EPTDid the final MLG Anaheim matches being Korean vs Korean a…
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Kalent
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13JackaL
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Edit: I am terribly sick of TvT now, and not just because of MLG but because of the massive switch from every terran player to a mech style -_______- | ||
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dignity
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It was slightly discouraging having so many tvts in the end though. Only slightly. | ||
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redFF
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blade55555
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p4NDemik
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On August 02 2011 13:13 red4ce wrote: Quite disgusting how many people tuned out even when Boxer was still in the tournament. How is it disgusting? I'm a huge BoxeR fan but its not some mortal sin to decide you have more interest in some other activity. MLG put on a great tournament and they got the numbers to prove that people enjoyed it, but every viewer doesn't have an obligation to watch every match, even if BoxeR is involved. Maybe its a shame more people don't fully appreciate BoxeR, but it isn't a crime. | ||
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maareek
United States2042 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
edit: on second thought, nasl might be big enough to get a top 16 korean bracket. that would be upsetting. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
I love TvT but hopefully we see Korea send more P/Z for variety in the future. | ||
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EliteReplay
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Al Bundy
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I ended up watching only a handful of games, mostly Kr vs. Kr and I enjoyed the finals (I have to admit that I'm a fan of MVP) | ||
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Noobivore36
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Sayer
United States403 Posts
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AirbladeOrange
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Jampackedeon
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Corvette
United States433 Posts
I know how sarcastic this comes off, but really I mean it. I read so many threads where the polls are like: Which is better: X or Y? Vote-The magnificent X Vote-The terrible Y And then the results are meaningless So, once again, thank you :D | ||
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Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
On August 02 2011 13:55 Corvette wrote: I like how unbiased the polls made by TL are I know how sarcastic this comes off, but really I mean it. I read so many threads where the polls are like: Which is better: X or Y? Vote-The magnificent X Vote-The terrible Y And then the results are meaningless So, once again, thank you :D Agreed the poll is a bit biased, suggesting that you enjoyed the finals one way or another. I honestly couldn't bring myself to watch it. | ||
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EclipZe
United States39 Posts
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deroth
United States83 Posts
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Misanthrope
United States924 Posts
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Whole
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
I just hope foreigners can do better. It would be sad if a foreigner never won an MLG again. | ||
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mtvacuum
United States979 Posts
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:11 mtvacuum wrote: Having only Koreans left made me even more interested. I could care less about foreigners, honestly, why would people rather watch a foreigner match over something like MVP vs DongRaeGu or MMA vs. DongRaeGu. The top Brood War scene hasn't had any foreigners for years and it's been the most entertaining e-sport ever for me. Exactly. At this point foreigners are the ones that make shit boring when they luck through. The top players hail from Korea and they are the matches to watch. | ||
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seiferoth10
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
On August 02 2011 12:39 Kiyo. wrote: It affected my interest in that it made me more interested. This. Oddly worded poll options imo. The tvts were really good, I don't see how anyone could've not enjoyed those. They weren't slow or boring at all as is the stereotype. Those games were so clutch, it was awesome. But yeah I'd rather watch koreans who crush top foreigners play than the foreigners who get crushed. | ||
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JulsFoF
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
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lazydino
Canada331 Posts
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
No wait, because the streams focused on the Top half of the championship bracket, we ended up seeing the SAME players play all day, even though 90% of the players were playing cool games off stream. so by the end i was really tired of those players... I barely saw any of some players, even though they played good games. idk whatever. it was mostly the fact that it was TvTs for me.  | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
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WR4TH
United States72 Posts
Toss Buff and a Blue Flame Nerf may be in order. | ||
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annYeong(o11)
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implicit
United States12 Posts
Not to Terran, to Korean. Tvt's were blehhhhhhhhhhh, but def still watchable | ||
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Dulak
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TheTurk
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
The story of mlg this time was how well boxer did, I was quite happy to see him top the group and finally get third, especially after he was written off by so many people. My internet speed limit was the main thing that annoyed me the most this weekend  | ||
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AngryPanda
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Ydriel
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HEROwithNOlegacy
United States850 Posts
On August 02 2011 12:38 Kalent wrote: Best players is my vote. IDC about the nationality really. | ||
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vrok
Sweden2541 Posts
TvT usually affects my interest, but not when it concerns the absolute highest level of play. | ||
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Lorizean
Germany1330 Posts
As a Zerg player I obviously like matches involving my race most, but I also don't mind the other 3 MUs as long as it isn't 20 or so of the same MU in a row. TvT is actually my least favourite matchup at the moment, slow positioning battles are simply not as interesting to me as micro battles (there are ofc always exceptional games, but I'm talking about the large mass here). Also, with the current over-representation of Terran in tournaments I've probably seen way too much  | ||
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iba001
Australia156 Posts
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:39 lazydino wrote: Poll is kind of misleading >.> Yea, I was confused I don't care if the top players are Korean, they deserve to be with their dedication | ||
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Night.Star
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Nothing to do with nationality though. | ||
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Rybaia
Italy213 Posts
But to be honest watching that many TvT was boring even if it's probably my 3rd favourite match up after PvT and PvZ. | ||
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durron597
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Denia1
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Meta
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nakedsurfer
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AugustDreams
Australia127 Posts
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Sina92
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Websblob
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On August 02 2011 18:13 Sina92 wrote: terran vs terran kinda sucks. I guess u always see the best race most frequently anyways. To be honest it had more to do with the fact that there were like 4(?) Korean terrans. So it was more like the korean domination and not terran domination. If you invite Nestea, DRG, Losira and July i can almost guarantee a ZvZ final I thought it was a little annoying with all the koreans. I dont mind too much, but a HuK vs IdrA final would've been better. | ||
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hyperknight
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Miragee
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SmokeyNagata
United States111 Posts
I'm surprised people say that Koreans have no "storyline." | ||
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Geo.Rion
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I'm definetly affected by it in a negative way | ||
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Phisk
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The organizers obviously can't control who goes to the finals, but inviting so many high level korean Terrans (most of them former champions) and only 1-2 mid level Zergs and Protoss (mostly code A and no code players) was pretty bad. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
1 - it being on the west coast meant it was hugely late already 2 - all protoss out by that stage and just the one zerg left 3 - while tvt is the most watchable mirror, it's still a mirror 4 - i don't care about these players apart from boxer and to a lesser extent mvp for his stars connections, as i don't watch gsl | ||
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BrahCJ
Australia659 Posts
I simply fear for "foreigner" pros, because the Koreans coming here makes it harder for them to put food on the table, which takes away the legitimacy for those people in NA considering the possibility of making pro gaming their career. TvT was an issue too, albeit smaller. I really enjoyed watching DRG, however even if he made it to the final, the pain would have only been dulled a little. | ||
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Evilmystic
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Cpadolf
Sweden1199 Posts
Boxers series had me glued to the screen though. | ||
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LittLeD
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This, This, This and nothing but THIS! | ||
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DiaBoLuS
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ItsMeDomLee
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Yiep
Sweden1 Post
On August 02 2011 15:55 AngryPanda wrote: After watching Boxer's hour long TvT match and DRG lose. I just was so sick of watching T's open with the same if not exact BO for to many games in a row. Then realizing that it was all T games after DRG lost i just turned it off. This. Also turned it off at that point. Tuned back in a bit later, but siege lines everywhere and turned it off again. Had nothing to do with the Koreans, only to do with their choice of race TvT is IMO the most boring matchup in all of starcraft. ZvZ is sooooo intense and quite the opposite of TvT and PvP evolved to something more macroish since the warp gate nerf. (also - first post on TL, woop woop!) | ||
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UnholyRai
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The problem is we see korean vs korean every week on gsl. we love the drama of forgeiners taking on the korean overlords. also, so many t v ts did not help things. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
i love tvt so as you can imagine mlg was totally okay with me | ||
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Dutchmv
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TVUmK
United States91 Posts
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
All-in-all it has started to seem like there's clear cap between koreans and foreign. I'd be happy to cheer for foreigners here, since there already is the real championship in Korea (GSL). I don't think it's weird to have part of own interest in seeing "someone else" winning for a change. Slowly starting to agree on why NASL tried to keep koreans down in the first place - it might sometimes eat the interest a bit when it turns out there's nobody who has chance against koreans who turn up. I guess bigger problem was that we didn't see almost any foreigners on sunday. I'd have wished to see idra v nani and similar sets from red stream, but of course tight schedule doesn't really allow all good to be shown. I hope bomber/mvp will be the only invited terrans for raleigh Likelihood for koreans continueing to smash faces is high, so would be nice to try to balance the top players' races by inviting best of protoss/zergs in future too. DRG was great invite this time though. | ||
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Arlenius
United Kingdom49 Posts
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
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Faggatron
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Razakel
Ireland466 Posts
I realise this time might have been a bit different, since MMA had to be invited back to defend his title as reigning champion, but next time I'd really like to see 2 Protoss, one Zerg and one Terran (obviously MVP since he won). Or something like that, anything but three Terrans, even as a Terran player it gets hard to watch TvT after a while. So far at least one the Korean invitees has won an MLG (MMA @ Columbus and MVP @ Anaheim). So inviting three Korean Terrans massively stacks the odds that a Terran will win in the end. Great tournament and I look forward to the next MLG | ||
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Big_Pete1999
United States22 Posts
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SecondSandwich
United States319 Posts
TL;DR: Didn't lose interest in the game play, but a little disappointed at the loss of the foreigner-underdog storyline. | ||
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Monzterg
Sweden257 Posts
Even if that doesnt mean that they like to watch one race exclusivly, it does mean that they only get "hyped" if the race they like to watch is represented. So in my opinion its very understandable that about 2/3 of the people watching lose interest once their race is not represented any longer in the top 6. Even a mirror finals can turn alot of people away at times unless there are some interesting personalities clashing. As for the nationalities I don't think it matters that much but I understand if some people have trouble geting the same connection to personalities that doesnt speak their language. They simply cant make the same impression as easilly (not to say its impossible, there definitly are some koreans that have huge fanbases due to their personality outside of korea.). Gogo White-Ra!! | ||
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TzTz
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Pred8oar
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Synwave
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Art_of_Kill
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i chose "No, but so many TvTs did ", since TvT's are boring to watch, was pretty interesting to see GSL finals with a zvz, since i never saw zvz before | ||
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sVnteen
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Marou
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L0thar
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On August 02 2011 22:44 TzTz wrote: It did affect it in a positive way... This. I have stronger ties to Korean scene, especially the ex BW progamers, and I want to watch the highest level of play possible. So the more Koreans, the better for me. I also find SC2 TvT one of the best SC2 matchups, especially on such high level. MLG final games were a treat for me, perfect end to a great event. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
There were some good games with foreigners. Kiwi vs Moonan was really enjoyable. White-ra vs Select was good fun as well. But nothing compares to MMA vs Boxer, Boxer vs Rain, MVP vs DRG, MVP vs Ganzi and any Korean vs Z matchup (except the ones that ended with the elevator). Put it this way, an MC vs Puma will not happen in the foreign scene for quite some time. Even Thorzain vs Naniwa will not produce that kind of play. (Certainly not TLO vs Incontrol) | ||
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valaki
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adalcim
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aristarchus
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Snettik
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Kooun
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
So I voted "Yes, very much", although I still enjoyed the matches. | ||
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Ryka
United Kingdom254 Posts
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Retgery
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refmac_cys.cys
United States177 Posts
The problem I had wasn't so much the korean top six, but the fact that some of my favorite players, (HuK, Ret, Nani) who I think could have competed with the Koreans a bit, didn't get a chance to show better games. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
Foreigner fanboy for life | ||
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andis35
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
If it was BoxeR vs. MVP it would still be a bunch of korean terrans going at it, but it would undoubtedly be more exciting because everyone knows BoxeR's amazing story. Mirror matches in SC2 aren't as exciting as non-mirror matches, but the nationality of the players doesn't matter nearly as much as their lack of fan appeal. MLG needs to figure out ways to hype their players up more, perhaps make a short video about the Korean invites(the GSL could help out), hyping them up and delivering a storyline. I'd even go as far as to create a hype video for every championship pool participant. | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
There's no option for both. | ||
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cronican
Canada424 Posts
1) Rooting for the underdog Top Koreans are considered to be the favorites in everything they enter. If anyone else, even a lower teir Korean (Boxer), makes a run at the title it's instantly more exciting. I'll cite Thorzain in the TSL3 as an example. Nothing new. 2) Accessiblity of content from Korean Players How often do we see interviews or other content from these players? There have been a few that have made a good effort and now have a big fanbase in the foreigner scene (MC, Cella). Nevertheless there is undeniably a huge disparity between what we know about Korean players and Foreign players. This has little to do with where the person is from, it simply means that the players that publish more content, conduct more interviews, do podcasts, stream etc. Will inevitably have more people caring about how they do. Sadly, for Koreans, getting this content out is much more difficult due to the language barrier. | ||
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Shebuha
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EndOfTime88
Austria259 Posts
I enjoy watching the GSL/GSTL for the skill and competition, but look forward to foreigner events to watch foreigners duke it out. I can only hope that the more Koreans we have attend foreigner events that the skill gap between the two can shrink. | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
XD | ||
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hellraiser1110
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NASAmoose
United States231 Posts
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Doof
United States204 Posts
Koreans are so OP. | ||
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SpaceJam
United States116 Posts
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blackwolf
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DailYLeet
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figq
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Hikari
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I wish other mirror matchups can be as exciting: at least nestea showed us some "new builds" in GSL finals that deviates from the normal "roach spam timing". However, watching the same matchup (TvT) over and over and over again can be a little bit repetitive: especially for those whose main race is not Terran. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
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Skydancer
Italy249 Posts
Almost only TvT really sucks! | ||
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L3g3nd_
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On August 03 2011 03:40 L3g3nd_ wrote: i turned the stream off after huk and naniwa got knocked out. i dont want to watch TvT, its boring. the boxer v rain match was really boring too, i dont know why people were raving about that game, it was just 2 terrans turtling forever Would you have watched the finals if they were Jinro vs. BoxeR? | ||
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Titusmaster6
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Pengu
England226 Posts
) While I like korean play I must admit the language barriers I don't enjoy, the interviews all seem the same almost structured approach with mostly the same format. Well apart from what boxer said before going against MMA. I think the KvK is actually sometimes dull, the background story can almost be removed since often there isn't one. Where as foreigner vs korean there is always massive amounts of stuff going on and huge amounts of hype, Idra vs MC last MLG, could not ask for a better show. I think its also partly me as I don't follow that much GSL only watch a little bit now and again. So players like DRG (who people seem to over hype by coming out and saying he is going to win and all the blah blah blah, needless to say I am like who the fuck is that :S :S :S :S Is he in code S, No, is he in Code A, no :S How the hell would I know him :S (not 100% what code he is in, but you get my drift) Overall as long as there is a limited number of koreans it is a good thing 1 Per group is perfect in my eyes ( maybe also bring some underrated crap ones just one MLG for old times pre korean sake. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Couldn't care less if MvP or MMA would have won the final :p. Watching the best players is great but giving all foreign prizemoney to koreans will just make the foreign Scene fall more and more behind | ||
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Mithriel
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CeriseCherries
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TORTOISE
United States515 Posts
Does it matter if the players are from the Ukraine, Sweden, Korea, USA, Canada or fucking New Guinea for that matter? NOOOOOOOOOOO! IT DOESNT MATTER FOR SHIT. edit: And if you think TvT is boring, then just admit to yourself that Starcraft probably isn't for you. It's not for everyone. Games take a while to start up and the first action is often the last action. Thus is the nature of the game. If one isn't tuned in to the subtleties of the players builds, a SC game could be seen as a long waiting game. | ||
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Nowis0n
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Canucklehead
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darlhet
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Pandemona
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On August 02 2011 13:24 p4NDemik wrote: I stopped watching after BoxeR lost. After that I wasn't too interested in which player won and went to watch Curb and Entourage. After the Liquid guys+ Boxer was out of it I didn't watch the rest, but I also had to drive home that night (Newcastle to Boro) so it did have an impact on me going earlier rather than later. | ||
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Surrealz
United States449 Posts
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mythandier
United States828 Posts
I was cheering on The Emporer and then MMA "#1 plz" afterward. | ||
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noemercy
United States71 Posts
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Dakota69
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Calgary25980 Posts
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Fr33t
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Chill
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Clog
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GoToVillage
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chrissummers
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On August 03 2011 07:23 GoToVillage wrote: For sure i am less interested in mlg now then i was,back when naniwa or huk won it.Dunno call me stupid but this was at least for me the "foreigner" tournament...a way to see the best europeans and americans fighting for the big prize.the glory etc. Now that koreans were added to the mix all you see is koreans won,korean,second place,third place and YAY highest place for a foreigner was huk's 7'th place.If i wanted to see koreans owning i would watch The GSL. For me it is just the other way round: I would not care at all who wins it, if there were no koreans. Who wants to see cruncher oder slush top5? You know something is going wrong when this happens -.- | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
edit: FWIW, Dongreagu vs MMA was crazy, and from a purely gameplay perspective much more interesting than the foreigner vs foreigner games. | ||
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Presidenten
Sweden777 Posts
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
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HaRuHi
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Boxer ofcourse is awesome, and MC I can relate to, even Puma I could cheer for. MMA and MVP didn't leave a lasting impression on me - hope they return more often so I remember them better. It's just that they are new and got the language barrier in interviews, but a Yellow/Boxer/July/Nal_Ra tourney would be just as emotional for me as a White-Ra/Goody/Idra/Naniwa tourney. For me, there should just be done more to show the players distinct personality, espacially the koreans who often seem more shy and arn't as dividing in love or hate. Voted for best players. | ||
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Broncode
United States5 Posts
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Darclite
United States1021 Posts
I also like Boxer and MMA (and MC and Losira to some extent) because I have gotten to know them a bit more. I think I feel the same way as a lot of people. I don't want to see the Koreans fail, I want to see the foreigners that I know more about and have grown fond of do better. I don't get mad that a Korean won, I get mad that none of my favorite players won. I voted for the TvT thing. So many tanks and vikings, damn... | ||
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Stiver
Canada285 Posts
It wasn't the fact they were all Terrans, and have nothing but TvTs. It was the fact they were all Koreans playing nothing but TvTs. If you looked at the brackets, you would have known immediately who was going to win it in the round of 4. | ||
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moltenlead
Canada866 Posts
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UniversalMind
United States326 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
So basically, I was disappointed in what happened, but I'm not upset that the Koreans took over MLG. They are the best and they deserved it. Great win by MVP and a fun tourney to watch. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
I want to watch the best of the best, or cheer for who I feel like cheering for. Sub-par games by foreigner stompers against each other didn't seem interesting. I'm not "upset" they won. I'm sure they deserved it. Just stopped caring about who was winning. | ||
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MisterB_66
United States4 Posts
Having EVO at the same time certainly didn't help out MLG. I cannot stand Marvel, but you have to admit that was amazing play to reset the finals. | ||
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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
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MagmaRam
United States395 Posts
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switch-
Canada15 Posts
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silentrealm
United States40 Posts
Instead, we were shown Korean Terrans defeating everyone else....repeatedly. They are some of the best in the world, but when the last zerg (DRG) lost, I refused to watch another blue flame hellion battle. | ||
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Nosey
United States4 Posts
Personally, I also don't dig most Korean styles. Yes, if it's Korean SC or another One Tree Hill rerun, the choice is easy. But they're just not entertaining in the same way that nearly every NA/Eur player is for me. Edit::: But it does add to the experience to have the players I root for facing such adversity. When *fingers cross* some of them get the practice time in to finally legitimatize the foreign scene, it'll make it all the sweeter. | ||
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Akash1223
United States91 Posts
I can understand the people saying that they want to see foreigners win because they know them better///they are their favorite players. It makes sense to lose interest when your favorite player(s) are knocked out. But what I don't understand is the people who don't want to see Korean's in the tournaments at all. Where's the excitement in a 2nd rate event? If the county I was rooting for in the World Cup got knocked out in the early rounds; I'd be less interested than if they were still alive. However, I'd never wish that in the next tournament the top countries that always do well would be banned from the tournament so everyone else would have a better chance. | ||
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Lamphead
Canada241 Posts
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theprince013
United States12 Posts
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United States1834 Posts
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
I want to see players I know fight it out in the tournament. Instead their matches don't even matter because 6 absolutely random koreans are getting in and claim the top 6 spots. I'm not the kind of person that just blindly hangs on to whoever is Nr 1 in the GSL this month, or whoever Artosis thinks is good. And I want to watch the players I personally support, not some random Koreans. | ||
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
On August 03 2011 15:49 Jinsho wrote: Yes, I was actually. I didn't watch them. I want to see players I know fight it out in the tournament. Instead their matches don't even matter because 6 absolutely random koreans are getting in and claim the top 6 spots. I'm not the kind of person that just blindly hangs on to whoever is Nr 1 in the GSL this month, or whoever Artosis thinks is good. And I want to watch the players I personally support, not some random Koreans. Well, what are your standards? A GSL victory isn't enough? Just because YOU like them or YOU follow them doesn't give them a place above anyone else. Unlike you, many people follow, love, and support these Koreans as much or more than any foreign players. I'm sorry you don't personally follow these amazing players, but guess what, getting the BEST NOTABLE AND AVAILABLE Koreans to play is awesome. We get to see the top players in the world come play. If you think MVP, DRG, and BoxeR are random, maybe you should educate yourself. EDIT: Last line seemed harsh. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
I went from 6 am thru 8pm without a single food or drink item because I would have lost my seat, so i was def rooting for MVP to win the last 2 games so i wouldnt have to wait for a 2nd Bo3 for food. other than that- i go to see the best games possible live. and TvT is the only mirror match worth watching imo. I dont give a damn what nationality they are. I want to see the best vs the best, period. If they are all Korean, its cause the foreigners arent practising/playing hard enough. It is that simple IN MY OPINION. | ||
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Felo
Germany392 Posts
I was following BoxeR because he's one of my favorites (So many childhood memories) but then went to bed after I realized that there were only terrans left ^^ Its still more entertaining to watch players you know (I rooted for HuK) but I can also enjoy genius play, no matter who's controlling it. | ||
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Poisonblack
452 Posts
I can't wait to see more top tier Koreans play outside of GSL, their play is so sick. | ||
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Canada198 Posts
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JustAGame
Germany161 Posts
Its not even about koreans (last DRG series was very sloppy and i didnt like it), but most of the foreigners are just not good enough to compete on this level, making their games way less entertaining. | ||
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ReKoIL
United States7 Posts
I enjoy watching the Koreans play. They are the best in the world and have now shown it at MLG twice. They deserve to be there. But the TvT got old. And actually TvZ got old. Here comes blue flame hellions. Zerg loses 40something drones... game over. | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On August 02 2011 12:48 ShadowDrgn wrote: I play Terran and didn't even watch the finals because I was sick of TvT. Watching Boxer is cool, but I couldn't care less about MVP or MMA. I'd strongly prefer seeing more non-Korean players in the late stages of tournaments because I know them better -- the Koreans are, for the most part, just faceless names to me. However, it's up to the players themselves to earn those spots and not the tournament organizers' responsibility to enforce some kind of starcraft affirmative action. How the hell can MMA or MVP be faceless names to you? Was Anaheim the first tournament you EVER watched? | ||
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Japan1333 Posts
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
When the foreigners fell out of the running, my interest just wasn't the same. | ||
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Ullis
Sweden163 Posts
This makes them easier to develop a "relationship" with and by "relationship" I don't mean that I keep secret pictures of them but more that I get a feeling for who they are as persons which in turns makes it easier to route for them. And in regards to some other poster above yes even though I've seen the big korean names play plenty of times, it's still hard to connect with them because partly the language barrier and also they don't expose themselves in the same manner as foreigners. Also - TvTs.After Boxer vs Rain series I felt I had watched it all so when DRG got eliminated, so did my interest. | ||
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Canada1177 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Also, I always have a hard time being interested in the finals of a double elim tournament where things are SO HEAVILY slanted towards the winner bracket player. I get that they deserve an advantage, but it still bugs me how far behind the other player is - need to win a BO3 just to play another BO3 D  Or is it win a bo3 so it can turn into an extended bo7? I kinda liked Homestory cup's BO7 with a 1-0 advantage to the winners bracket player. It's my only beef with double-elim tournaments - the finals always feel awkward. | ||
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United States76 Posts
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theprince013
United States12 Posts
On August 03 2011 03:59 TORTOISE wrote: What the fuck does Nationality matter? This whole topic/question seems racist IMHO. This topic is resurrected at every major tourney involving Koreans. Does it matter if the players are from the Ukraine, Sweden, Korea, USA, Canada or fucking New Guinea for that matter? NOOOOOOOOOOO! IT DOESNT MATTER FOR SHIT. edit: And if you think TvT is boring, then just admit to yourself that Starcraft probably isn't for you. It's not for everyone. Games take a while to start up and the first action is often the last action. Thus is the nature of the game. If one isn't tuned in to the subtleties of the players builds, a SC game could be seen as a long waiting game. I agree with every word of this post. EVERY WORD. | ||
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United States1497 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
People calling it "racist" blow my mind. | ||
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Greece127 Posts
There are no pro-gamers from my country and I dont concider europe as my "country" or however you wanna call that. I dont support europe players more than US or whatever but im way less interested in KR players. I dont know if its either that they re way too good to put in a competition vs foreigners and I feel like rooting for the underdog or the fact that the language barrier is big and I dont know much about them other than they are great players. Yes they give good games of sc2 , probably the best out there but in a 3 day event especially when its aired at those hours (for me personally important games were 4-8 am) I need something more than good games. Id rather watch foreigners play simply because I can connect to them easily. I can watch their streams , I can hear them talk in shows etc I can love them or I can hate them and this creates interest. Listening to some guy talk through a translator once a tournament is not the same thing and GSL seems way too distant for me. I mean the winner , IMMvP , I dont think I saw him once in the whole tournament giving some emotion or even talking. This is why the only korean I love to watch during major tournaments is MC simply because he at least makes an effort to connect with his fans. Went until DRG games just to see how hes gonna deal with the new age hellion tactics , then realised it was all going to be 3-4 TvTs in a row at 6 am+ so I closed the stream. Didnt really matter to me who won , maybe if BoxeR could do it I would be happier but other than that didnt care. | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6172 Posts
I mean, I really like TvT and i think its the best mirror matchup.. but for god shake, give us some P or Z T__T | ||
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mholden02
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When the top 6 were ALL Koreans, sure i enjoyed the matches, but my interest level dropped significantly. When the team you root for in Basketball, or Hockey, or Football gets knocked out, even if you love the sport, you've lost your personal connection. Had Idra, or Huk, or a WhiteRa, or some nonKorean been there to represent Foreign hope, it would have added another dimension to the tournament. It really missed that. And there were to many TvT's. I like Terran, but too much of anything and you get tired of it. Whom ever decides which Koreans to invite, please, invite a good mix. Boxer, MVP, MMA - too many of the same race. We should be honored that the Koreans came all the way over here to play. Are you ****ing serious? We should be honored that they grace us with their presence? No, they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament. Seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans. They're people who play video games better than us currently, largely because they've been doing it seriously far longer than we have. Thats it. Thats all. | ||
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Tesla12
Serbia71 Posts
Thanks for day9 and husky they keep it alive | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
But that was because: it was 3 am it would have been only TvT Seriously, TvT is the best mirror, but it's so slow, and game after game after game, after a whole day watching starcraft, it can get to you. I would have liked a bigger variety of matchups honestly. | ||
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4rChon
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Maybe I was over-thinking it at the time, it was around 5am. Only the fact that it was a bunch of TvTs was what bothered me. I would've liked to see some variety, although I did see innovation. | ||
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United States78 Posts
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Railin
Canada96 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:00 Misanthrope wrote: IDC if they're korean or not, I care if they're zerg or not. ^ Totally my thoughts ... may the best players prevail, but I was sick of that much TvT. And upset that there was no zerg in the finals On August 04 2011 10:18 Svennedude wrote: . terran requires the most skill but still... you meant least, right ... there wouldn't be more terrans in GSL than both other races COMBINED if terran was the hardest one to play ... | ||
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nukeazerg
United States168 Posts
Moment for me. it is crazy how much they cater to them by providing a translator and plane tickets. | ||
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Teriyaki-Boy
United States26 Posts
We should be honored that the Koreans came all the way over here to play. Are you ****ing serious? We should be honored that they grace us with their presence? No, they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament. Seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans. They're people who play video games better than us currently, largely because they've been doing it seriously far longer than we have. Thats it. Thats all.[/QUOTE] You must lived under a rock or just a new comer to the starcraft comunity but the reason why people idolized "Boxer" is because he played a major role in making Esport into what it is today. So plz stfu if you dont know what F you talking about. Am sorry your favorite player didn't make it through maybe less QQing and more training. | ||
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DoubleRobo
United States7 Posts
On August 04 2011 11:07 nukeazerg wrote: I don't care what race or country they are from as long as they speak English. Translators ruin the Moment for me. it is crazy how much they cater to them by providing a translator and plane tickets. I don't agree with this at all, no player should ever feel like they have to learn a country's language to compete there. That's a ludicrous requirement. Should players learn every European language too? | ||
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GinDo
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Once you get a taste of the good stuff you never want to go back. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On August 04 2011 07:57 mholden02 wrote: YES. Korean vs Korean may very well bring the highest quality play, but I lost the emotional investment I had in a tourny like MLG-Columbus where EVERY match I was emotionally pumped to watch. When the top 6 were ALL Koreans, sure i enjoyed the matches, but my interest level dropped significantly. When the team you root for in Basketball, or Hockey, or Football gets knocked out, even if you love the sport, you've lost your personal connection. Had Idra, or Huk, or a WhiteRa, or some nonKorean been there to represent Foreign hope, it would have added another dimension to the tournament. It really missed that. And there were to many TvT's. I like Terran, but too much of anything and you get tired of it. Whom ever decides which Koreans to invite, please, invite a good mix. Boxer, MVP, MMA - too many of the same race. Are you ****ing serious? We should be honored that they grace us with their presence? No, they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament. Seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans. They're people who play video games better than us currently, largely because they've been doing it seriously far longer than we have. Thats it. Thats all. Yes, you should be honored that they grace us with their presence. Koreans played professional Starcraft for a decade and most fans never thought they would be able to see them on their home soil playing Starcraft live. We were there because we want to tell them that we appreciate what they do and what they've done. If I was an American soccer fan, would I be honored if the Brazilians came to US soil to play soccer? Hell yes I would be. For fucks sake, you even saw European basketball teams asking for autographs when Team USA went to play on their home turf. You don't like it that you're "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans"? On teamliquid? Seriously? And "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament." REALLY? Seriously, GTFO and take your opinions to a different community please. We don't want you here. This is teamliquid. We don't speak Korean. We don't speak English. We speak Starcraft you fucking asshole. I'm sorry, but I can't wait to see a different game come out so some of you xenophobic motherfuckers can stop posting here. You want to watch people you can "relate to"? It's called IPL. Go watch that. Here's the live event | ||
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montysaurus
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Greece127 Posts
On August 04 2011 13:04 PHC wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2011 07:57 mholden02 wrote: YES. Korean vs Korean may very well bring the highest quality play, but I lost the emotional investment I had in a tourny like MLG-Columbus where EVERY match I was emotionally pumped to watch. When the top 6 were ALL Koreans, sure i enjoyed the matches, but my interest level dropped significantly. When the team you root for in Basketball, or Hockey, or Football gets knocked out, even if you love the sport, you've lost your personal connection. Had Idra, or Huk, or a WhiteRa, or some nonKorean been there to represent Foreign hope, it would have added another dimension to the tournament. It really missed that. And there were to many TvT's. I like Terran, but too much of anything and you get tired of it. Whom ever decides which Koreans to invite, please, invite a good mix. Boxer, MVP, MMA - too many of the same race. Are you ****ing serious? We should be honored that they grace us with their presence? No, they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament. Seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans. They're people who play video games better than us currently, largely because they've been doing it seriously far longer than we have. Thats it. Thats all. Yes, you should be honored that they grace us with their presence. Koreans played professional Starcraft for a decade and most fans never thought they would be able to see them on their home soil playing Starcraft live. We were there because we want to tell them that we appreciate what they do and what they've done. If I was an American soccer fan, would I be honored if the Brazilians came to US soil to play soccer? Hell yes I would be. For fucks sake, you even saw European basketball teams asking for autographs when Team USA went to play on their home turf. You don't like it that you're "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans"? On teamliquid? Seriously? And "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament." REALLY? Seriously, GTFO and take your opinions to a different community please. We don't want you here. This is teamliquid. We don't speak Korean. We don't speak English. We speak Starcraft you fucking asshole. I'm sorry, but I can't wait to see a different game come out so some of you xenophobic motherfuckers can stop posting here. You want to watch people you can "relate to"? It's called IPL. Go watch that. Here's the live event You know this is really starting to get old. First of all you insult the guy who voiced his oppinion and in no way talked down on you or anyone and then you use "we" as in you represent the whole community. Well you dont , this isnt "your" community. You cant tell anyone to move to a different forum and you certainly have no fucking right to call people names cause you feel like it... Its nice to see deals being closed with koreans moving in foreigner tournaments , same with foreigners given a chance in GSL. I feel happy for the fact I can actually get to see them play. But feel HONORED that they GRACE us with their presence? Cmon , they re just some guys playing starcraft - very good starcraft - but still some guys playing starcraft. (edit) Take this example . I love watching basketball. The team I support , even though one of the best in europe , is no match even to a mediocre NBA team. I like to watch the NBA but its aired on weird times , 3 am ++ in my country , just like MLG . When the team i support plays , even if its an unimportant match and even if I have something to do (study, go out etc) , I wont miss it for the world. On the contrary , I miss most of the NBA matches because of lack of interest and weird time schedules. NBA still has higher quality basketball and is probably better to watch , but I wont cancel any plans to sit down and watch an NBA game between 2 teams I dont really care about...Point is , this is a dicussion , and people have different oppinions. While some like to watch koreans more than anything some dont feel interested in them. Why is that every time someone expresses that hell breaks loose? | ||
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Dreadski
United States27 Posts
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Therg
Sweden238 Posts
On August 04 2011 14:31 StutteR wrote: Honestly, i was just diisappointed that it was both KvK and TvT. How many KvK TvTs have we seen?! Agreed. Sure, the games were good, but I would've liked a bit more diversity. Even a FvK TvT would have made it slightly more interesting for me. | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
On August 04 2011 13:29 Slike wrote: You know this is really starting to get old. First of all you insult the guy who voiced his oppinion and in no way talked down on you or anyone and then you use "we" as in you represent the whole community. Well you dont , this isnt "your" community. You cant tell anyone to move to a different forum and you certainly have no fucking right to call people names cause you feel like it... Its nice to see deals being closed with koreans moving in foreigner tournaments , same with foreigners given a chance in GSL. I feel happy for the fact I can actually get to see them play. But feel HONORED that they GRACE us with their presence? Cmon , they re just some guys playing starcraft - very good starcraft - but still some guys playing starcraft. (edit) Take this example . I love watching basketball. The team I support , even though one of the best in europe , is no match even to a mediocre NBA team. I like to watch the NBA but its aired on weird times , 3 am ++ in my country , just like MLG . When the team i support plays , even if its an unimportant match and even if I have something to do (study, go out etc) , I wont miss it for the world. On the contrary , I miss most of the NBA matches because of lack of interest and weird time schedules. NBA still has higher quality basketball and is probably better to watch , but I wont cancel any plans to sit down and watch an NBA game between 2 teams I dont really care about...Point is , this is a dicussion , and people have different oppinions. While some like to watch koreans more than anything some dont feel interested in them. Why is that every time someone expresses that hell breaks loose? That's fair if you don't feel that way, but the "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" part is inexcusable. Don't even try to defend that arrogant tone of entitlement. He made a fucked up statement, I called him out on it. That's great you watch your local European basketball, and I get that analogy. But once you follow up and say "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Americans" in in a forum rich with history of American basketball, and say something along the lines of "Americans should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" don't expect people to let it slide. It's xenophobic and has an undertone of racism. | ||
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Trozz
Canada3454 Posts
Saw most, but missed the finals. Soooo much Terraning. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On August 04 2011 15:02 PHC wrote: That's fair if you don't feel that way, but the "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" part is inexcusable. Don't even try to defend that arrogant tone of entitlement. He made a fucked up statement, I called him out on it. That's great you watch your local European basketball, and I get that analogy. But once you follow up and say "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Americans" in in a forum rich with history of American basketball, and say something along the lines of "Americans should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" don't expect people to let it slide. It's xenophobic and has an undertone of racism. dude PHC... you were way out of line. Your post is unreadable due to tone etc and you come off ass a biggoted jerk. Everything you said has now been voided due to the fact that you are apparently a prick to people with differing opinions. Someday maybe you'll find that offering an opinion in a well thought out polite way will get you a lot farther in life. | ||
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mholden02
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On August 04 2011 15:02 PHC wrote: That's fair if you don't feel that way, but the "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" part is inexcusable. Don't even try to defend that arrogant tone of entitlement. He made a fucked up statement, I called him out on it. That's great you watch your local European basketball, and I get that analogy. But once you follow up and say "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Americans" in in a forum rich with history of American basketball, and say something along the lines of "Americans should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament" don't expect people to let it slide. It's xenophobic and has an undertone of racism. What are you talking about? xenophobic and racist? OK. Yes, they should feel honored MLG decided to open up their tournament and allow 4 Korean players directly into pool play without going through the open bracket like EVERYONE else. I don't see Europeans or Americas, or for that matter anyone else getting a deal like that. its a sweet deal. Seriously, GTFO and take your opinions to a different community please. We don't want you here. This is teamliquid. We don't speak Korean. We don't speak English. We speak Starcraft you fucking asshole. I'm sorry, but I can't wait to see a different game come out so some of you xenophobic motherfuckers can stop posting here. You want to watch people you can "relate to"? It's called IPL. Go watch that. Here's the live event My opinion is as valid as yours, but I don't react like a child. I don't idolize starcraft players, and the attitude that we should feel honored that Koreans grace us with their presence is a bit hard to swallow. Please spare me. Its like saying countries that host pro basketball tournaments should be honored the Americans come to their event. Thats ridiculous. The Korean involvement makes the tournament better no doubt, makes it more international, and a higher caliber play. But players like Thorzain - probably the best Terran outside Korea - doesn't bother coming cause he didn't get an all expenses paid trip to MLG Pool play. I would have really liked to see him - as would a lot of fans I'd bet. WhiteRa, a starcraft Legend in his own right, has to go through open bracket, what a bummer. Dimaga? Morrow? HasuObs? Kas? Many Europeans who have more fans in NA than the Koreans, and are certainly deserving - get no free pass. Yes, the Koreans should feel honored they get an all expense paid trip to MLG pool play that nobody else gets. Whats your argument, that their entitled to get preferential treatment over EVERYBODY else in the world? I'd like to see something in Europe that allowed worthy Euro players to get something similar to the Korean deal, and even an international online tournament to give the same opportunity to players from other countries like Sen, or Loner, or whoever. Lets make MLG a truly international event with the hope of getting ALL the best players from around the globe. But this idea that because Koreans are currently better than everyone else they're a higher class citizen or something, I don't get that. And don't give me the "You hate Koreans" Nonsense. They're great, just no better than anyone else. | ||
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Australia498 Posts
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Dectilon
Sweden50 Posts
On August 04 2011 19:16 Tosho wrote: Nationality doesn't matter, game play 100%. If we 'foreigners' can't match them then we don't deserve to be in the finals. This is true. I'm just sad this is the case | ||
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Ullis
Sweden163 Posts
On August 04 2011 20:22 FlameoN wrote: I watched the whole thing till the end and enjoyed it a lot. Cant believe people dont care who wins the tournament because of nationality/race. In my eyes its all about the best player nothing else. Well it's much like any other sport.. If your favorite soccer/basketball/ice hockey/whatever team gets knocked out you loose interest in who wins at the end, don't you(not you as in YOU, but in the general sense)? Or at least have a diminishing interest.. Just because someone preferes watching/cheering for a NA/EU player(s) and loose interest when said player(s) get knocked out doesn't mean they're racist and noone would be called a racist for cheering for their national team in any other competition, so why would they be racist for not cheering for koreans in e-sports? That's how I see it anyway. | ||
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FlameoN
Netherlands16 Posts
On August 04 2011 07:57 mholden02 wrote: YES. Korean vs Korean may very well bring the highest quality play, but I lost the emotional investment I had in a tourny like MLG-Columbus where EVERY match I was emotionally pumped to watch. When the top 6 were ALL Koreans, sure i enjoyed the matches, but my interest level dropped significantly. When the team you root for in Basketball, or Hockey, or Football gets knocked out, even if you love the sport, you've lost your personal connection. Had Idra, or Huk, or a WhiteRa, or some nonKorean been there to represent Foreign hope, it would have added another dimension to the tournament. It really missed that. And there were to many TvT's. I like Terran, but too much of anything and you get tired of it. Whom ever decides which Koreans to invite, please, invite a good mix. Boxer, MVP, MMA - too many of the same race. Are you ****ing serious? We should be honored that they grace us with their presence? No, they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament. Seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans. They're people who play video games better than us currently, largely because they've been doing it seriously far longer than we have. Thats it. Thats all. In my opinion your personal connection should be with the game not with any team/player/race/nationality. The game makes it all fun and the best players give us the show to enjoy. For me the fact that these players happen to be Korean/Terran dont matter at all. If they managed to reach the highest places in the tournament they deserved it. | ||
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FlameoN
Netherlands16 Posts
On August 04 2011 20:50 Ullis wrote: Well it's much like any other sport.. If your favorite soccer/basketball/ice hockey/whatever team gets knocked out you loose interest in who wins at the end, don't you(not you as in YOU, but in the general sense)? Or at least have a diminishing interest.. Just because someone preferes watching/cheering for a NA/EU player(s) and loose interest when said player(s) get knocked out doesn't mean they're racist and noone would be called a racist for cheering for their national team in any other competition, so why would they be racist for not cheering for koreans in e-sports? That's how I see it anyway. I enjoy watching high level play no matter who I root for. Im only interested in the competition not the nationality. Im not saying anyone is a racist but I find it hard to believe that people turn off the stream because there are only Koreans/Terrans left. Enjoying the tournament is to take it to the 1st place no matter what nationality/race. | ||
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
Anyways, I voted for "No, I just want to watch the best players". Skill is always more enjoyable than pure fandom. For example, in football I would be very sad after Sweden gets knocked out from the WC but then I would just root for "the best team in my opinion". You don't stop watching because the team/player that you rooted for lost. You continue to watch to see how the tournament unfolds, because you watch the tournament for the tournaments sake right? Not because of a certain player. But I can see that if your interest in that certain sport/ESPORTS isn't that big, then it is understandable when you stop watching. Because in your case, you watch it for the player. | ||
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R3N
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Ullis
Sweden163 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:29 XiGua wrote: What if the koreans were Jaedong, Flash, Bisu etc. Would people still get turned off by the lack of foreigners? Yes. On August 04 2011 21:29 XiGua wrote: Anyways, I voted for "No, I just want to watch the best players". Skill is always more enjoyable than pure fandom. For example, in football I would be very sad after Sweden gets knocked out from the WC but then I would just root for "the best team in my opinion". You don't stop watching because the team/player that you rooted for lost. You continue to watch to see how the tournament unfolds, because you watch the tournament for the tournaments sake right? Not because of a certain player. While I do see your point I dont neccessarily agree. If my team (in this case, also Sweden) would get knocked out of the WC I would probably stop watching it with my mates and maybe have it on in the background and have it as background noise instead. Because even though other teams might be better/more technical/whatever it still would not be the same. (maybe I'd cheer for whoever opposes whoever knocked my team out. )On August 04 2011 21:29 XiGua wrote: But I can see that if your interest in that certain sport/ESPORTS isn't that big, then it is understandable when you stop watching. Because in your case, you watch it for the player. I think this logic is rather lacking. I have a passion for e-sports and sc2 in general (in fact, at work atm and still caught up in e-sports). But the difference is for me, do I want to spend time watching someone play if I have no emotional investment? No, probably not. I will watch it if I was trying to pick up something from their play etc. but as it was it was a bunch of TvTs and players I had no "relation" to. While I can appreciate watching tourneys etc for pure skill vs skill it has to be something more to keep me up in the middle of the night watching SC2. And as for all sports, having a favorite team, player, what have you is just a natural part of the sport and it can add that little extra that makes one stay up at night to watch it etc. | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
On August 03 2011 15:49 Jinsho wrote: Yes, I was actually. I didn't watch them. I want to see players I know fight it out in the tournament. Instead their matches don't even matter because 6 absolutely random koreans are getting in and claim the top 6 spots. I'm not the kind of person that just blindly hangs on to whoever is Nr 1 in the GSL this month, or whoever Artosis thinks is good. And I want to watch the players I personally support, not some random Koreans. They aren't random Koreans. They are amongst the best in the world. However I do understand your problem with the MLG results. I find it much more fun to watch the foreigners succeed and support them because they are far more personable and interesting overall. The language barrier is one thing, but not enough of the Koreans make an effort to be a personality in the sport. There are few such as MC, but most are quiet and don't say much of anything. Yeah, they are really good, but no fun to support if there's no effort to be a personality in the game. I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but that's my particular reason for disliking the results. | ||
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PiRate647
Belgium187 Posts
# things get quite predictable # the black line of difference between ,say, a gsl supertournament and a big foreign event turns grey and eventually fades away. I mean if you lay the semi finals out to someone, he`ll probably think it`s a gsl and not MLG. # you`re only able to root for your favourite foreigner untill their next matchup is vs a korean player , that`s a really sad recurring theme ( Huk , Ret, Slush, Naniwa) . But hey, respectz to the better players, they won fair and square | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
It was almost 5AM before the finals started, and I decided to go to sleep when MMA beat Boxer in the semis. (Boxer obviously doesn't fit into 'Korean' category because he's the creator of the universe.) However, I could see myself staying up for 4-5 of my favourite foreigners. But for me it's not so much about Koreans not having 'a story', but rather admitting that they're dominant, so my favorite matches are Korea vs Foreigners, not Foreigner vs Foreigner. So once the Foreigners lost, there was no longer David vs Goliath, but a Goliath mirror match. | ||
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ToInfinity
Netherlands61 Posts
On August 04 2011 13:04 PHC wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2011 07:57 mholden02 wrote: YES. Korean vs Korean may very well bring the highest quality play, but I lost the emotional investment I had in a tourny like MLG-Columbus where EVERY match I was emotionally pumped to watch. When the top 6 were ALL Koreans, sure i enjoyed the matches, but my interest level dropped significantly. When the team you root for in Basketball, or Hockey, or Football gets knocked out, even if you love the sport, you've lost your personal connection. Had Idra, or Huk, or a WhiteRa, or some nonKorean been there to represent Foreign hope, it would have added another dimension to the tournament. It really missed that. And there were to many TvT's. I like Terran, but too much of anything and you get tired of it. Whom ever decides which Koreans to invite, please, invite a good mix. Boxer, MVP, MMA - too many of the same race. Are you ****ing serious? We should be honored that they grace us with their presence? No, they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament. Seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans. They're people who play video games better than us currently, largely because they've been doing it seriously far longer than we have. Thats it. Thats all. Yes, you should be honored that they grace us with their presence. Koreans played professional Starcraft for a decade and most fans never thought they would be able to see them on their home soil playing Starcraft live. We were there because we want to tell them that we appreciate what they do and what they've done. If I was an American soccer fan, would I be honored if the Brazilians came to US soil to play soccer? Hell yes I would be. For fucks sake, you even saw European basketball teams asking for autographs when Team USA went to play on their home turf. You don't like it that you're "seeing way too much of this idolizing of the Koreans"? On teamliquid? Seriously? And "they should be honored we allow them free spots in our tournament." REALLY? Seriously, GTFO and take your opinions to a different community please. We don't want you here. This is teamliquid. We don't speak Korean. We don't speak English. We speak Starcraft you fucking asshole. I'm sorry, but I can't wait to see a different game come out so some of you xenophobic motherfuckers can stop posting here. You want to watch people you can "relate to"? It's called IPL. Go watch that. Here's the live event you do realize the koreans are there there for the prize money and the code S spot right? not to grace us with their presence and I dont see how people are not allowed to lose (some) interest after their favorite player or players are out | ||
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PHC
United States472 Posts
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MattRz
Chile1680 Posts
But Boxer <3 | ||
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Eboceixa
Belgium60 Posts
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HPoirot
United States1303 Posts
1. TvT is only exciting in moderation. 2. I had very little emotional investment in the remaining players. 3. EVO. | ||
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
I want to say that I always want to see the best games possible and the best players, but it would be a lie to say that I'm not more excited when I see a Korean vs Foreigner match, it always add something. | ||
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Underkoffer
Netherlands53 Posts
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starstorm
64 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:29 XiGua wrote: What if the koreans were Jaedong, Flash, Bisu etc. Would people still get turned off by the lack of foreigners? The people who are interested in the BW competitive and the people are turned off by Korean domination in SC2 are two exclusive sets of people, I'm afraid. Personally, I have immensely more respect for most Korean players than any foreigner player with few exceptions. They're more skilled, harder working, more mannered and have a much smaller noise to results ratio. | ||
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Hazardous
United States4 Posts
I still enjoyed it, but heck it is what it is... I just believe I would have enjoyed a more spread-out race match in the top8. (voted too much TvT.) | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
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Belano
Sweden657 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
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firalol
United States51 Posts
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MrKn4rz
Germany2153 Posts
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backtrakker
Canada14 Posts
I think i speak for alot of people out there when I saw not being a terran player I didn´t necessarily learn from the tvt.and I´m sure that affected the other viewers aswell. but of course tehre is nothing you can do about that. mirror matches in general aren´t the best in my opinion although i find it funny pvp finals at homestory cup zvz finals at gsl august and tvt finals for mlg. either way I thougth the mlg finals were great although they could still learn alot anehiem. has this been the first tvt final for mlg???? | ||
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jarrydesque
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Tablespoon
Norway223 Posts
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grasmetik
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Jonas :)
United States511 Posts
On August 06 2011 01:34 grasmetik wrote: tvt is awesome, koreans are awesome, mlg was awesome This. The production value, casting and quality of the games make a tournament amazing. Who cares about the nationality of the players | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
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Larryx
Poland148 Posts
I'm pretty sure that koreans giggle about that MLG deal with GSL, they come here for free money -.- it was way better when no koreans were around  | ||
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RodYan
United States126 Posts
DRG and Alicia were the only non-Terrans; all non-Terran hope rested on them. Though to be fair, there are not too many non-Terrans in Code S these days either | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
"Yes, very much" | ||
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Alvalanker
United States253 Posts
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
I don't find that match up funny/exciting to watch at all. ZvZ is a nightmare to watch, cos it can go wrong in a second... pvp has blink/fast moving units... TvT has.. well.. nothing. A cloaked banshee = game won. If not, you gotta watch 1 hour long slow moving tanks vs. tanks. | ||
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Albrithe
Canada187 Posts
On August 06 2011 08:00 Alvalanker wrote: Sorry if I'm in the minority, but I want to see some good NA players get farther than 8th-7th place in this big tournaments. I feel the same way, but mostly because I like to watch the players I know do well, and I don't follow the Korean scene at all. When Day9 started ranting and raving about DRG, my first thoughts were "who the hell is DRG?" | ||
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xenoid
Canada41 Posts
On August 06 2011 03:10 Larryx wrote: naniwa vs idra not streamed, WTF! I'm pretty sure that koreans giggle about that MLG deal with GSL, they come here for free money -.- it was way better when no koreans were around Good news, MLG put VODs up and they actually put up naniwa vs idra today! http://tv.majorleaguegaming.com/videos/73363-clr6-naniwa-vs-idra-g1 I have to thank you because I went and looked after seeing your post =) BTW everyone should go watch this. Typical idra LOL | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
May the best players, regardless of nationality, make it to the finals, and may the best player win! | ||
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Sparkman
United States60 Posts
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
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Mirror0423
United States175 Posts
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Sablar
Sweden880 Posts
70% TvT, 30% my favorite players failing (and most of them aren't korean). | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9103 Posts
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ClutchSC
Canada34 Posts
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Da.Frozzy
76 Posts
lets hope there will be more korean z/p in about 2-3 months so wie can see some better games  i even stopped watching when drg was knocked out | ||
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Toshley
Australia6 Posts
Unless it features Boxer or the adorable MarineKing. | ||
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bellykiller
United States69 Posts
we are stuck watching those TvT's. Imagine watching ZvZ for 6 hours ? hahah that would defnietly suck ass even worse :D | ||
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Gumbos
Canada55 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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Cuh
United States403 Posts
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
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Demonhunter04
1530 Posts
On August 02 2011 14:09 MrMotionPicture wrote: There were great games! I just hope foreigners can do better. It would be sad if a foreigner never won an MLG again. I wonder if the race a person plays affects how much they enjoy certain matches? After all, you are terran, lol. I play random and I don't have a strong preference for any race, personally. The TvT got a bit repetitive, though. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Crissaegrim
2947 Posts
There's a reason why starcraft was released with 3 races. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Randomaccount#128098
United States411 Posts
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BlackTactiks
United States52 Posts
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DestroManiak
257 Posts
Did the final MLG Anaheim matches being Korean vs Korean affect your interest? you forgot to add "negatively" somewhere in there TvTs had a negative effect on my interest | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
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Stackemp
England2 Posts
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Tomfour
United States173 Posts
This MLG the invited players were MMA, MvP, Boxer, and DRG. 3 Terrans and one Zerg. If they are inviting players obviously there has to be atleast 2 of one of the races, but I think if they had atleast one of each that would be really nice. The Koreans aside, protoss was under-represented this MLG, but I wish they had atleast brought 1 Toss out of the invites. The players who came themselves aren't really a problem, it just happened that Ganzi/Rain both happen to be Terran and both happened to do very well this tournament. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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Segomo
Germany2 Posts
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SPQRGaius
United States18 Posts
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SPQRGaius
United States18 Posts
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vitruvia
Canada235 Posts
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
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Fryght
Netherlands254 Posts
I also like watching MLG for the personality of players, in which the koreans kind of stumble (except for MC maybe), imo. Had the same thing with Assembly a bit. In Huk vs Mana, Huk's player cam had him show emotion, while Mana sat their stonefaced, hardly moving at all. I understand it's not really important for the quality of games, but it does affect my interest. | ||
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Legat0
United States318 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
Having said that the more koreans they play the better they will become so it will help them catch up. Reducing the entrys isnt an answer. | ||
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