EPTWould you rather watch the best possible players in a tour…
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Martyrc
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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`Zapdos
United States935 Posts
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Pjorren
Sweden777 Posts
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Fus
Sweden1112 Posts
 Those are sometimes from my own country. | ||
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PeterUstinox
Germany47 Posts
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ChrysaliS_
United States261 Posts
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sekalf
Sweden522 Posts
Being emotionally invested in a player makes the games so much more enjoyable to watch. So I chose the national option. | ||
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LowEloPlayer
United States205 Posts
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LowEloPlayer
United States205 Posts
On August 26 2012 07:32 sekalf wrote: Personal favorites are always more interesting to follow than just following whoever is the best. Being emotionally invested in a player makes the games so much more enjoyable to watch. So I chose the national option. That's true, but sometimes it makes watching games worse  MMA, DRG, and Squirtle are my favorite players. MMA went in a slump, DRG is in a slump, and Squirtle... watching him place 2nd so many times is just terrible for me. | ||
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BlackPride
United States186 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
The thing is that I am so rarely impressed by the "best" players. If I have to watch a mistake-ridden, mechanically mediocre play anyway, the slight differences in quality and level of play don't really matter. | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
But frankly, a combination of the three is always the best. That's why semi-invite semi-open systems seem to work well. | ||
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
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WarrickHunt
United Kingdom393 Posts
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rift
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Catatafish
75 Posts
In any case I always prefer the tournament with the highest caliber of players possible. Which is why I will probably be less psyched for the actual world championship than I was for the Korean qualifier. | ||
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Sharkas
Germany19 Posts
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trashman
United States113 Posts
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Oiseaux
United States676 Posts
I also chose to ignore the home nationality part when choosing the up and comer part. Whether the up and comer is Korean/Polish/NA/Chinese/Martian, whatever, it's always fun to watch a player grow from invisibility to the spotlight. Ex: I've loved following Taeja and Crank since the early days of the | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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RenSC2
United States1057 Posts
On August 26 2012 10:29 Oiseaux wrote: Both, but considering there seems to be plenty of outlets for the best of the best, I chose the up and comer option. Almost the exact same opinion as this guy. I want a combination of both, either in the same tournament or separate, but right now we mostly get the best vs the best. So I voted for up and comers. If I stopped getting best vs best, I'd be pretty disappointed though. | ||
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mahkan
United States153 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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strayd
United States9 Posts
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Yurie
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13JackaL
United States577 Posts
This poll left out a few options it seems. eg. qxc, Mvp, NaDa (before retiring ofc) | ||
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Gorilla23
United States339 Posts
This poll seems to imply we could only have players from one of the two categories. Thankfully all tournaments have both. Maybe not rising talent so much as underdogs however. | ||
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Cosmos
Belgium1077 Posts
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
I prefer to watch huge open brackets with both best players and unknowns. So that we see rising stars in actions proving their valor. If the best players play against the best, you don't really know who's lacking skills recently. If rising stars play against other national talents, you only see a mid level tournament with some winner defeating low-mid level players. If both get matched up, you can truly see everyone's valor. That's why i like MLGs.Who would have put EifeR or goswser in a tournament featuring the best players ? | ||
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
this one is too easy to answer | ||
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chuky500
France473 Posts
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n0ise
3452 Posts
I prefer watching the best players that I actually know something about, for the same reason that I watch my garbage soccer league instead of high-profile leagues - cos I can get emotionally invested, I know them, and in the case of SC, I even played some of them. Random (not derogatory, I hope it's clear) koreans just raise 0 interest in me, even if they qualified for being good players | ||
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cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
On August 26 2012 06:47 Ettick wrote: I like watching rising talent take on the best players, so it's a mix of both lol this. option missing. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Epoxide
Magic Woods9326 Posts
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
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trada
Germany347 Posts
Its the mixture that gets you. People want to see upsets. You wont have any upsets if you let the 16 best players in the world duke it out. | ||
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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P_Golden
Italy6 Posts
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jnd
Czech Republic915 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On August 26 2012 06:47 Ettick wrote: I like watching rising talent take on the best players, so it's a mix of both lol Yeah, why can't we do both? | ||
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
I would much rather watch the best Koreans in the world doing the most solid/thought out builds there is. I don't want to watch a tournament that includes half the people I hit on the ladder on a daily basis. | ||
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KookyMonster
United States311 Posts
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WhiteWOR
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xSilverx
Sweden76 Posts
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Seiferz
United States640 Posts
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y0su
Finland7871 Posts
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deathserv
United States228 Posts
On August 26 2012 06:47 Ettick wrote: I like watching rising talent take on the best players, so it's a mix of both lol Well said. Agree 100%. | ||
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SayGen
United States1209 Posts
Any of the EG players, MMA, MKP, MVP, Nestea | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
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Kompicek
Czech Republic245 Posts
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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CursOr
United States6335 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
On August 26 2012 20:02 red4ce wrote: "Rising national talent?" Inform me when the USA has some. Suppy, Vibe, sasquatch. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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Devise
Canada1131 Posts
and DeMuslim and HuK | ||
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Ezaura_au
114 Posts
On August 27 2012 10:25 Devise wrote: I like to watch IdrA and DeMuslim and HuK So you want an option for .... underachieving and overpaid players? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On August 27 2012 08:13 Luepert wrote: Then why the fuck does everyone complain about TSL and "boring korean syndrome?" Those who are upset are the loudest, everyone else is just enjoying the show. | ||
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dBdHellRider
Sweden63 Posts
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Sapp
Poland173 Posts
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heha
Australia425 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On August 27 2012 11:21 Ezaura_au wrote: So you want an option for .... underachieving and overpaid players? Lol i see what u did there!  | ||
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
I always root for my country (although really I root for NA, no I am not really from Djiabouti thats just a joke), if Idra, Scarlett, Huk or Illusion (various ROOT except Destiny) play I root for them and defend them in chat. I will not outright refuse to watch Kvs.K games if they are good. Makes me a bit furious when I see someone root for the Korean guy over a American though. I just am nationalistic... character flaw maybe. I feel like, did your mom bring you up to be a traitor! LOL Just exaggerating but you know what I am sayin. | ||
KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
On August 26 2012 06:47 Ettick wrote: I like watching rising talent take on the best players, so it's a mix of both lol Yeah, I really prefer a mix myself. I do enjoy seeing the rise of a newcomer, but I'm very happy watching an established pro play as well. | ||
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
then somewhere in the latter half of 2011 the whole scene got so big that there's high level play on every corner every single day, the amazing plays that make you go OOH are few and far between, and there's swarms of faceless korean pros that tell me nothing except "generic very high level korean player", which bores the shit out of me - doesn't help with the boredom that comes with the skill level at every echelon having plateaued quite noticeably for the better part of this past year problem is, i can't really watch the pitiful performances of westerners even with their occasional glimpses of brilliance a la Naniwa if they don't make a big splash in a tournament against heavyweights, having been spoiled by seing the scene rise from nothing in the early days of beta and spectated through the rise of the big personalities and the few BIG champions this game has produced so nowadays, new talent is what i'd rather watch any day of the week. but only as long as it's new TALENT, if you know what i mean. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Risljaninasim
Netherlands228 Posts
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Vanimar
220 Posts
Which is great but is kinda boring after a while. We need people to cheer for! So bring me national talents! | ||
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ErAsc2
Sweden256 Posts
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
Given the choice of only one, then best players. | ||
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SolarJto
United States260 Posts
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
The actual problem is that there is barely any rising non-korean talent. All the crying about 'they're all koreans' is flat out pathetic. You should be crying about how the western teams, all with significantly more money and sponsorships than the korean teams, are failing to produce talent and are instead hanging on to players that haven't been relevant in terms of gameplay since early beta. It's the 'foreign' teams failing you, not tournament organizers. | ||
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Black17
France435 Posts
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-shArk-
Germany150 Posts
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
It might not be the highest quality games but I find more fun in cheering for it. That´s also why I don´t watch the English/Spanish football competitions but the Dutch. The English/Spanish games are much better in quality on average but I just don´t have an emotional investment or connection with those teams. | ||
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SkyHighEyes
United States11 Posts
I also really liked the WCS format this year because having a bunch of sub-tournaments limited by nation and then region gave some rising talent a fighting chance and let us really get a look at what's out there. A Korean will probably win it all, but I'm glad I got to see a Europe-only tournament and an NA-only tournament before then. | ||
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DevilofDeath
United States73 Posts
Except its eSports style; and unfortunately eSports looks so much more beautiful when its the best players playing. | ||
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Xlancer
United States126 Posts
On August 26 2012 08:08 MCXD wrote: Favourite players > Best players > Rising players But frankly, a combination of the three is always the best. That's why semi-invite semi-open systems seem to work well. This is exactly how I feel too | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23220 Posts
Favourite players > Best players > Rising players.... is correct. I rarely watch any matches without a zerg opponent also so that is probably the biggest part for me... Although if we got some pro's who really didn't like each other that could make for some interesting matches too. For all the team owners out there if you really want to be successfull don't forget to teach your players some PR skills along with SC2 strats | ||
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ff7legend
United States213 Posts
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LawnMower
Sweden557 Posts
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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RedFive
United States4 Posts
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Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
A tournament with the best possible players will always trump a tournament with rising talents. The question should be - should there be more tournaments with rising talents? And my answer is yes, yes, yes! | ||
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RoranRock
France294 Posts
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executorx
Germany81 Posts
nationalities arent important. | ||
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Adellund
Denmark92 Posts
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Exya
Canada54 Posts
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a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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Inoshishi
Canada29 Posts
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
I wouldn't watch a tournament that only has koreans in it (well I do watch gsl but I mean like outside of korea) I think it is pretty boring and I would watch the german eps or whatever EU/german tournament over that any day | ||
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GuMmIbEiN
Faroe Islands4 Posts
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Wafflelisk
Canada1061 Posts
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lordofsoup
United States159 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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HyPo
Belgium9 Posts
some other korean supergosu. I want to know how the 'less gosu' players match up. | ||
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
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bgzstudent
United States1 Post
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mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
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may0nnaise
United States40 Posts
This doesn't mean I don't support rising talent, I'm just not interested in watching it until the rising star starts to take out some established pros. | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
While the best players can give us good content, so can the l rising talent do as well. For example, I really liked the way Naugrim played against Bischu in the E-Sport SM February Final | ||
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FataLe
New Zealand4498 Posts
Why then, in a tournament that involves both, have people noted if there is no foreigners after a certain point (semis, for instance) the viewership declines? The vocal minority up in dis here poll. | ||
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Viking182
Italy27 Posts
) and support them !more eSport in Italy !!! | ||
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Mustajuttu
Sweden6 Posts
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Keldrome
Sweden3 Posts
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GreenMash
Norway1746 Posts
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CeriseCherries
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NewbieOne
Poland560 Posts
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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ilimor
Sweden47 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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jyuj
Australia103 Posts
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di4m0nd
United States297 Posts
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ackbar
United States94 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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how
United States538 Posts
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NotoriousBig
Germany301 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
But if it's 16 koreans or 14 koreans and 2 foreigners I'm not watching it. | ||
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chichom27
Ecuador56 Posts
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Kreggar
United States83 Posts
What I'm trying to say is...I want more of BOTH!!! | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On August 26 2012 06:47 Ettick wrote: I like watching rising talent take on the best players, so it's a mix of both lol This by far | ||
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frosecold
Venezuela76 Posts
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
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ManicMarine
Australia409 Posts
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
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Night Eyes
433 Posts
Sign... Guess I cant answer every poll on TL. | ||
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choopakabra
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elctrc_wzrd
Canada61 Posts
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neptunusfisk
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rd
United States2586 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
Voted rising talent though. As interesting as seeing the same ultra high level koreans duke it out can be, it's much more interesting when a foreigner is on a tear vs those same koreans. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
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GreggSauce
United States566 Posts
the issue is the "best rising players" end up usually getting destroyed by "the best possible competition" so maybe a super high quality tournament, and a more "hype" tournament consisting of "GSTL" players who show amazing plays but don't do well in individual leagues. That's just an example but I think it'd be nice. | ||
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herrmus
Sweden144 Posts
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blug
Australia623 Posts
My favorite tournaments have around 80% players which I know of and around 20% which are being given a shot to make a name for themselves. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
Edit: fixed my foreigner-grammar | ||
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Ryka
United Kingdom254 Posts
I stop watching tournaments when my favourite players are out. | ||
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trGKakarot
United States129 Posts
TSL4 just feels nameless to me and the only loss a Korean had to a foreigner is when Hyun stomped Major then decided to let him win the series. Would be much more exciting if the Koreans involved were Nestea/MC/MarineKing who were dominating the tournament. I know the format of the TSL is meant to get the best current players and not the players that are the fan favorites, but the tournament started out with only a couple people who I actively wanted to follow, and I feel like that is more important than the "top" players of the time. | ||
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LucidityDark
United Kingdom139 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
On September 01 2012 08:33 elctrc_wzrd wrote: What the fuck? Who wrote this question... BOTH are important I mean come on if everyone only watched the NFL and didn't pay any attention to the minor leagues for college, teens etc where would talent come from? This question is badly thought out although I'm sure the intentions behind it are good. I want starcraft to raise its amateur players in the west, honestly this scene gets so caught up with the named players that it forgets that these guys come from somewhere, how about those of us that spend 6 hours a day plus trying to become professional players, yes we exist some of us have even finished university and have forgone jobs (I'm fine with this) to try and chase this dream, yet the starcraft scene continues to shit on us by inviting known, paid and sponsored players to opportunities and continuing this vicious cycle. Wake the fuck up TL and StarCraft take care of your amateurs, trust me I'd like to run my own league to help out my fellow amateurs but I am trying to be a player not a caster, and not an organizer yet anyway. I'm sure I'm going to get some flack for what I've said here or even get ignored/unnoticed in the sea of one sentence replies. But please, for once lets ask ourselves where our pro players come from and make the transition not necessarily easier but less luck based. I apologize for my grammar english is not my native tongue. Chill out dude. It's a poll where you make a choice. | ||
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gakkgakk
Norway902 Posts
So I prefer to watch the best possible players so I can enjoy players like Taeja/Mvp/Mkp. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
- Are GSL or OSL currently running or are there vods to catch up? Yes: Watch GSL or OSL No: Continue with next step - Are there any "local" (in my case: european) tournaments being broadcasted? Yes: Watch them. No: Continue with next step now either: - Are NASL / IPL running? Yes: Watch it. or - Are there any streams of good (minus exceptions, this means Korean) or local (here it means German) players running? Yes: Watch it. | ||
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Kitai
United States873 Posts
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Qnfauf
United States17 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
And no, I don't say that because of Stephano (though it could be joked about in this thread), but rather because both are interesting to me... I want to see the best players because the matches will be epic (generally *cough*), but I also like a lot seeing rising players, and especially french players (though they aren't any rising player in the french scene atm imo...) | ||
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lrofd
United States187 Posts
On August 26 2012 07:37 LowEloPlayer wrote: I'm Korean so... I'll go with both? :D yeah see for the msot of us, that aint happening | ||
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Seporo
France61 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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bouboule
American Samoa62 Posts
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
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Surgical_Strike
United States72 Posts
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Germany56 Posts
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United States537 Posts
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United States408 Posts
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United States9 Posts
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United States81 Posts
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Finland659 Posts
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United States57 Posts
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