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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Monkeyshark
United States406 Posts
On January 30 2011 16:55 Holgerius wrote: I have to say I agree with Mr. ISighZ. Flash has just been lucky lately. -__- I feel like you're just spamming the thread. As his fans you should know why he needs the BO win. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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ISighZ
United States270 Posts
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ISighZ
United States270 Posts
On January 30 2011 16:59 Monkeyshark wrote: I feel like you're just spamming the thread. As his fans you should know why he needs the BO win. I'm a big Flash fan. Most of my post are probably from KT vs Random team LR thread. I'm all for Flash taking a break to heal his arm(He should anyway, just give him a break already). I just don't want Flash to be #1 in a POWER ranking when he wins with luck. Cause then when he lose convincingly when he's supposedly #1 in Power, I would feel disappointed and he would, too. It's like a lie. Like telling someone a hurtful white lie. I rather have flash be either #1 or not be in Power ranking. That's how Flash should be. NUMBER 1 or Nothing. Strive to be the best and nothing but the best. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4727 Posts
On January 30 2011 17:13 ISighZ wrote: How are you suppose to rank if you don't name/look at scenarios and the game quality? Isn't that what you base rank on? How do you rank if there aren't any scenarios.... If you don't agree with my comparison, how would you compare? Don't just disagree with me and say nothing. It's suppose to be a discussion not just calling anther person's post lame and move on. It's not like I'm naming scenarios from very long ago except for the Stork vs Jaedong one. The games I listed aren't one month old. It's not impossible to rank, it just wasn't like this before, Flash and Jaedong wins everything so it was easy for us. I don't know how to solve it if you had read my first post. I'm just offering my opinions. And instead of nip picking my post, why don't you offer something back? Or maybe you did and I just didn't read it. Had only read your last two post. It's on page 40: + Show Spoiler + My take: #1  FlashWhen things are as messy as now and noone can truthfully claim to be a clear #1, just go with the best player. He only lost one game this month and obviously still deserves more credit than anyone else. His play looks still as sharp as last year. #2  BisuThree all-kills and former #2, so he really deserves a high spot. If he had beaten Flash in WL, he would be my #1, but he didn't. #3 FantasyFirst, I simply dislike it when the PR turns into a place where people can just jump from "Not on the PR" to "#1" within one month. Furthermore, there is nothing that makes me believe he is the best SC:BW player in the world. We saw him at what Fantasy is best in, in preparing a Bo5. And while all of this was very impressive, Storks play was uninspired and Fantasys road to the finals lacked a bit in quality competition (group was ok, Hyuk in Ro8 is just lol, and I don't consider Calm to be THAT good right now) But an OSL winner should always be within the top#3. #4  JaedongUnder normal circumstances, with the month Jaedong had I would easily put him at #1, because above everything else, he still is winning a lot and is the favourite in the MSL. But his games are often very sloppy and he himself looks quite shaken up. If the Jaedong of 2009 would lose games like against Stork and Violet in WL, I would not worry one bit, but at this moment I am very worried. Still it has to be said that game #3 and #5 against Snow where superb and even in game #4 he didn't play bad... it was just Snow playing like Bisu on crack. #5 StorkYeah, this breaks my heart, seriously, but he needs to be punished for his showing during this week, which could have been the most glorious of his career. #6 Hydra - On an amazing tear lately and a ZvZ-monster.#7 ZerO - For occasional brilliance and being a MSL semi-finalist.#8 Bogus - Established as the new "Go-to-guy" in STX with good results in WL.#9 Snow - For the most impressive PvZ Bo5 played in a long time.#10 great - Semi-finalist in the MSL should account for something.With the games played today, I would probably put Snow a bit higher. Flash and Bogus ar e playing tomorrow. If Flash doesn't lose, I have no doubt he should be first. Maybe I give Jaedong not enough credit and he should be higher. | ||
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Monkeyshark
United States406 Posts
On January 30 2011 17:19 ISighZ wrote: I'm a big Flash fan. Most of my post are probably from KT vs Random team LR thread. I'm all for Flash taking a break to heal his arm(He should anyway, just give him a break already). I just don't want Flash to be #1 in a POWER ranking when he wins with luck. Cause then when he lose convincingly when he's supposedly #1 in Power, I would feel disappointed and he would, too. It's like a lie. Like telling someone a hurtful white lie. I rather have flash be either #1 or not be in Power ranking. That's how Flash should be. NUMBER 1 or Nothing. Strive to be the best and nothing but the best. Are you seriously contributing most of his win to luck? It can't be that he prepared the BO? Just because he won with the BO that he prepared doesn't mean he couldn't win other wise. It's his opponent that's being bad, not him. Also Flash makes almost everyone looks bad mostly when they play against him. But that's not what I'm arguing about since I'm not ranking anyone. On January 30 2011 16:55 Holgerius wrote:Flash has just been lucky lately. -__- I would like to add in: What kind of bullshit is this? As a fan, really? It's like you're saying that Flash can't win those games without luck. Sure even if he's injured and can't play long game, his superior game sense isn't that bad now is it? The injury should only hurt the practice time and mechanics but Flash should still be able to win with superior thinking. | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On January 30 2011 17:29 Monkeyshark wrote: Are you seriously contributing most of his win to luck? It can't be that he prepared the BO? Just because he won with the BO that he prepared doesn't mean he couldn't win other wise. It's his opponent that's being bad, not him. Also Flash makes almost everyone looks bad mostly when they play against him. But that's not what I'm arguing about since I'm not ranking anyone. I would like to add in: What kind of bullshit is this? As a fan, really? It's like you're saying that Flash can't win those games without luck. Sure even if he's injured and can't play long game, his superior game sense isn't that bad now is it? The injury should only hurt the practice time and mechanics but Flash should still be able to win with superior thinking. Somebody here should move to Romania ^___^ | ||
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ISighZ
United States270 Posts
On January 30 2011 17:22 Malinor wrote: It's on page 40: + Show Spoiler + My take: #1 FlashWhen things are as messy as now and noone can truthfully claim to be a clear #1, just go with the best player. He only lost one game this month and obviously still deserves more credit than anyone else. His play looks still as sharp as last year. #2 BisuThree all-kills and former #2, so he really deserves a high spot. If he had beaten Flash in WL, he would be my #1, but he didn't. #3 FantasyFirst, I simply dislike it when the PR turns into a place where people can just jump from "Not on the PR" to "#1" within one month. Furthermore, there is nothing that makes me believe he is the best SC:BW player in the world. We saw him at what Fantasy is best in, in preparing a Bo5. And while all of this was very impressive, Storks play was uninspired and Fantasys road to the finals lacked a bit in quality competition (group was ok, Hyuk in Ro8 is just lol, and I don't consider Calm to be THAT good right now) But an OSL winner should always be within the top#3. #4 JaedongUnder normal circumstances, with the month Jaedong had I would easily put him at #1, because above everything else, he still is winning a lot and is the favourite in the MSL. But his games are often very sloppy and he himself looks quite shaken up. If the Jaedong of 2009 would lose games like against Stork and Violet in WL, I would not worry one bit, but at this moment I am very worried. Still it has to be said that game #3 and #5 against Snow where superb and even in game #4 he didn't play bad... it was just Snow playing like Bisu on crack. #5 StorkYeah, this breaks my heart, seriously, but he needs to be punished for his showing during this week, which could have been the most glorious of his career. #6 Hydra - On an amazing tear lately and a ZvZ-monster.#7 ZerO - For occasional brilliance and being a MSL semi-finalist.#8 Bogus - Established as the new "Go-to-guy" in STX with good results in WL.#9 Snow - For the most impressive PvZ Bo5 played in a long time.#10 great - Semi-finalist in the MSL should account for something.With the games played today, I would probably put Snow a bit higher. Flash and Bogus ar e playing tomorrow. If Flash doesn't lose, I have no doubt he should be first. Maybe I give Jaedong not enough credit and he should be higher. The top 5 would be the ranking I want. Seriously putting Flash as number 1 because no other one can step up is meh. That's just saying no one is good enough to be number 1, not even Flash. Why can't power ranking be with 2 number 2s. Being number 1 with a reasoning like yours is a pity number 1. Flash doesn't need pity. He will earn it. *Honestly I like Flash as number 1 more than anything but with his hand condition, he's likely to drop games. It's a lie to put Flash as number 1 with his current condition. And Fantasy over Jaedong? Even with Fantasy's current form and Jaedong's current form, would anyone really consider Fantasy over Jaedong? Fantasy beat Stork not Jaedong. Look at the last TvZ Fantasy lost. He build turruts in preparation of muta when lurker was knocking on his doorstep. And I wouldn't mind if it's just once in a while mistake but failures like that tend to happen when it's Fantasy vs Zerg. Jaedong may not be the best form but he doesn't lose games the way Fantasy loses to. It's basically noone is greater than Bisu and Bisu is not greater than Flash, therefore Flash is 1. I don't really care about anybody's rankings except Flash's. | ||
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Substance59
United States110 Posts
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ISighZ
United States270 Posts
On January 30 2011 17:29 Monkeyshark wrote: Are you seriously contributing most of his win to luck? It can't be that he prepared the BO? Just because he won with the BO that he prepared doesn't mean he couldn't win other wise. It's his opponent that's being bad, not him. Also Flash makes almost everyone looks bad mostly when they play against him. But that's not what I'm arguing about since I'm not ranking anyone. I would like to add in: What kind of bullshit is this? As a fan, really? It's like you're saying that Flash can't win those games without luck. Sure even if he's injured and can't play long game, his superior game sense isn't that bad now is it? The injury should only hurt the practice time and mechanics but Flash should still be able to win with superior thinking. He won with the BO because his opponents played exactly the way he wanted them to. It's what you say as superior thinking. That's equivalent to luck isn't it? You are guessing what your opponent is doing. And if the opponent is not doing what you want them to,(The Flash Vs Zero game, if Zero had went for muta first, Flash's first Goliath push would win him the game, but he didn't, result in Flash lost). I didn't say Most of his wins. I'm saying his last 3 games. And I hope you watch the Flash vs Really game. The build Really used was a HARD COUNTER to Flash style. The usual fast expasion with 1 rax or 14 cc or forward rax. Really's first vulture would have rape that marine coming out from the rax and win the game. Take into the ratio of Flash building a sim city to block entrance vs the games he didn't build a sim city, he doesn't block a lot of times. It's usually forward rax expansion. He Blind counter Really. How lucky is that or you can say just game sense. but it's luck. Well did he win that game with Zero? when Zero didn't play the way Flash wanted? His game sense is definitely not bad, he block Zero's drops several times but in a game like BW, just game sense don't win games. His game sense vs Zero was amazing, it was like map hack. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9020 Posts
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HopLight
Sweden999 Posts
On January 30 2011 16:06 flamewheel wrote: Okay I just checked. Actually I think this makes things ever so slightly easier? In my mind it does, an excuse to: + Show Spoiler + Not put Bisu first, Not put Fantasy first, not drop Stork all the way Nevertheless, I still don't envy you. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
It seems like you are passionate in your viewpoint and not trolling but seriously read what you are writing man. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
Stork is still a strong player but 0-6 is pretty inexcusible. | ||
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Fushin
France193 Posts
Stork. Ok he got 3-0ed 2 times this weeks, and that doesn't look good. But see it that way : the only player who has better starleague standings this month is Fantasy, one of the guy who 3-0ed Stork (and a guy who lost against Stork today btw).In PL, only Flash and arguably Bisu did better for their teams. Hell, Bisu has more wins but lost a couple of time putting skt1 behind KHAN right now, plus Stork 2-0ed him.Stork doesn't deserve #1, let's Fanta have it. But he does'nt deserve anything below 3. I mean, Bisu and Flash didn't do any starleague this month, at all. And Bisu didn't do more for this team that Stork.For me it's a solid : 1- Fantasy : did an average job in PL, honestly he doesn't deserve this spot overall, BUT he won the osl, so kudos to him, let him have it.2- Stork : Went 2nd in the OSL, did very well in PL. Lost badly in MSL, but still went farther that, well...Flash, Fantasy and Bisu...And he won against Jaedong in PL.3- Flash : Ruled PL this month.4- Bisu : Good PL stats but with a couple of critical losses, lost in msl against Stork 2-0 and in PL, lost vs Flash in PL. With his win records i would like to reward him more, maybe next month.5- Jaedong : Jaedong had a bad month ! Let's face it, ppl are quick to drop Stork for 2 series, but Jaedong constatly failed in the first couple of weeks in january, he's still in msl, but he did fail his team in PL. He's only starting to win for OZ again, hopefully he will continue and rise in the PR. Next we'll probably have some ZeRo, eventually Stats, Jaehoon, and i'l like to see great too. But since I jumped here to defend Stork i won't detail.I also strongly disagree that Stork's PL wins redeem him getting double 3-0ed out of both leagues. He even missed a PL match to practice! At least when Flash did that he won both finals... Power rank stands for the whole month. And considering the "Stork missing pl thing" it's January who decided that anw, as she wanted to get a win without Stork for the team's sake. | ||
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RookM
United States45 Posts
On January 30 2011 19:23 Fushin wrote: 5- Jaedong : Jaedong had a bad month ! Let's face it, ppl are quick to drop Stork for 2 series, but Jaedong constatly failed in the first couple of weeks in january, he's still in msl, but he did fail his team in PL. He's only starting to win for OZ again, hopefully he will continue and rise in the PR. I'm not entirely sure where this conception is coming from, but Jaedong did NOT have a bad month. He went 12-4 for the entire month, with two of those losses and five of those wins in MSL. Sure, it's easy to look at the WL records of Flash and Bisu and go "ah. Flash only dropped one game and Bisu dropped one as well." But if you include MSL Bisu has gone 13-3 and Flash is still at 9-1. Since Flash didn't play as many games, and Bisu played just as many games as Jaedong... 13-3 for Bisu and 12-4 for Jaedong. But somehow people want to say that Bisu did amazing and Jaedong didn't. Is the difference of one game really that important? I'm not trying to necessarily argue that Jaedong should be #1 power rank (it is my personal opinion that he should, but I can see an argument for just about every angle under the sun at this point), but to say that he had a bad month is just ignoring his results. Jaedong has not been playing the prettiest games. Sloppiness is rampant, but most of it isn't that he's playing poorly... it's that we are comparing him with what he was doing last year. It's not that Jaedong is suddenly awful, it's just that compared to his form in 2010, he looks mortal. But he's still getting results. And out of taekbangleessang, he's the only one left that even might get a gold for this round of starleagues. And might is an understatement, he is very heavily favored to get one. So you can argue he may not win a BO5 against Stork/Bisu/Flash. That's fine. You can keep whoever you're a fan of as #1 on PR while Jaedong goes for another gold medal. Just a quick summary. Jaedong's games may not be the prettiest wins, but they are still wins. He's still doing great, he's just not looking as perfect as usual. It's great that BW is still such has such an amazing scene that we can all argue about :D | ||
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Fushin
France193 Posts
On January 30 2011 21:01 RookM wrote: I'm not entirely sure where this conception is coming from, but Jaedong did NOT have a bad month. He went 12-4 for the entire month, with two of those losses and five of those wins in MSL. Sure, it's easy to look at the WL records of Flash and Bisu and go "ah. Flash only dropped one game and Bisu dropped one as well." But if you include MSL Bisu has gone 13-3 and Flash is still at 9-1. Since Flash didn't play as many games, and Bisu played just as many games as Jaedong... 13-3 for Bisu and 12-4 for Jaedong. But somehow people want to say that Bisu did amazing and Jaedong didn't. Is the difference of one game really that important? I'm not trying to necessarily argue that Jaedong should be #1 power rank (it is my personal opinion that he should, but I can see an argument for just about every angle under the sun at this point), but to say that he had a bad month is just ignoring his results. Jaedong has not been playing the prettiest games. Sloppiness is rampant, but most of it isn't that he's playing poorly... it's that we are comparing him with what he was doing last year. It's not that Jaedong is suddenly awful, it's just that compared to his form in 2010, he looks mortal. But he's still getting results. And out of taekbangleessang, he's the only one left that even might get a gold for this round of starleagues. And might is an understatement, he is very heavily favored to get one. So you can argue he may not win a BO5 against Stork/Bisu/Flash. That's fine. You can keep whoever you're a fan of as #1 on PR while Jaedong goes for another gold medal. Just a quick summary. Jaedong's games may not be the prettiest wins, but they are still wins. He's still doing great, he's just not looking as perfect as usual. It's great that BW is still such has such an amazing scene that we can all argue about :D Well you actually said what i think  JD did ok, not as good as he's usual self but ok. But compared to the other 4 and for this month, i think he's performance is slighty worse.But as you also said, he can still get a gold in the msl, and considering the number of zerg out there, i wouldn't be surprised if he did (and tbh i hope he will). But for january, he can't compete with the achievement the first four...(though with today's matches, maybe he could compete with Bisu). | ||
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DropBear
Australia4353 Posts
Flash over Stork but I can't see how you can put Jaedong, Fantasy or Bisu above him.- Bisu has been absolutely smashed in the 3 games he played agaisnt Stork this month.- Fantasy may have won the osl but he also took part in the atrocity against Calm, has ace match losses against Stork and Jaehoon, got cleaned up by ggaemo only a few days ago, has had a limited role in winner's league due to Bisu's allkilling run and from an aesthetic point of view has been horrid to watch for me. Just because he won osl doesn't mean he should get an automatic number 1.-And Jaedong? He's winning games but he just.... doesn''t look that good y'know? | ||
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Loffeman
Sweden105 Posts
1 Bisu: This is the guy most people talk about even though he hasn't been in the SLs. His record is still really amazing even though he lost against Flash and got destroyed by Stork 2/3 Flash, Fantasy: If Flash wins a couple of games tomorrow then he's at second place but otherwise Fantasy's gold is the big thing. 4 Jaedong: amazing series against snow. Got good results and is overall looking good 5. Hydra: Doing well in the MSL, looking really good right now 6. Zero: Crushed Stork, won over Flash 7. Stork: Got crushed in the finals but has redeemed himself somewhat and still been doing good in WL. I don't want to drop him too hard 8-10 I'm not sure about these. People have been talking about Tyson and some other guy I think. Snow should at least have one of the spots for his nice series against JD. | ||
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