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o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
September 05 2010 06:26 GMT
#981
i'm not sure it's been mentioned but it's not just that flash and jaedong both made all three finals - they did it through a very difficult field, including the second-best zerg (effort), the second- (twice), third-, and fourth- (twice) best terrans (fantasy, sea, light), and three of the five best protoss (stork, free, kal). the individual tournaments were incredibly stacked this time around and yet somehow flash and jaedong made it through to all three finals. the fact that flash won proleague, has already beaten jaedong in the msl, and is in his third straight dual finals gives him the edge, in my view, but jaedong getting a fourth osl title is insane to think about. either way it's amazing how untouchable these two are.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 05 2010 08:04 GMT
#982
Guys just think of this as Jaedongs free #1 month like in July I believe where Flash was #1 even though Jaedong was tearing it up and Flash was on a slump .

When I think of something else, something will go here
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
September 05 2010 12:30 GMT
#983
On September 05 2010 17:04 blade55555 wrote:
Guys just think of this as Jaedongs free #1 month like in July I believe where Flash was #1 even though Jaedong was tearing it up and Flash was on a slump .



Actually August was JD's free #1 month. As far as I know almost everyone agrees that #1 August and #1 July should just have been the other way around. July #1 Jaedong, August #1 Flash

"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
kamizushi
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada52 Posts
September 05 2010 12:35 GMT
#984
On September 05 2010 17:04 blade55555 wrote:
Guys just think of this as Jaedongs free #1 month like in July I believe where Flash was #1 even though Jaedong was tearing it up and Flash was on a slump .


Being in a slump means that a very good player suddenly start loosing almost all his game for a good period of time. This never happened to Flash.

For an actual example of what a slump looks like, look at Calm's record between may 20th and Jully.

Thank you.
Hey
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 05 2010 13:31 GMT
#985
On September 05 2010 21:35 kamizushi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 17:04 blade55555 wrote:
Guys just think of this as Jaedongs free #1 month like in July I believe where Flash was #1 even though Jaedong was tearing it up and Flash was on a slump .


Being in a slump means that a very good player suddenly start loosing almost all his game for a good period of time. This never happened to Flash.

For an actual example of what a slump looks like, look at Calm's record between may 20th and Jully.

Thank you.


Almost 50/50 win rate for 3 weeks, and losing 7 ace matches in a row.

Thank you.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
September 05 2010 14:31 GMT
#986
50/50 win CANT BE A SLUMP
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
p14c
Profile Joined May 2010
Vatican City State431 Posts
September 05 2010 15:12 GMT
#987
On September 05 2010 23:31 Grend wrote:
50/50 win CANT BE A SLUMP

For Flash it is. Even in his first year of televised matches his win ratio was way higher.
Game Over, Man! Game Over!
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
September 05 2010 15:30 GMT
#988
On September 05 2010 22:31 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 21:35 kamizushi wrote:
On September 05 2010 17:04 blade55555 wrote:
Guys just think of this as Jaedongs free #1 month like in July I believe where Flash was #1 even though Jaedong was tearing it up and Flash was on a slump .


Being in a slump means that a very good player suddenly start loosing almost all his game for a good period of time. This never happened to Flash.

For an actual example of what a slump looks like, look at Calm's record between may 20th and Jully.

Thank you.


Almost 50/50 win rate for 3 weeks, and losing 7 ace matches in a row.

Thank you.


2 months actually.
bluetrolls
Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
September 05 2010 16:40 GMT
#989
2009: Flash is really good and thrashes scrubs, but loses when it counts.
2010: Flash wins when it counts, but loses too many games to scrubs.

Flash anti-fans will never be happy.
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
September 05 2010 16:59 GMT
#990
On September 06 2010 01:40 bluetrolls wrote:
2009: Flash is really good and thrashes scrubs, but loses when it counts.
2010: Flash wins when it counts, but loses too many games to scrubs.


Flash anti-fans will never be happy.


Nobody is saying that.
bluetrolls
Profile Joined October 2009
United States139 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 18:43:17
September 05 2010 18:41 GMT
#991
On September 06 2010 01:59 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:40 bluetrolls wrote:
2009: Flash is really good and thrashes scrubs, but loses when it counts.
2010: Flash wins when it counts, but loses too many games to scrubs.


Flash anti-fans will never be happy.


Nobody is saying that.


Almost 50/50 win rate for 3 weeks, and losing 7 ace matches in a row.


2010: Flash wins when it counts (PL championship), but loses too many games to scrubs (ace maces that have no relevance to the PL championship).

I feel like a lot of the anti-Flash argumentation on TL grasps at straws, like saying that Usain Bolt sucks if he slows down in the last 20 meters because he is already 10 meters ahead of his next competitor and he has already won half the races in the season while establishing world record (ELO peak) after world record. Please, it's getting really tiring to listen to all this whine. Get more positive, root for Jaedong, the other great player, but please stop trying to put Flash down because he is not the perfect invincible Starcraft machine. He's not, he's human like all of us. He is just the strongest Starcraft player at the moment, and arguably the strongest of all time.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
September 05 2010 19:23 GMT
#992
On September 05 2010 21:35 kamizushi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2010 17:04 blade55555 wrote:
Guys just think of this as Jaedongs free #1 month like in July I believe where Flash was #1 even though Jaedong was tearing it up and Flash was on a slump .


Being in a slump means that a very good player suddenly start loosing almost all his game for a good period of time. This never happened to Flash.

For an actual example of what a slump looks like, look at Calm's record between may 20th and Jully.

Thank you.


I meant to say Mini slump even flash himself said it.
When I think of something else, something will go here
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
September 05 2010 19:37 GMT
#993
On September 06 2010 01:40 bluetrolls wrote:
2009: Flash is really good and thrashes scrubs, but loses when it counts.
2010: Flash wins when it counts, but loses too many games to scrubs.

Flash anti-fans will never be happy.


He lost 7 ace matches in a row, and if it wasn't for STX's sudden slump KT would have lost 1st place, and with it a free trip to the finals. That's not winning when it counts. During those weeks he slumped, live with it. The best player in the world going 50/50 for over a month and letting his team down that many means he wasn't playing as well as he should have been, which is what a slump is.

I'm not an anti flash fan, I don't really care, but it seems a lot of flash fans are also pretty delusional.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Fumi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
529 Posts
September 05 2010 19:43 GMT
#994
Why does a slump have to last a long time? It was a short slump, that's all.
Flash, Stats, Reach, Tossgirl <> Boxer, Nestea, MC, Foxer fangirl | http://osu.ppy.sh/u/181432
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
September 05 2010 19:55 GMT
#995
On September 06 2010 03:41 bluetrolls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:59 Cpadolf wrote:
On September 06 2010 01:40 bluetrolls wrote:
2009: Flash is really good and thrashes scrubs, but loses when it counts.
2010: Flash wins when it counts, but loses too many games to scrubs.


Flash anti-fans will never be happy.


Nobody is saying that.


Show nested quote +
Almost 50/50 win rate for 3 weeks, and losing 7 ace matches in a row.


2010: Flash wins when it counts (PL championship), but loses too many games to scrubs (ace maces that have no relevance to the PL championship).

I feel like a lot of the anti-Flash argumentation on TL grasps at straws, like saying that Usain Bolt sucks if he slows down in the last 20 meters because he is already 10 meters ahead of his next competitor and he has already won half the races in the season while establishing world record (ELO peak) after world record. Please, it's getting really tiring to listen to all this whine. Get more positive, root for Jaedong, the other great player, but please stop trying to put Flash down because he is not the perfect invincible Starcraft machine. He's not, he's human like all of us. He is just the strongest Starcraft player at the moment, and arguably the strongest of all time.


But that's only concerning a small slump he had where he did, unquestionably, lose more games than he should have. When looking over his general performance this year I challenge you to find a single anti fan delusional enough to say that Flash loses too many games against weak opponents. I would think that it is one of the more commonly agreed upon things that Flash is probably the player in the world least likely to lose against a low-mid level opponent.
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
September 05 2010 20:44 GMT
#996
STX was never close to catching up to KT. Those games were meaningless.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
September 05 2010 20:44 GMT
#997
On September 06 2010 04:37 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2010 01:40 bluetrolls wrote:
2009: Flash is really good and thrashes scrubs, but loses when it counts.
2010: Flash wins when it counts, but loses too many games to scrubs.

Flash anti-fans will never be happy.


He lost 7 ace matches in a row, and if it wasn't for STX's sudden slump KT would have lost 1st place, and with it a free trip to the finals. That's not winning when it counts. During those weeks he slumped, live with it. The best player in the world going 50/50 for over a month and letting his team down that many means he wasn't playing as well as he should have been, which is what a slump is.

I'm not an anti flash fan, I don't really care, but it seems a lot of flash fans are also pretty delusional.


You realize noone's saying Flash didn't play worse than usual. You are calling people delusional because of a disagreement over semantics.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 21:35:06
September 05 2010 21:34 GMT
#998
On September 06 2010 05:44 SimonB wrote:
STX was never close to catching up to KT. Those games were meaningless.


I dunno how you define close, but at one point there was a 2 game differential with 8-9 games left to be played (this was after Flash's 2nd Ace game loss), and STX had gone 9-2 the previous round while KT ended up going 5-6 in R5.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4722 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 22:26:06
September 05 2010 22:25 GMT
#999
It doesn't even matter if those games were meaningless or not. KT sent out their ace-player several time in a row, this ace-player tried to win those games but he didn't and after some loses he wasn't able to smile those away.

Instead of dismissing those games as meaningless (and as Cpadolf pointed out, it could easily have been different) you should focus on how the 2010 Flash came back and crushed everything in his path again. The 2009 Flash would probably have been depressed and dropped out of at least one league in the process. This losing streak maybe shows more about the player Flash has become than his ridiculous winning streaks. When you are "on" and you are blessed with Flashs natural talent, winning becomes rather easy the more you win and the better you feel about yourself. From Flashs interviews during the last 2 years you should know that Flash could never take it lightly to let his team down a couple times in a row, no matter how comfortable the circumstances were.

I actually cannot believe we are arguing those games again and I'm taking part in it -.-
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-05 22:34:38
September 05 2010 22:33 GMT
#1000
I thought plexa was supposed to do a new pr after semifinals. Did he change it to after OSL finals?

What I'm really sad about though is how Bisu is performing as of late. I mean, I thought he was actually going to make a comeback and then he just goes back to his normal self, albeit slightly higher.
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