EPTThe Koreans at IEM were mid tier. The Ipl tournament was weird and if this went just a tad bit differently such as boxer not stepping on a baneling bomb and knocking out lucky I think Ryung might have won considering he 3-1ed stephano. But yea the Koreans still dominated the top of the bracket just with a foreign winner not really the biggest of deals.
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vVvPastry
United States244 Posts
The Koreans at IEM were mid tier. The Ipl tournament was weird and if this went just a tad bit differently such as boxer not stepping on a baneling bomb and knocking out lucky I think Ryung might have won considering he 3-1ed stephano. But yea the Koreans still dominated the top of the bracket just with a foreign winner not really the biggest of deals. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
What is important to keep in perspective is that, "the best Korean," is a very selective group. I think most people's lists would only run like 8 names deep, maybe a little more. And if you're within reach of those players and able to takes games off of them, even if not series, that is certainly saying something. | ||
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Dakota69
United States51 Posts
On October 11 2011 14:54 theBALLS wrote: Foreigners have the soul, koreans have the regiment. You may be special, but you're not going to be consistently dominant over someone who trains 10x as hard as you. Until foreigners are able to adhere to a regime akin to that of the koreans, the skill game will always be there. This guy said it, that's why foreigners who go and train in Korea are the ones that are able to keep up. It's not like Koreans are genetically better....well, not THAT much genetically better ^^ | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
Stephanos results were surprising but not trend changing. | ||
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
You have foreigner every now and then that can do well, but to no real consistently. Koreans still dominate the upper tiers of foreign tournaments. Only other foreigners were Idra and Ret in the top 8 at IPL3. | ||
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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barkles
United States285 Posts
(2) There are always statistical outliers in every large enough sample size (meaning that if koreans play foreigners enough, the foreigners are bound to win sometimes). Since the time of Moon's famous "Koreans own white dudes" saying, there have been precious few victories for non-Korean trained (read: not HuK or Jinro, and maybe even IdrA) foreigners in events which mid- to top-level Koreans have participated. | ||
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jyisvip
Canada209 Posts
On October 12 2011 11:45 MadNeSs wrote: Well stephano shoved something else. He might be the best zerg on the world. And I am certain he would rape Nestea, in a ZvZ any day of the week. And he probably has a good chance against MVP (Who I consider the best korean in the world) to beat him. But hopefully we will see that some day. Really? NesTea? The guy with 92% win rate in zvz? | ||
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
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legendre20
United States316 Posts
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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Greggle
United States1131 Posts
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Protocon
United States255 Posts
Think about it this way; if you place foreigners through the gsl system, qualifiers and all, not very many would make it far. | ||
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
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Keone
United States812 Posts
I'm definitely not taking anything away from Stephano but at the same time, one foreigner in one tournament in a Lucky draw is not going to change much for me. | ||
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BreakfastTea
United States184 Posts
On October 12 2011 11:45 MadNeSs wrote: Well stephano shoved something else. He might be the best zerg on the world. And I am certain he would rape Nestea, in a ZvZ any day of the week. And he probably has a good chance against MVP (Who I consider the best korean in the world) to beat him. But hopefully we will see that some day. So, stephano won one tournament where he played mid-tier Korean pros and we're all supposed to suddenly crown him the best zerg on earth? Ease off the gas, friend, you've been sipping too much kool-aid. | ||
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HappyChris
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We do actually see it all the time recently. MaNa beating puma both online and offline. Idra beating puma and revival. Dimaga completly destroying JYP that got one of korea´s best PvZ atm. Socke beating killer quite easy in a pvp at IEM. Tod beating slayersAlicia 2 times at an MLG PvP. Mirror matches comes down to micro and mechanics so when some of best protoss can beat some of the best korean protoss in a mirror match it says alot. Ret beating Alive etc the list goes on and on Thorzain in Dreamhack valancia and GSTL. And ofc Stephano´s complet domination in all matchup in IPL vs all those koreans qualifier and the live final. It wasnt even close You have to be really single minded if you cant see a trend here. Our best foreigners can beat and compete with the best korea have to offer im so sure. And we got more to come. Alot of talant is finally comming out from the foreigners scene atm. Just wait until Nerchio and MaNa go into beast mode | ||
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BreakfastTea
United States184 Posts
On October 12 2011 14:17 HappyChris wrote: Our best foreigners can beat and compete with the best korea has to offer im quite sure about that. We do actually see it all the time recently. MaNa beating puma both online and offline. Idra beating puma and revival. Dimaga completly destroying JYP that got one of korea´s best PvZ atm. Socke beating killer quite easy in a pvp at IEM. Tod beating slayersAlicia 2 times at an MLG PvP. Mirror matches comes down to micro and mechanics so when some of best protoss can beat some of the best korean protoss in a mirror match it says alot. Ret beating Alive etc the list goes on and on Thorzain in Dreamhack valancia and GSTL. And ofc Stephano´s complet domination in all matchup in IPL vs all those koreans qualifier and the live final. It wasnt even close You have to be really single minded if you cant see a trend here. Our best foreigners can beat and compete with the best korea have to offer im so sure. And we got more to come. Alot of talant is finally comming out from the foreigners scene atm. Just wait until Nerchio and MaNa go into beast mode Except I would add that foreigner's are continually beating the same Koreans or Koreans are who are only mid-tier. And this is to be expected, due to familiarity in the first case and simple statistic probability due to increased interaction in the second. Also, when big names have lost, it's a game, or a single series. We aren't seeing anything close to consistent performance. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be optimistic, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. | ||
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