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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On April 21 2011 23:48 Malinor wrote: Yeah, it has become even so volatile, that a 5-time Champion can replace another 5-time champion on the throne. Ridiculous. The group of death today had 13 starleague golds between them. That is... insane. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4759 Posts
On April 21 2011 23:51 bluetrolls wrote: After Flash trounces JD in yet another final, JD fans will find solace in the May PR. :p I won't. But just because Flash is the best player doesn't mean he needs to be #1 every month or that he is the best every single month. Sometimes other players just perform better. But that doesn't make the PR volatile. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
2. Flash - back in January/February during WL Flash was looking basically unbeatable and the only mark against him was his piss-poor December performance. In March I commented that Flash looked maybe a bit more beatable than before, but he was still the obvious candidate for #1. Right now he's still a strong, solid player, but he was not the best player last month. 3. Bisu - Under other circumstances he could have been #2 but I think that Flash proved that Bisu's win on Aztec was just one game. 4. Fantasy - learn how to overcome Soulkey please. I'll admit that Soulkey is a player with a lot of ability (even if he doesn't always show it), but not so much that he should be 6-1 against you. However, there is no doubt in my mind of Fanta's ability, nor of his hotness. Soulkey stepped up for the win rather than Fanta stepping down. Edit: Also PR worthy IMO but I'm not going to bother ranking: Stork, Zero (statistics do not do justice to how solid he is right now), Hydra (his MSL gold was not a fluke), Light (with all new and improved TvP!). And possibly: Mind (currently a bit of a dark horse... producing solid results lately without attracting attention), Leta (a couple months ago on the worst loss streak of his career, but solid play lately, 8-2 in his last 10 and I don't know how he managed to get away with 14cc vs 9hatch ling rush and then AGAIN vs 4pool). Hard/impossible to rank: Baby has not played at all this month even though he's been so strong lately. Stats only played 1 game (loss to s2 on Zerg haven Icarus). Sea had the bad luck of being in group D. CBNC: Soulkey: want on rank? Show us more than just 2 good games. FBH: bad luck to face Stork twice. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On April 21 2011 23:47 TwoToneTerran wrote: Jaedong deserves #1 unless he like chokes vs khan and loses a game and an ace game or something. I think his ZvP is still a bit suspect but there's absolutely no reason to say anything besides Jaedong #1 Flash #2 right now for PR's sake. I say this despite thinking Flash is still the better player. The last game? The last game was just Flash being generally more solid in a long game. Bisu should've won the first game when Flash handed him a massive advantage on a silver platter and he proceeded to give us a Jaehoon from 08 level PvT. I think bisu could've won that. He basically was doing fine until that horrible attack at 6, even though he started with a disadvantage. | ||
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HopLight
Sweden999 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On April 22 2011 07:43 Lightwip wrote: I think bisu could've won that. He basically was doing fine until that horrible attack at 6, even though he started with a disadvantage. Yes he "could" have won that game if he didn't make that attack at 6. But he chose to make the attack. And even if he hadn't the game would have been about even. Flash was the better player that game, ergo Flash deserved the win. Anyway, it's not really relevant to the PR anyway since Bisu's position of #3 is pretty much locked and the debate about Flash vs JD in 1/2 is more of an issue of JD's ZvP. But me speaking, I'd give JD #1 this month. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On April 21 2011 23:52 Elroi wrote: The group of death today had 13 starleague golds between them. That is... insane. AFAIK the only comparable group in history was NaDa/Oov/July/Clon in IOPS. At the time Nada had 5 golds, Oov had 4, and July had only 1 so far, and in terms of ability definitely comparable to FJB. However on the issue of the 4th man, Clon was never a heavyweight in 1v1 (although he managed to take out Oov in their match -- very ironic because as I recall Oov picked him to be an easy win) and Sea has consistently been a top 5 Terran for about 5 years now. This MSL's group D was the death group to end all death groups. | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On April 22 2011 10:36 gen.Sun wrote: Why is bisu #3 locked? Stork should be three if he beats hydra. Because he beat Jaedong and Flash causing SKT to win the SWL. | ||
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Fishmalk
74 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:01 Oystein wrote: Because he beat Jaedong and Flash causing SKT to win the SWL. He beat Flash once, on Aztec, followed by losing to Flash twice on maps that are fair for pvt. Beating Jd once is impressive, of course, but hardly enough to lock in #3 if Stork is able to topple Hydra. | ||
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:17 Fishmalk wrote: He beat Flash once, on Aztec, followed by losing to Flash twice on maps that are fair for pvt. Beating Jd once is impressive, of course, but hardly enough to lock in #3 if Stork is able to topple Hydra. So a map with the great sample size of 2 games is a fair map? Or how about that map where no toss have won in broadcasted games vT and all PvT wins comes from superior P players beating chump B teamers in offliners? | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On April 22 2011 12:40 Oystein wrote: So a map with the great sample size of 2 games is a fair map? Or how about that map where no toss have won in broadcasted games vT and all PvT wins comes from superior P players beating chump B teamers in offliners? To be fair, there were only two games played on the map that were relevant in the match-up, this one, and Stork losing to Mind... with 12 nexus getting bunker rushed. So yeah, I can see some favourable feature for t on the map (seems good for vulture harass, easy 4th), but I'm not sure it's really that screwed in Ts favor. And to see how the map really had any influence on the Flash vs Bisu game, where Flash looked beatable, and Bisu made some glaring mistakes. Maybe I fail to see something. | ||
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gen.Sun
United States539 Posts
On April 22 2011 11:01 Oystein wrote: Because he beat Jaedong and Flash causing SKT to win the SWL. I don't feel like the WL win was extremely legit, as yesterday showed, Bisu's glaring weakness in pvt is not something you would expect from an S class player. Taking down hydra in a series would mean a lot more. Also SPL is returning. I hope to come back in a few days and argue for stork #2 if he takes down jaedong. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4442 Posts
 Midas should be number 1, noone showed muta micro like him  | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
jd bisu flash both bisu and flash have 3 wins two losses bisu(flash JD sea)(flash flash) flash(bisu bisu s2)(bisu JD) A loss to flash is comparable to a loss to jaedong, so let's ignore those bisu(flash JD sea)(flash ) flash(bisu bisu s2)(bisu ) While I would argue that bisu beating flash is more impressive than flash beating bisu, let’s say that they are equal, and take them out. bisu(JD sea) flash(bisu s2) Two games left, and both of bisu's are more impressive. Flash beat bisu in his historically weak matchup, while JD has no weak MUs. That, and Sea is a better player than S2. This combined that Bisu's wins (final game of playoffs day 2, final game of championship, msl group game) are more important than flash's (a game in the championship (not last one) and 2 from MSL groups) means bisu had a better month, despite losing the head to head. so JD, then bisu, then flash. Unless bisu drops a game or JD drops two, that’s the way it should be. | ||
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dani_caliKorea
730 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
And while PvT is indeed Bisu's historical weak point it clearly isn't right now; PvP is. Take a look at his recent games against Free and Perfectman, not to mention that lately he can't seem to beat Stork at all, and that he's been out-played in some other games as well. | ||
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