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Evs
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 07:02:47
February 23 2011 07:00 GMT
#461
@mnesthes: eh? I thought that what matters most for the new power rank is the "last few weeks"?

Why bring Flash and Hydra's history into this? Career-wise I won't argue that Flash is top 1 but if that is the case (ranking players based on play history) then I don't think we even need to debate the positions for the next 5 ranks...



Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 23 2011 07:16 GMT
#462
What the hell has happened to Killer? Give the kid a PR spot. :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
February 23 2011 07:19 GMT
#463
Killer is being troll clearly.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
February 23 2011 07:20 GMT
#464
What.
Killer has a better WL score than JD now. And he's tied with Fantasy.
Yeah he needs a PR spot.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 07:26:31
February 23 2011 07:23 GMT
#465
On February 23 2011 16:20 Lightwip wrote:
Killer has a better WL score than JD now.

That is just mind blowing. It makes no sense at all. O_o Is this a sign of how badly JD is slumping or of how good Killer is becoming?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
February 23 2011 07:23 GMT
#466
On February 23 2011 16:00 Evs wrote:
@mnesthes: eh? I thought that what matters most for the new power rank is the "last few weeks"?

Why bring Flash and Hydra's history into this? Career-wise I won't argue that Flash is top 1 but if that is the case (ranking players based on play history) then I don't think we even need to debate the positions for the next 5 ranks...
Look, I don't want to rank players based on career history either, it's just there's no one scary enough to trump Flash's position right now. Hydra might have had the fear factor after winning the MSL but he then lost ZvZ to Killer and Action which blew pretty much of it.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 07:46:22
February 23 2011 07:41 GMT
#467
On February 23 2011 16:19 flamewheel wrote:
Killer is being troll clearly.


cbnc for killer

6-10:

zero
snow?
kal
baby??
light??
sea?
killer???

no individual league games means small sample sizes
Writer
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
February 23 2011 12:02 GMT
#468
is there going to be a power rank for sc2? Would be awesome <3
dr Helvetica <3
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
February 23 2011 16:16 GMT
#469
My thoughts:
1. Flash
2. fantasy
3. Bisu
4. Hydra
5. Stork
6. Jaedong
7. ZerO
8. Kal (currently 3-killing ACE)
9. Sea
10. Light


Light is one of my favorite players, but I don't see him in top 10, his TvP is just terrible.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
February 23 2011 16:23 GMT
#470
On February 23 2011 15:39 Evs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 11:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:28 Evs wrote:
On February 23 2011 07:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 23 2011 01:57 lastmotion wrote:
I love how Flash fans try to discredit Hydra's performance so that they can try to make Flash #1. Hydra has been on fire and won MSL, and lost 2 ZvZ (which can happen to anyone looking at how unstable ZvZ matchup is)

Unless Hydra goes on a losing streak, I think it's pretty dumb to argue otherwise

Performance/statistics aren't the only thing that matters.

Who do you honestly believe is the best player right now? If you bet your life on a Bo5 who would you choose? You'd honestly pick Hydra over Flash?


And we go back to how bias (on who you "think" is more favored) should weigh more than an entire tournament run? Results should matter more instead of these "what if" scenarios.

No but if the power rank was based on statistics then it could be generated by a computer/algorithim. It isn't, it's based on quality of gameplay and a subjective feeling of "power" that a player carries.


My problem is on how the subjectivity weighs more. Not that I want the rank to reflect on pure statistics).

Your original statement clearly points on that: stating that being a favorite in a "what-if" Bo5 match between Hydra and Flash right now would equate to a Flash victory. Such a leap of faith here. Specially since Flash has not played a BoX in months and it is in these intervening months that Hydra has shown an increase in BoX play.

I will argue here again, just as I had argued for Fantasy when he got his OSL gold: why is the dominant playstyle that the champion displayed in the individual league less valued than in proleague?


Yeah, Hydra showed an increase in BoX play... When he all he played were zergs. He hasn't even played against a terran in over a month. Flash, on the other hand, has won three Bo5s against arguably the best zerg player ever. He's been in SEVEN FINALS. You think that just because he hasn't made it to one in a bit he's going to somehow lose all that experience?
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
February 23 2011 21:59 GMT
#471
On February 24 2011 01:23 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 15:39 Evs wrote:
On February 23 2011 11:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 23 2011 08:28 Evs wrote:
On February 23 2011 07:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 23 2011 01:57 lastmotion wrote:
I love how Flash fans try to discredit Hydra's performance so that they can try to make Flash #1. Hydra has been on fire and won MSL, and lost 2 ZvZ (which can happen to anyone looking at how unstable ZvZ matchup is)

Unless Hydra goes on a losing streak, I think it's pretty dumb to argue otherwise

Performance/statistics aren't the only thing that matters.

Who do you honestly believe is the best player right now? If you bet your life on a Bo5 who would you choose? You'd honestly pick Hydra over Flash?


And we go back to how bias (on who you "think" is more favored) should weigh more than an entire tournament run? Results should matter more instead of these "what if" scenarios.

No but if the power rank was based on statistics then it could be generated by a computer/algorithim. It isn't, it's based on quality of gameplay and a subjective feeling of "power" that a player carries.


My problem is on how the subjectivity weighs more. Not that I want the rank to reflect on pure statistics).

Your original statement clearly points on that: stating that being a favorite in a "what-if" Bo5 match between Hydra and Flash right now would equate to a Flash victory. Such a leap of faith here. Specially since Flash has not played a BoX in months and it is in these intervening months that Hydra has shown an increase in BoX play.

I will argue here again, just as I had argued for Fantasy when he got his OSL gold: why is the dominant playstyle that the champion displayed in the individual league less valued than in proleague?


Yeah, Hydra showed an increase in BoX play... When he all he played were zergs. He hasn't even played against a terran in over a month. Flash, on the other hand, has won three Bo5s against arguably the best zerg player ever. He's been in SEVEN FINALS. You think that just because he hasn't made it to one in a bit he's going to somehow lose all that experience?


You just CANT say that! We are talking about this month!
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
February 24 2011 02:59 GMT
#472
On February 24 2011 01:16 Yodo wrote:
Show nested quote +
My thoughts:
1. Flash
2. fantasy
3. Bisu
4. Hydra
5. Stork
6. Jaedong
7. ZerO
8. Kal (currently 3-killing ACE)
9. Sea
10. Light


Light is one of my favorite players, but I don't see him in top 10, his TvP is just terrible.


I second that. Light lost this month twice to PerfectMan. How can you lose to Perfectman and still get a spot on PR!?
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
February 24 2011 03:08 GMT
#473
hydra is 22-10 since 2011
flash is 18-2

Bonjwa is doing everything he can to continue his dominance after a few fluke losses 2 months ago but whatever if people want to put Hydra first do so, i can't be arsed to care that much anymore

imo Hydra need to prove that he can keep it up, because this time the other contester i playing superb.
and whatever happens flash will probably just be #1 next month anyway so go on and argue for an incorrect powerrank lol
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
FakePlasticLove
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States357 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 03:16:25
February 24 2011 03:13 GMT
#474
Killer, Hiya, JD in the ranking?

Also Kal still stucks, all his wins come from playing ACE.

1. Flash
2. Hydra
3. Bisu
4. Fantasy
5. Stork
6. Jaedong
7. ZerO
8. Killer
9. Hiya
10. Great
All walls are great if the roof doesn't fall
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
February 24 2011 03:22 GMT
#475
On February 24 2011 12:13 FakePlasticLove wrote:
Killer, Hiya, JD in the ranking?

Also Kal still stucks, all his wins come from playing ACE.

1. Flash
2. Hydra
3. Bisu
4. Fantasy
5. Stork
6. Jaedong
7. ZerO
8. Killer
9. Hiya
10. Great

Pretty nice ranking, though I'd put Hydra above Flash because taking the grand slam does mean quite a bit. He may have lost in a not-so-great fashion afterwards, but keeping it together long enough to get a title means quite a bit.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
February 24 2011 04:55 GMT
#476
Every time someone suggests that Flash might not be #1 a million fanboys come out screaming about how great Flash is. We get it. He's the best damn player in the world and has been for over a year now. It's still nice to celebrate other players and not just leave Flash in #1 for 12+ months straight or whatever. Go look at Elo/KeSPA if you want that. As a Zerg supporter I can say that seeing the same Terran in the #1 spot all the damn time is making me kind of hate the game. I barely watched any BW all of 2010 because it was all Flash all the time, and I found it hugely refreshing to see some variety this year. I know that if Flash takes dual golds again next season I'll probably stop caring about BW once again and just keep an eye on things for the time when Flash finally falls from his throne.

So what I'm saying is that if nothing else, at least use the little bit of subjectivity built into the PR to throw a bone to the Protoss and Zerg supporters out there once in a while to make them feel like this game isn't just about the one wunderkind Terran player. Please.
Creator of LoLTool.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
February 24 2011 06:02 GMT
#477
There's still a week to go before the end of the month, but at the moment I think the PR writer should consider putting not just Hydra above Jaedong, but Zero also. Both Zero and Jaedong were eliminated in the semifinals of the MSL, and while Jaedong would smash Zero in a ZvZ, Zero has wins over Flash and Stork in proleague recently while Jaedong continues to fall to S class players.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
February 24 2011 09:16 GMT
#478
On February 24 2011 13:55 Goragoth wrote:
So what I'm saying is that if nothing else, at least use the little bit of subjectivity built into the PR to throw a bone to the Protoss and Zerg supporters out there once in a while to make them feel like this game isn't just about the one wunderkind Terran player. Please.

So you're saying that the Power Rank should be less of a ranking of actual performance and more of a wish list?
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
February 24 2011 10:18 GMT
#479
On February 24 2011 13:55 Goragoth wrote:
Every time someone suggests that Flash might not be #1 a million fanboys come out screaming about how great Flash is. We get it. He's the best damn player in the world and has been for over a year now. It's still nice to celebrate other players and not just leave Flash in #1 for 12+ months straight or whatever. Go look at Elo/KeSPA if you want that. As a Zerg supporter I can say that seeing the same Terran in the #1 spot all the damn time is making me kind of hate the game. I barely watched any BW all of 2010 because it was all Flash all the time, and I found it hugely refreshing to see some variety this year. I know that if Flash takes dual golds again next season I'll probably stop caring about BW once again and just keep an eye on things for the time when Flash finally falls from his throne.

So what I'm saying is that if nothing else, at least use the little bit of subjectivity built into the PR to throw a bone to the Protoss and Zerg supporters out there once in a while to make them feel like this game isn't just about the one wunderkind Terran player. Please.


What? The point of the power rank is who's the performing the best out there, not "Let's give this guy a high rank just for fun." Incidentally, kinda funny how you complain about Flash fans saying that he's the best (when you admit that he is) and then go on to rant about how much you hate it when he wins. Yeah, nobody does that.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
February 24 2011 11:29 GMT
#480
On February 24 2011 18:16 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 13:55 Goragoth wrote:
So what I'm saying is that if nothing else, at least use the little bit of subjectivity built into the PR to throw a bone to the Protoss and Zerg supporters out there once in a while to make them feel like this game isn't just about the one wunderkind Terran player. Please.

So you're saying that the Power Rank should be less of a ranking of actual performance and more of a wish list?

It is plainly obvious that I'm not saying that at all. If the PR was just about who the best player in the world is then Flash would have been #1 for the last 12 month or more. Since he was not, it is easy to conclude that the PR is about more than just who the best player is and also about performance and achievements over the last month or so. Using this well established criteria it is easy to place Hydra at #1 this month over Flash even though we all know Flash is the best in the world. Unless you are saying that the PR has been rubbish every month over the last year where Flash wasn't #1 and that you have some sort of authority over determining what a valid PR should look like (hint: only the PR writer has that).

Anyway, the month isn't over yet, but unless we see Hydra losing games other than ZvZ build order losses he should (IMO) be #1 next month.
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