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What do you think of Naniwa vs Nestea? - Page 14

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Optometrist
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada14 Posts
December 18 2011 19:56 GMT
#261
what naniwa did was not in his best interest for sure, and im sure many people are frusterated with him, however when people buy tickets to see these events, thats the risk they are taking whether its going to be a good game or not, its just the way it is, naniwa was obviously frusterated and you cant control someones emotions, i dont think theres anything anyone can do about it, but nani did pay for what he did by losing im sure many fans, i think that is punishment enough,
Runar_121
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden21 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 22:39:19
December 18 2011 22:38 GMT
#262
Y U ALWAYS OVERREACT?!
Love Idra
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
December 19 2011 11:55 GMT
#263
Completely unacceptable ! :C
"MBCGame HERO... What Else ?"
Ouga
Profile Joined March 2008
Finland645 Posts
December 19 2011 12:23 GMT
#264
Only 25% bad opinions on votes, gj!

No but seriously I don't think anyone except maybe team manager has excuse to call him idiot for doing that. Eventually hurts himself only, even if it wasn't made such a topic. He has right to look idiot for those 25% of people who care of nonsense, that's enough punishment imo.
MrShankly
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United Kingdom371 Posts
December 19 2011 12:52 GMT
#265
Disappointing but i wouldn't say it was not a big deal
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Loeder
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands9 Posts
December 19 2011 18:10 GMT
#266
Mehh everyone picking on Naniwa, he'll just 4-gate next time, move along people.
<3
mullinmm
Profile Joined April 2010
United States21 Posts
December 19 2011 21:17 GMT
#267
I don't really understand how anyone can put Naniwa's personal position and situation (read: his ego) above respect for the game and respect for the tournament. Numerous sports tournaments feature group play that occasionally results in games meaningless to the tournament results, but it is professionalism and a passion for the game itself which (normally) prevents this from being an issue. See the FIFA World Cup, arguably the most important sporting tournament in the world, for an example. It's fine if you don't think Naniwa behaved all that poorly--but professionalism and the game itself come first, and this is worth taking very seriously. Not least by the professional players themselves, whose livelihood does not exist without the inherent value in the game and in the competition.

As an aside to those who blame the tournament organizers for making poor choices, a tournament of this kind has some advantages over other tournament systems, including a schedule that is known ahead of time, allowing players to prepare builds for each game (something which we usually see in the later stages of a tournament but is lost in a more fluid group format). It might not be the best fit for the GSL or the Blizzard Cup, but it's hardly blameworthy--there are rational reasons to use this tournament format. Rational reasons which far outstrip any argument that could be made for Naniwa's actions.
yeee
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23451 Posts
December 19 2011 21:53 GMT
#268
My personal opinion is that it didn't mean much to me, but if I was sponsoring a player and he didn't play his hardest all game every game I'd tell that player that I was disappointed with them and that I expected more of them. I believe that they would owe their sponsors, tournament hosts, and fans especially an apology.

Based on the communities response it seems that the majority realize it was not something that should be repeated regardless of how we get to that conclusion
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
nakam
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden245 Posts
December 19 2011 23:05 GMT
#269
The question can be interpreted in two ways. I'd like to know the public opinion on this so redo the question please.
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SpiritAshura
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1271 Posts
December 20 2011 00:01 GMT
#270
I think the majority opinion is right on this one looking from the eyes of a fan. I imagine the sponsors of him/the tournament feel VERY differently, but that isn't the question.
beetlelisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Poland2276 Posts
December 20 2011 07:31 GMT
#271
I understand GOM's punishment but I don't understand the fan rage. It shows the community could be a bit more mature imo.
Voted for no big deal.
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
December 20 2011 14:24 GMT
#272
Understandable, but GOM overreacted massively.
YellOwSky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada156 Posts
December 20 2011 17:53 GMT
#273
Why should Naniwa play a game that means nothing and let gomtv make money off it? What Naniwa did was unacceptable but GOM should not let player play meaningless matches.
Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
December 21 2011 03:29 GMT
#274
Completely unacceptable BUT so was GOM's reaction to it.
"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
December 21 2011 03:41 GMT
#275
who cares honestly
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
hugoagogo
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand9 Posts
December 21 2011 04:32 GMT
#276
It was fantastic my favourite moment in a GSL yet, there need to be more people like him in the game.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-21 05:15:08
December 21 2011 05:14 GMT
#277
Can someone tell me how "understandable" is a fucking option?

It's like for example you have someone who killed someone. But he's insane. So it's understandable that he did it since he's crazy...but it doesn't mean that it was okay.

Understandable =/= okay.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Louis8k8
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada285 Posts
December 21 2011 15:07 GMT
#278
Unacceptable. A worker rush for a quick win is acceptable. But the way he executed that looked clearly like he didn't want to play at all.
laxcrit19
Profile Joined November 2011
United States6 Posts
December 21 2011 15:16 GMT
#279
I understand what he did and why he did it but he is a professional and there is a higher requirement for his behavior. This will be one of those growing up moments for him as a person but he deserves the ridicule he is getting. He has no one to blame but himself. I just hope in a few months this will be a non issue and Nani will be a better person for it.
where did all my SCVs go?
claash
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland472 Posts
December 22 2011 05:16 GMT
#280
"Completely justified"
whoever voted for that..lol
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