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Power Rank 01/01/2011 - Page 34
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:17 Mooncat wrote: Your attitude is really getting annoying and you ought to know it by now. I'm not the first one to tell you that. You admit yourself that you're an absolute Flash hater, which makes it impossible for you to be anywhere near objective. So why don't you just stop talking about people you hate? It would raise the quality of your posts by an estimated 500%. Everybody knows that you're just butthurt because Bisu is the one that hasn't been bringing in results for who knows how long now, despite his alleged talent. Of course Flash would be considered for #2/#3 right now. How do you even define "without his past accomplishments"? It's impossible to just ignore the past because that's what brought him 72% overall win percentage, his insane ELO and ELO peaks, his aura, e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g. Apart from that just by judging the quality of his games, if you actually watch them, you can clearly see he's (one of) the best. Furthermore you can't blame Flash for not getting sent out as early as Bisu in WL or his teammates for stepping up their game right when WL starts. I haven't put any input in until now, and a big part of it was because I was pretty sure someone would be pretty fond of calling me out for supporting Bisu. Yes, I support Bisu, just as much as Flash fans support Flash; part of this is fanboyism. Yet you're calling me out for supporting him, with an argument filled with logical fallacy no less? And people call me an unreasonable fanboy. I find it ironic how hypocritical it is for you to call me out on lack of quality of posts when you post something like this. I never said anything about not considering Flash either, I just said that if he didn't have his past and only his current accomplishment, he wouldn't even really be up there, showing that his past is considered. | ||
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
I'd say that Flash's level of play right now is better, and is across all 3 match-ups as opposed to Bisu's 1 god class match-up(I have no idea why teams keep throwing zergs at him in spite of this) and 2 A-class level match ups, but bisu is simply the hotter player because he is fielded more and is on the back of 3 all kills. A player can't have much momentum when he isn't even fielded, so I guess in this aspect Flash is handicapped because Violet and Stats are just so good and Flash is on cleanup duty. Won't be surprised to see 1. Stork 2. Bisu 3. Flash next month. EDIT: Assuming the PR is based on hotness. Right now I'm still not sure what exactly is the PR based on. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
7 wins 0 losses. Fantasy obviously hot right now. Ssak - not so hot Bisu - on fire Snow - Great PvTer Leta - great TvTer but not as strong as the others right now. Skyhigh - rediculous TvT skills Bogus - on a very hot winnersleague streak All wins except against Ssak are against strong opponents. Flash is the reason KT is the only undefeated team so far, as some other people have mentioned; he's the final boss and it's a hard game. | ||
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Mooncat
Germany1228 Posts
On January 24 2011 22:46 Lightwip wrote: I haven't put any input in until now, and a big part of it was because I was pretty sure someone would be pretty fond of calling me out for supporting Bisu. Yes, I support Bisu, just as much as Flash fans support Flash; part of this is fanboyism. Yet you're calling me out for supporting him, with an argument filled with logical fallacy no less? And people call me an unreasonable fanboy. I find it ironic how hypocritical it is for you to call me out on lack of quality of posts when you post something like this. I never said anything about not considering Flash either, I just said that if he didn't have his past and only his current accomplishment, he wouldn't even really be up there, showing that his past is considered. No, I'm not calling you out for supporting Bisu. I'm calling you out for bashing Flash every chance you get for no reason. If you hate someone, chances are you're going to post a lot of bullshit, that's the way it goes usually. So why don't you just stop it? Furthermore I was pointing out that your "without his past" argument is rather inapplicable because obviously every player has a past and it tells you a lot about him, e.g. that his current streak and level of play aren't just a fluke. "Without his past" it'd be difficult to judge anyone on this PR, except maybe Stork because he's really tearing it up everywhere these days. Maybe Bisu too because he's got a really big sample size of games this month. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:04 Mooncat wrote: No, I'm not calling you out for supporting Bisu. I'm calling you out for bashing Flash every chance you get for no reason. If you hate someone, chances are you're going to post a lot of bullshit, that's the way it goes usually. So why don't you just stop it? And you're doing a splendid job of not posting bullshit in response. It's fine to disagree with me, but you have some pretty damn garbage posts. No I don't like Flash, but that doesn't invalidate any arguments based on fact that I make against him. That doesn't give you any justification to fill your posts with garbage either. Flash fans argue about how his past should give him credit, I'm showing that it does. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Singapore884 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:05 Lightwip wrote: Yeah, he would rank pretty high, but probably under Jaedong right now because JD has a league on him. I doubt he would be considered for #2/3 if he didn't have those past achievements. I'm sorry if I sound condescending but you can't be serious. Jaedong's play has been terrible so far. Losing to violet in that manner, shaky play against woongjin, losing to stork... I think I've made my point. If anything, JD should drop in the PR. And if singlehandedly destroying SKT and the team that has all 3 of the other best players most well-equipped to take down Flash isn't enough for you to "consider" then you'll probably never accept that Flash is the better player even when he is. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:05 Lightwip wrote: Yeah, he would rank pretty high, but probably under Jaedong right now because JD has a league on him. I doubt he would be considered for #2/3 if he didn't have those past achievements. Flash fans argue about how his past should give him credit, I'm showing that it does. Yeah probably not that high, but thats mostly because he would then have to prove that he can keep it up. This logic though was not applied for Kal this month. On January 24 2011 23:10 Holgerius wrote: Hehe, I just took a peek into TLPD (initially to ogle at Bisu's Godlike PvZ), and in terms of ELO Flash's weakest MU is still stronger than anyone else's best. :D This tells quite a bit. He's floating on 2400 for a year and then drops down to 3500 for a very brief moment because of a redicoulusly few lost games (cmon -80 elo for 3 games or something) and now he's climbing back up. Others haven't been close for ages. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:12 POWEROUTAGE wrote: I'm sorry if I sound condescending but you can't be serious. Jaedong's play has been terrible so far. Losing to violet in that manner, shaky play against woongjin, losing to stork... I think I've made my point. If anything, JD should drop in the PR. And if singlehandedly destroying SKT and the team that has all 3 of the other best players most well-equipped to take down Flash isn't enough for you to "consider" then you'll probably never accept that Flash is the better player even when he is. Oh no, I agree completely. JD has been having an awful month. But if only JD had the success in the previous months then he would be given more benefit of the doubt than Flash.. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:18 Lightwip wrote: Oh no, I agree completely. JD has been having an awful month. But if only JD had the success in the previous months then he would be given more benefit of the doubt than Flash.. What if we consider that Jaedong is the strongest contender for the MSL championship? Flamewheel is fucked. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:25 ShadeR wrote: What if we consider that Jaedong is the strongest contender for the MSL championship? Flamewheel is fucked. Considering it's probably going to be a ZvZ finals, yeah, good luck Flamewheel. | ||
mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:25 ShadeR wrote: What if we consider that Jaedong is the strongest contender for the MSL championship? Flamewheel is fucked. You can't be serious. In his current form, he'll never get past Hydra. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:29 mustaju wrote: You can't be serious. In his current form, he'll never get past Hydra. Dude, it's JD. I wouldn't use the word never if I were you. | ||
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Singapore884 Posts
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mustaju
Estonia4504 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:33 Holgerius wrote: Dude, it's JD. I wouldn't use the word never if I were you. His name is Jaedong, but he currently plays like shit. That's how I'll choose to rate him. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 I'd personally kill to see Jaehoon make it. :D Only a loss to Dinotoss thus far in WL. On January 24 2011 23:44 mustaju wrote: His name is Jaedong, but he currently plays like shit. That's how I'll choose to rate him. IMO you should think twice before rating the abilities of one of the best and most consistent Bo5 players of all time. | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:38 POWEROUTAGE wrote: Disregarding the placement of TaekLeessang, I've to say that I'm ecstatic that we're likely to see Stats and Violet on the PR. I really love them both, glad to see that their play has picked up and now we're no longer that much of a 1-man team. I wish, but that's been said ever since round 1 of last year's proleague -_- Time and time again KT turns into a 1-man team since no one else players consistently well, which makes it such a frustrating team to follow whenever Flash can't be a winner's league one man army. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On January 24 2011 23:29 POWEROUTAGE wrote: Flash has consistently shown better play though, and it hasn't just been this month that JD has played awfully (for the standards that he has set). Of course Flash would have more benefit of the doubt, Flash has so far shown that him losing those 3 games were an anomaly and his level of play didn't drop after that; he was still in godmode. And yes, based on his achievements, we have reason to believe that that was just an accident. Whereas JD's play has been "bad" (again, by his standards) for 2 months straight. It is just being consistent. If benefit of the doubt was such a huge factor, Flash would've still been #1 in PR imo, like when Savior was still the top dog even after being 3-0ed by bisu. I'm not arguing that this isn't true or that JD should be higher, just that Flash DOES get the benefit of the doubt despite the claim that he doesn't. By no means is JD doing better. | ||
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