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On September 04 2010 23:37 endy wrote:
we seriously need a new PR !
and don't wait until Sept 11th, because if JD wins 3-2, it's gonna be a real shitstorm to determine who deserves #1. And I would hate that we use WCG finals to come to a decision.
It would come down to how close the games are. I'd favor Flash in getting #1 if it's 3-2 either way. Unless the only 2 games Flash wins are stupid.
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If BW ends after this OSL, then wow, what a way to end it. Two amazing players, both an arm and a leg above the competition, fighting in the 4th finals in a row to see who is truly the greatest player ever. Man, it would really be something if JAedong won this. GO GO Jaedong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On September 04 2010 23:58 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 23:37 endy wrote:
we seriously need a new PR !
and don't wait until Sept 11th, because if JD wins 3-2, it's gonna be a real shitstorm to determine who deserves #1. And I would hate that we use WCG finals to come to a decision. Exactly. Both JD and Flash have said that they consider this OSL final to be the most important one in their careers. JD is going prepare as if his life depended on it, because if he doesn't win Flash has pretty much officially won BW. If the BW scene is indeed going to die I wouldn't want the last #1 on the PR to be controversial which it would be whoever is there if JD won. Is Flash going to be #2 based on losing a meaningless series that both players said they didn't prepare for while winning PL and going 1-1 vs JD in Starleague finals? They would be so close it would be impossible to separate them. Controversy can be fun, but it's just pointless to do this IMO. And if the scene goes on, why would we all of a sudden skip a month (or make a PR based on literally 0 games)? We have plenty of games to decide who's #1 for a September PR (Flash won both PL and MSL vs the only one who could possibly take his place) that should be released now, and then we would have the OSL finals to decide who's #1 in the October PR. Simple and fair. But sure, if you're a Flash anti-fan it's probably really fun to see him getting robbed of a month at the top.
The PR isn't simply about the top two. With virtually no games being played in September, I don't see a particular need for another PR since the matches will say nothing about #2-10. The OSL results would send a clear message to who is top dog and who is runner-up.
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On September 05 2010 00:32 guoguo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 23:58 Holgerius wrote:On September 04 2010 23:37 endy wrote:
we seriously need a new PR !
and don't wait until Sept 11th, because if JD wins 3-2, it's gonna be a real shitstorm to determine who deserves #1. And I would hate that we use WCG finals to come to a decision. Exactly. Both JD and Flash have said that they consider this OSL final to be the most important one in their careers. JD is going prepare as if his life depended on it, because if he doesn't win Flash has pretty much officially won BW. If the BW scene is indeed going to die I wouldn't want the last #1 on the PR to be controversial which it would be whoever is there if JD won. Is Flash going to be #2 based on losing a meaningless series that both players said they didn't prepare for while winning PL and going 1-1 vs JD in Starleague finals? They would be so close it would be impossible to separate them. Controversy can be fun, but it's just pointless to do this IMO. And if the scene goes on, why would we all of a sudden skip a month (or make a PR based on literally 0 games)? We have plenty of games to decide who's #1 for a September PR (Flash won both PL and MSL vs the only one who could possibly take his place) that should be released now, and then we would have the OSL finals to decide who's #1 in the October PR. Simple and fair. But sure, if you're a Flash anti-fan it's probably really fun to see him getting robbed of a month at the top. The PR isn't simply about the top two. With virtually no games being played in September, I don't see a particular need for another PR since the matches will say nothing about #2-10. The OSL results would send a clear message to who is top dog and who is runner-up.
Except it wouldn't be clear at all when you to heavily weigh in what happened in the last month, which is what would happen if we delayed the PR. Once again, if JD wins they would be 1-1 vs each other in Bo5's with only a meaningless Bo3 and the fact that Flash also won a game in the PL finals to separate them. That's all. That does not seem like the most fair way to do it IMO. And what's so fucking bad about having everyone else in the same spot for a month, what's the harm in that?
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As a matter of fact, considering how hard JD and Flash dominate the scene at the moment they deserve to have a PR that revolves completely around them alone.
I really don't see the problem with doing it this way.
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On September 05 2010 00:43 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 00:32 guoguo wrote:On September 04 2010 23:58 Holgerius wrote:On September 04 2010 23:37 endy wrote:
we seriously need a new PR !
and don't wait until Sept 11th, because if JD wins 3-2, it's gonna be a real shitstorm to determine who deserves #1. And I would hate that we use WCG finals to come to a decision. Exactly. Both JD and Flash have said that they consider this OSL final to be the most important one in their careers. JD is going prepare as if his life depended on it, because if he doesn't win Flash has pretty much officially won BW. If the BW scene is indeed going to die I wouldn't want the last #1 on the PR to be controversial which it would be whoever is there if JD won. Is Flash going to be #2 based on losing a meaningless series that both players said they didn't prepare for while winning PL and going 1-1 vs JD in Starleague finals? They would be so close it would be impossible to separate them. Controversy can be fun, but it's just pointless to do this IMO. And if the scene goes on, why would we all of a sudden skip a month (or make a PR based on literally 0 games)? We have plenty of games to decide who's #1 for a September PR (Flash won both PL and MSL vs the only one who could possibly take his place) that should be released now, and then we would have the OSL finals to decide who's #1 in the October PR. Simple and fair. But sure, if you're a Flash anti-fan it's probably really fun to see him getting robbed of a month at the top. The PR isn't simply about the top two. With virtually no games being played in September, I don't see a particular need for another PR since the matches will say nothing about #2-10. The OSL results would send a clear message to who is top dog and who is runner-up. Except it wouldn't be clear at all when you to heavily weigh in what happened in the last month, which is what would happen if we delayed the PR. Once again, if JD wins they would be 1-1 vs each other in Bo5's with only a meaningless Bo3 and the fact that Flash also won a game in the PL finals to separate them. That's all. That does not seem like the most fair way to do it IMO. And what's so fucking bad about having everyone else in the same spot for a month, what's the harm in that?
Because it would be a horrible power rank? *here let me just copy and paste everything I wrote last month for everyone but Jaedong and Flash* That isn't really responsible. I don't see the problem with delaying a few weeks and producing much better discussion. And I don't think anyone will argue August is Flash's month, so really you can stop pulling your hair out because you have to potentially wait 6 more days to see Flash's name move up a place.
Like many people have said in the last few months, this isn't a monthly power rank, but a power rank that is released monthly. It wouldn't be a disservice to everything Flash accomplished in the last month and half if he lost to Jaedong and ended up being #2. Everyone knows what Flash did, but the difference between these two progamers is so incredibly small, the one who plays better over the other should be #1.
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On September 05 2010 00:55 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 00:43 Holgerius wrote:On September 05 2010 00:32 guoguo wrote:On September 04 2010 23:58 Holgerius wrote:On September 04 2010 23:37 endy wrote:
we seriously need a new PR !
and don't wait until Sept 11th, because if JD wins 3-2, it's gonna be a real shitstorm to determine who deserves #1. And I would hate that we use WCG finals to come to a decision. Exactly. Both JD and Flash have said that they consider this OSL final to be the most important one in their careers. JD is going prepare as if his life depended on it, because if he doesn't win Flash has pretty much officially won BW. If the BW scene is indeed going to die I wouldn't want the last #1 on the PR to be controversial which it would be whoever is there if JD won. Is Flash going to be #2 based on losing a meaningless series that both players said they didn't prepare for while winning PL and going 1-1 vs JD in Starleague finals? They would be so close it would be impossible to separate them. Controversy can be fun, but it's just pointless to do this IMO. And if the scene goes on, why would we all of a sudden skip a month (or make a PR based on literally 0 games)? We have plenty of games to decide who's #1 for a September PR (Flash won both PL and MSL vs the only one who could possibly take his place) that should be released now, and then we would have the OSL finals to decide who's #1 in the October PR. Simple and fair. But sure, if you're a Flash anti-fan it's probably really fun to see him getting robbed of a month at the top. The PR isn't simply about the top two. With virtually no games being played in September, I don't see a particular need for another PR since the matches will say nothing about #2-10. The OSL results would send a clear message to who is top dog and who is runner-up. Except it wouldn't be clear at all when you to heavily weigh in what happened in the last month, which is what would happen if we delayed the PR. Once again, if JD wins they would be 1-1 vs each other in Bo5's with only a meaningless Bo3 and the fact that Flash also won a game in the PL finals to separate them. That's all. That does not seem like the most fair way to do it IMO. And what's so fucking bad about having everyone else in the same spot for a month, what's the harm in that? Because it would be a horrible power rank? *here let me just copy and paste everything I wrote last month for everyone but Jaedong and Flash* That isn't really responsible. I don't see the problem with delaying a few weeks and producing much better discussion. And I don't think anyone will argue August is Flash's month, so really you can stop pulling your hair out because you have to potentially wait 6 more days to see Flash's name move up a place. Like many people have said in the last few months, this isn't a monthly power rank, but a power rank that is released monthly. It wouldn't be a disservice to everything Flash accomplished in the last month and half if he lost to Jaedong and ended up being #2. Everyone knows what Flash did, but the difference between these two progamers is so incredibly small, the one who plays better over the other should be #1.
Well we didn't have NOTHING. I mean we had all of the STX masters cup, the fucking proleague playoffs, and Ro8s in the OSL and MSL, and WCG games. Still plenty to judge outside of Flash and JAedong
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On September 05 2010 00:32 guoguo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2010 23:58 Holgerius wrote:On September 04 2010 23:37 endy wrote:
we seriously need a new PR !
and don't wait until Sept 11th, because if JD wins 3-2, it's gonna be a real shitstorm to determine who deserves #1. And I would hate that we use WCG finals to come to a decision. Exactly. Both JD and Flash have said that they consider this OSL final to be the most important one in their careers. JD is going prepare as if his life depended on it, because if he doesn't win Flash has pretty much officially won BW. If the BW scene is indeed going to die I wouldn't want the last #1 on the PR to be controversial which it would be whoever is there if JD won. Is Flash going to be #2 based on losing a meaningless series that both players said they didn't prepare for while winning PL and going 1-1 vs JD in Starleague finals? They would be so close it would be impossible to separate them. Controversy can be fun, but it's just pointless to do this IMO. And if the scene goes on, why would we all of a sudden skip a month (or make a PR based on literally 0 games)? We have plenty of games to decide who's #1 for a September PR (Flash won both PL and MSL vs the only one who could possibly take his place) that should be released now, and then we would have the OSL finals to decide who's #1 in the October PR. Simple and fair. But sure, if you're a Flash anti-fan it's probably really fun to see him getting robbed of a month at the top. The PR isn't simply about the top two. With virtually no games being played in September, I don't see a particular need for another PR since the matches will say nothing about #2-10. The OSL results would send a clear message to who is top dog and who is runner-up.
This PR is for august, and there was still quite a lot going on in August
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hahah looking forward to the next PR 
should be quite interesting if jd wins osl
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I think that everybody can agree that Fantasy is #3, right?
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On September 05 2010 01:18 dukethegold wrote:
I think that everybody can agree that Fantasy is #3, right?
Aye. That's pretty much uncontested too, everyone else is a bit worse than him.
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I still can't believe people think JD should be first even if he wins the OSL.
Flash has simply been too dominant for too long to be able to say that. If JD wins (assuming it's not a slaughter), that means they're tied in head-to-head series and individual leagues this season. Which means recent history should be the tiebreaker. And Flash has had a run of dominance that has been unheard of before.
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On September 05 2010 02:25 theonemephisto wrote:
I still can't believe people think JD should be first even if he wins the OSL.
Flash has simply been too dominant for too long to be able to say that. If JD wins (assuming it's not a slaughter), that means they're tied in head-to-head series and individual leagues this season. Which means recent history should be the tiebreaker. And Flash has had a run of dominance that has been unheard of before.
The most recent history outside of what is directly relevant for Flash is him losing a bunch of games he shouldn't have, and even that is over two months ago. You'd have to go back more than 3 months in order to give Flash an edge in that regard, far to much for a ranking released monthly. And based on Jaedong's and Flash's performances from august and onward I don't think it is unreasonable to put Jaedong at #1 if he wins the OSL, though likewise it wouldn't be unreasonable for him not to be #1 even if he wins either, depending on how the games look.
In all seriousness I think they should share the #1 as LeeSsang if Jaedong does win, and every other raking should be based on who is the least far away from them currently.
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On September 05 2010 01:12 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 00:55 setzer wrote:On September 05 2010 00:43 Holgerius wrote:On September 05 2010 00:32 guoguo wrote:On September 04 2010 23:58 Holgerius wrote:On September 04 2010 23:37 endy wrote:
we seriously need a new PR !
and don't wait until Sept 11th, because if JD wins 3-2, it's gonna be a real shitstorm to determine who deserves #1. And I would hate that we use WCG finals to come to a decision. Exactly. Both JD and Flash have said that they consider this OSL final to be the most important one in their careers. JD is going prepare as if his life depended on it, because if he doesn't win Flash has pretty much officially won BW. If the BW scene is indeed going to die I wouldn't want the last #1 on the PR to be controversial which it would be whoever is there if JD won. Is Flash going to be #2 based on losing a meaningless series that both players said they didn't prepare for while winning PL and going 1-1 vs JD in Starleague finals? They would be so close it would be impossible to separate them. Controversy can be fun, but it's just pointless to do this IMO. And if the scene goes on, why would we all of a sudden skip a month (or make a PR based on literally 0 games)? We have plenty of games to decide who's #1 for a September PR (Flash won both PL and MSL vs the only one who could possibly take his place) that should be released now, and then we would have the OSL finals to decide who's #1 in the October PR. Simple and fair. But sure, if you're a Flash anti-fan it's probably really fun to see him getting robbed of a month at the top. The PR isn't simply about the top two. With virtually no games being played in September, I don't see a particular need for another PR since the matches will say nothing about #2-10. The OSL results would send a clear message to who is top dog and who is runner-up. Except it wouldn't be clear at all when you to heavily weigh in what happened in the last month, which is what would happen if we delayed the PR. Once again, if JD wins they would be 1-1 vs each other in Bo5's with only a meaningless Bo3 and the fact that Flash also won a game in the PL finals to separate them. That's all. That does not seem like the most fair way to do it IMO. And what's so fucking bad about having everyone else in the same spot for a month, what's the harm in that? Because it would be a horrible power rank? *here let me just copy and paste everything I wrote last month for everyone but Jaedong and Flash* That isn't really responsible. I don't see the problem with delaying a few weeks and producing much better discussion. And I don't think anyone will argue August is Flash's month, so really you can stop pulling your hair out because you have to potentially wait 6 more days to see Flash's name move up a place. Like many people have said in the last few months, this isn't a monthly power rank, but a power rank that is released monthly. It wouldn't be a disservice to everything Flash accomplished in the last month and half if he lost to Jaedong and ended up being #2. Everyone knows what Flash did, but the difference between these two progamers is so incredibly small, the one who plays better over the other should be #1. Well we didn't have NOTHING. I mean we had all of the STX masters cup, the fucking proleague playoffs, and Ro8s in the OSL and MSL, and WCG games. Still plenty to judge outside of Flash and JAedong
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When did I say those games never mattered? Unless Plexa was having to use those games as a tiebreaker between Flash and Jaedong I don't see why they would factor all that much when those two will have three series of head-to-head battles. For everyone else, yeah.
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Argh. When's the next PR? I've been checking everyday. My boy, Flash, is gonna rank up. I can feel it.
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On September 05 2010 06:23 KevinIX wrote:
Argh. When's the next PR? I've been checking everyday. My boy, Flash, is gonna rank up. I can feel it.
After OSL finals.
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eagerly awaiting the new PR
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I thought plexa was making the power rank after flash vs free? would kinda make sense it it was after the finals tho, since there isn't anything going on in september.
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On September 05 2010 01:12 SubtleArt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 00:55 setzer wrote:On September 05 2010 00:43 Holgerius wrote:On September 05 2010 00:32 guoguo wrote:On September 04 2010 23:58 Holgerius wrote:On September 04 2010 23:37 endy wrote:
we seriously need a new PR !
and don't wait until Sept 11th, because if JD wins 3-2, it's gonna be a real shitstorm to determine who deserves #1. And I would hate that we use WCG finals to come to a decision. Exactly. Both JD and Flash have said that they consider this OSL final to be the most important one in their careers. JD is going prepare as if his life depended on it, because if he doesn't win Flash has pretty much officially won BW. If the BW scene is indeed going to die I wouldn't want the last #1 on the PR to be controversial which it would be whoever is there if JD won. Is Flash going to be #2 based on losing a meaningless series that both players said they didn't prepare for while winning PL and going 1-1 vs JD in Starleague finals? They would be so close it would be impossible to separate them. Controversy can be fun, but it's just pointless to do this IMO. And if the scene goes on, why would we all of a sudden skip a month (or make a PR based on literally 0 games)? We have plenty of games to decide who's #1 for a September PR (Flash won both PL and MSL vs the only one who could possibly take his place) that should be released now, and then we would have the OSL finals to decide who's #1 in the October PR. Simple and fair. But sure, if you're a Flash anti-fan it's probably really fun to see him getting robbed of a month at the top. The PR isn't simply about the top two. With virtually no games being played in September, I don't see a particular need for another PR since the matches will say nothing about #2-10. The OSL results would send a clear message to who is top dog and who is runner-up. Except it wouldn't be clear at all when you to heavily weigh in what happened in the last month, which is what would happen if we delayed the PR. Once again, if JD wins they would be 1-1 vs each other in Bo5's with only a meaningless Bo3 and the fact that Flash also won a game in the PL finals to separate them. That's all. That does not seem like the most fair way to do it IMO. And what's so fucking bad about having everyone else in the same spot for a month, what's the harm in that? Because it would be a horrible power rank? *here let me just copy and paste everything I wrote last month for everyone but Jaedong and Flash* That isn't really responsible. I don't see the problem with delaying a few weeks and producing much better discussion. And I don't think anyone will argue August is Flash's month, so really you can stop pulling your hair out because you have to potentially wait 6 more days to see Flash's name move up a place. Like many people have said in the last few months, this isn't a monthly power rank, but a power rank that is released monthly. It wouldn't be a disservice to everything Flash accomplished in the last month and half if he lost to Jaedong and ended up being #2. Everyone knows what Flash did, but the difference between these two progamers is so incredibly small, the one who plays better over the other should be #1. Well we didn't have NOTHING. I mean we had all of the STX masters cup, the fucking proleague playoffs, and Ro8s in the OSL and MSL, and WCG games. Still plenty to judge outside of Flash and JAedong
All played in August.
If PR is released today then released again a month from now, today's power rank would include a lot of games, yeah, but next month's ranking would include at most 5 games. Because that's all there is on the schedule for the month of September.
Learn the virtue of patience. Less than one week and then that's it, no more Broodwar until October (assuming things are still running, and a big "Fuck you" to Blizzard and Gretech if they aren't).
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On September 05 2010 12:26 Mortality wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2010 01:12 SubtleArt wrote:On September 05 2010 00:55 setzer wrote:On September 05 2010 00:43 Holgerius wrote:On September 05 2010 00:32 guoguo wrote:On September 04 2010 23:58 Holgerius wrote:On September 04 2010 23:37 endy wrote:
we seriously need a new PR !
and don't wait until Sept 11th, because if JD wins 3-2, it's gonna be a real shitstorm to determine who deserves #1. And I would hate that we use WCG finals to come to a decision. Exactly. Both JD and Flash have said that they consider this OSL final to be the most important one in their careers. JD is going prepare as if his life depended on it, because if he doesn't win Flash has pretty much officially won BW. If the BW scene is indeed going to die I wouldn't want the last #1 on the PR to be controversial which it would be whoever is there if JD won. Is Flash going to be #2 based on losing a meaningless series that both players said they didn't prepare for while winning PL and going 1-1 vs JD in Starleague finals? They would be so close it would be impossible to separate them. Controversy can be fun, but it's just pointless to do this IMO. And if the scene goes on, why would we all of a sudden skip a month (or make a PR based on literally 0 games)? We have plenty of games to decide who's #1 for a September PR (Flash won both PL and MSL vs the only one who could possibly take his place) that should be released now, and then we would have the OSL finals to decide who's #1 in the October PR. Simple and fair. But sure, if you're a Flash anti-fan it's probably really fun to see him getting robbed of a month at the top. The PR isn't simply about the top two. With virtually no games being played in September, I don't see a particular need for another PR since the matches will say nothing about #2-10. The OSL results would send a clear message to who is top dog and who is runner-up. Except it wouldn't be clear at all when you to heavily weigh in what happened in the last month, which is what would happen if we delayed the PR. Once again, if JD wins they would be 1-1 vs each other in Bo5's with only a meaningless Bo3 and the fact that Flash also won a game in the PL finals to separate them. That's all. That does not seem like the most fair way to do it IMO. And what's so fucking bad about having everyone else in the same spot for a month, what's the harm in that? Because it would be a horrible power rank? *here let me just copy and paste everything I wrote last month for everyone but Jaedong and Flash* That isn't really responsible. I don't see the problem with delaying a few weeks and producing much better discussion. And I don't think anyone will argue August is Flash's month, so really you can stop pulling your hair out because you have to potentially wait 6 more days to see Flash's name move up a place. Like many people have said in the last few months, this isn't a monthly power rank, but a power rank that is released monthly. It wouldn't be a disservice to everything Flash accomplished in the last month and half if he lost to Jaedong and ended up being #2. Everyone knows what Flash did, but the difference between these two progamers is so incredibly small, the one who plays better over the other should be #1. Well we didn't have NOTHING. I mean we had all of the STX masters cup, the fucking proleague playoffs, and Ro8s in the OSL and MSL, and WCG games. Still plenty to judge outside of Flash and JAedong All played in August. If PR is released today then released again a month from now, today's power rank would include a lot of games, yeah, but next month's ranking would include at most 5 games. Because that's all there is on the schedule for the month of September. Learn the virtue of patience. Less than one week and then that's it, no more Broodwar until October (assuming things are still running, and a big "Fuck you" to Blizzard and Gretech if they aren't).
won't they play at WCG?
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