a REALLY great tournament last year, and choosing a new partner over one I already had a great experience with seems counterintuitive to me. Then again, I'm sure there are reasons behind the scenes that I don't know of, and I don't think anyone can argue that IEM will do a great job as well. Other than those 'doubts' I'm positively surprised by this new system, It's really much better than the one of last year, and I'm convinced that Blizzard will continue to improve upon it, when or if problems should come up. | ||
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trada
Germany347 Posts
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
Other than that, seems good. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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GelberSack
Germany8 Posts
I like the aspect WCS had last year, and WCG still has. Foreigners vs some Koreans with an actual chance of winning something that matters. It's fun to see some European win a Dreamhack, where the strongest Korean has no chance of playing Code S. But to see e.g. Socke, Stephano or Naniwa make Koreans fight for their victory is where it's at for me. I hope we don't lose that with the new format. Nonetheless: Loving how Blizz seems to make Gom, KeSPA, eSF and OGN work together! Just saw: Socke to EG ^^ | ||
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Damnight
Germany222 Posts
I don't think there needs to be a nationality restriction, but I am of the opinion that we need a residency restriction which means, that violet can play on NA qualifier but not on EU/KR; vise versa Symbol can't stomp NA/EU but only crush KR. I don't think we have to have only Koreans in the final event, and I'm sorry to all foreign pro's but there are very little of you being able to compete with a ton of koreans. If you look at it, even B-Teamers are SO strong. This system would benefit all people who live outside Korea, and everybody who lives there would have a disadvantage, but as Sase said: He isn't there for the money, he wants to be as good as possible. I think the System ESL uses would be great as a structure (EPS is residency restricted). As a format I am more than happy with the GSL one | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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Miss_Foxy
Singapore109 Posts
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warmus
United Kingdom196 Posts
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On April 04 2013 09:56 kochanfe wrote: if there ends up being free VODs That would be the best part. But now, it's rather bizarre with the "let's put a bunch of foreigners as cannon fodder in the grand finals"-attitude promoting B-teamers to go abroad and hindering Code A players from having a chance ever. The concept is cool but the execution is inhumane. | ||
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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zephiK
United States372 Posts
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Mallement
Denmark39 Posts
Winning WCS will prove ultimately that you are the best. GSL Code S/A will always be something special with the element of preparation that goes into it for each player. | ||
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[]Phase[]
Belgium927 Posts
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TheDougler
Canada8305 Posts
Somewhat disapprove. | ||
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Terrasmith
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This severely disadvantages the best players in the world while promoting second-rate players (read:most foreigners), but doesn't mean the foreign players will get any better. So "Koreans are too good; let's limit the number of them that compete to make it more fun." Except that I want to see the most skilled characters, not my country's flag. I also strongly agree with what MC said about what the new format does to code A players. Overall, I don't like it. That said, I'm happy that Blizzard is trying to make SCII a more international event. They just need find a way to do it that forces foreigners to improve instead of crippling the korean players. | ||
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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Incubus1993
Canada140 Posts
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bilivaxyto
Korea (North)28 Posts
I strongly disaprove | ||
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WR4TH
United States72 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2550 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
Poll: What do you think of the poll's answer options that were provided? Strongly approve. (13) Strongly disapprove. (11) I don't know. (6) Somewhat approve. (1) Somewhat disapprove. (1) Neutral. (0) 32 total votes Your vote: What do you think of the poll's answer options that were provided? (Vote): Strongly approve. I voted strongly approve. | ||
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ScaringKids
Portugal819 Posts
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XaMaXaM
Germany113 Posts
On April 04 2013 10:12 zelevin wrote: I like that the new system utilizes nearly all the existing leagues, but it doesn't create new regional tournaments to my understanding. Yep I think so too. Special Question why should we watch NASL now? ssb imo | ||
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yousaba
Sweden55 Posts
why let mlg do it and not nasl, when nasl's wcs event was at least 2000 times better than mlg's. capitalism bullshit. | ||
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envisioN .
United States552 Posts
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Gropah
Netherlands58 Posts
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
Also I would've rather seen DreamHack handling the EU side of the tournament. WCS Europe was in my opinion the best event of 2012 after IPL5, but I guess that's more personal preference, and the ESL guys know their stuff. As for the main talking point of no region locking; it’s still to early to tell but I think once things get under way all the faults people were afraid off will turn out no where near as bad as they feared. | ||
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asdfOu
United States2089 Posts
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Fizzy
Sweden388 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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achan1058
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
I'm not sure if all of this is going to work out, but it's a ballsy move that needed to happen for esports to go to the next level | ||
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Zesty CheF
United States20 Posts
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