EPTPower Rank 01/01/2011 - Page 12
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On January 03 2011 02:09 oneofthem wrote: that's not true at all. power rank should indeed weigh recent performance more, so volatility is still there because players fall in and out of form quite often. flash is a special case because his strength is rather far away from everyone else. if he goes from .750 to .600, it may still be the highest rating. of course, if flash does indeed slump or decline hard enough, then he won't be having the highest expected wins. suppose you are a betting man. do you bet according to this power rankings? i'd think not. I would. No point in betting on flash if hes not in the msl or osl. | ||
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TaimalaiX
Canada88 Posts
On January 05 2011 04:24 MuffinDude wrote: I would. No point in betting on flash if hes not in the msl or osl. I'm quite certain he means if you were betting on the winners of a given series/game between the people on the PR, but cute trolling. | ||
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ppgButtercup
United States159 Posts
2. Bisu 3. Jaedong 4. Flash 5. Kal 6. Hydra 7. Inter.Calm 8. Shine[Kal] 9. by.great 10. Mind Fixed. | ||
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kamizushi
Canada52 Posts
On January 05 2011 07:41 TaimalaiX wrote: I'm quite certain he means if you were betting on the winners of a given series/game between the people on the PR, but cute trolling. Yes and from a korean point of view, a PL game is more important then a game from individual leagues which would place Jeadong and Flash before Kal. | ||
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luckybeni2
Germany1065 Posts
On January 05 2011 10:07 kamizushi wrote: Yes and from a korean point of view, a PL game is more important then a game from individual leagues which would place Jeadong and Flash before Kal. That does not have to be true. When your team goes down 4-1 or 4-2 one game won does not matter much. Kal's very mediocre record must have people wonder though if he really deserves that high rank just now. That he is higher than flash is ok in my opinion since Flash really had the worst possible month but maybe JD could have been above him. But it is also true that he lost to every single good opponent he faced and that says a lot. Btw anyone notice how many posts we have on this rank before even a single game was played | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On January 05 2011 10:07 kamizushi wrote: Yes and from a korean point of view, a PL game is more important then a game from individual leagues which would place Jeadong and Flash before Kal. Not true at all. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On January 05 2011 10:07 kamizushi wrote: Yes and from a korean point of view, a PL game is more important then a game from individual leagues which would place Jeadong and Flash before Kal. Winning a proleague game rewards one with how much money? Winning a starleague rewards one with how much money? | ||
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dani_caliKorea
730 Posts
On January 05 2011 13:13 flamewheel wrote: Winning a proleague game rewards one with how much money? Winning a starleague rewards one with how much money? but don't a lot of players place emphasis on SPL? In interviews they always talk about their focus being proleagues. Being a key player to your team matters more then going far in individual leagues. Compare Ro16 Sea and Pure during Korean Air OSL season 1 | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
(and if you can start winning in PL during WL that'd be cool too, but just the OSL would not be too bad either) | ||
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Gescom
Canada3509 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 05 2011 00:41 Holgerius wrote: I just want to point out that we didn't have that many other Terran finalists in 2010... I'm not sure how this is relevant, especially considering that Flash has been for a long time by far the most skilled terran. Just because other terrans perform a lot better during this same time, yet still not good enough to be finalists besides Fantasy, doesn't really mean the metagame didn't shift. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On January 05 2011 00:41 Holgerius wrote: I just want to point out that we didn't have that many other Terran finalists in 2010... In large part BECAUSE Flash was there... If he wasn't, there's quite a few terrans that would've made finals. Fantasy in the last MSL for one. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On January 05 2011 13:13 flamewheel wrote: Winning a proleague game rewards one with how much money? Winning a starleague rewards one with how much money? That's a stupid argument. How many players have earned enough money from tournament winnings to (consistently) make a living over that last 3 years or so? Probably just Jaedong. Maybe 2-3 other pros that have consistently made the later stages of the individual leagues. All the others can only be pros because they are paid by their teams to play in ProLeague. Sure a finals match will be taken more seriously than a PL game. A semi-finals match almost certainly will be too. But at the group stages I doubt most pros will practice anywhere near as much for those games than they do for their PL games. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 05 2011 10:07 kamizushi wrote: Yes and from a korean point of view, a PL game is more important then a game from individual leagues which would place Jeadong and Flash before Kal. It's really not. It seems that way because players will never talk in public about caring more for SL than PL. Think of it this way. Imagine you as a star player. You want to advance in the OSL. You need all your teammates to help you come up with strategies, and practice various builds with you for preparation. What do you want to say to people? A. "I want to advance further into the OSL, so I'll leave it to others to practice for the PL while I concentrate on making more money for myself" B. "I want to help my team win, and prepare for the OSL on my own time." When you work, eat, sleep, play, do everything with your team, you don't fucking throw them under the bus, even if you want to advance your own personal career. | ||
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
United States322 Posts
On January 05 2011 13:13 flamewheel wrote: Winning a proleague game rewards one with how much money? Winning a starleague rewards one with how much money? This is characteristically simplistic. Winning a Starleague means winning how many games, and against increasingly good players? Winning those same games in Proleague, and thus being a dependable player for your team, could lead to a higher contracted salary, better privileges in the team's practice house, better perks from the sponsor, higher team morale and respect, and a boost personally to self-esteem from being a valuable contributor to the people that you practice and live with. Not taking the interviewees at face value as to their own ambition for personal glory in individual leagues is fine, but don't say that Proleague games are wholly insignificant to the players in comparison. HiyA may be doing swell in the individuals, but every interview is riddled with guilt for letting his team down at the same time. If a player says that they think Proleague is more important to them in an interview, I wouldn't hurriedly disregard it with a knowing smile. Maybe it is. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On January 05 2011 13:44 baubo wrote: I'm not sure how this is relevant, especially considering that Flash has been for a long time by far the most skilled terran. Just because other terrans perform a lot better during this same time, yet still not good enough to be finalists besides Fantasy, doesn't really mean the metagame didn't shift. In fact there weren't many finalists in 2010 period. Flash was the only Terran. Movie was the only Protoss (and that was just one finals that he lost pretty badly on top of that). There were two Zerg finalists, Jaedong and EffOrt, but even if you combine their golds they only won half as many as Flash. Out of a total of 12 finalists there were only 4 different people involved. | ||
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Xinliben
United States931 Posts
zerg have never had the same dominance. It's been pretty much Jaedong. Sometimes with Effort, once in a while Luxury There have been a few eras of zerg dominance. Someday zerg will find a new savior, besides the dong. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Though it could just be a proper mini-slump. Hopefully that's just it. He still has most of his skill, just not the judgment to succeed. | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
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